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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 06:15 PM Mar 2015

Why the backlash against Indiana and not other states with similar laws? Timing.

By Philip Bump March 29 at 2:01 PM

Gov. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) can't seem to figure out why his state has been the focus of condemnation and boycotts after having passed a version of "religious freedom" legislation that already exists in 19 other states. Pointing out those states, Pence told a reporter from the Indianapolis Star, "I just can't account for the hostility that's been directed at our state."

We can. Pence's problem is that the 19 other laws were largely passed well before the recent and dramatic swing toward support for gay marriage — and after a similar bill was vetoed by the Republican governor of Arizona.



In 2011, support for same-sex marriage passed 50 percent in Gallup polling, the same year that New York's legislature passed a law allowing marriage in that state. New York was still at the front end of the wave of states approving gay marriage; to that point, the trend had mostly been the opposite. When the federal government passed the Religious Freedom Restoration Act in 1993, a bill that made the same accommodations that are seen in Indiana's bill, a number of states echoed it. By 2003, 12 of the 19 states to which Pence referred had RFRA-like bills on the books. By the time the Supreme Court weighed in on two key gay marriage questions in June 2013, the total was 18 — only Mississippi had yet to pass its similar law.

Shortly before Mississippi's measure was passed, a national outcry arose over a bill that passed the legislature of Arizona. Ultimately, then-Gov. Jan Brewer (R) rejected that measure, after weeks of boycott threats from organizations and corporations concerned about being seen as friendly to a state that allowed businesses to deny service to gay couples.

Pence and the Indiana legislature did something similar to what those 19 states had done, but in a moment that included more scrutiny on gay issues and after public opinion had shifted away from blocking the rights of gay couples. Whether or not boycotts and outrage will extend to the other 19 states remains to be seen, but, by planting its stake in the ground at this moment, it's obvious why Indiana is already seeing such a backlash.

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Why the backlash against Indiana and not other states with similar laws? Timing. (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2015 OP
Timing AND Northernlyness PassingFair Mar 2015 #1
Also many of those other laws are not similar in that they have non-discrimination language built in Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #2
That's my understanding as well. Indiana's law is different. yardwork Mar 2015 #5
I am not buying the thesis entirely. "Similar" does not mean "same". Words matter in legislation, and the Fred Sanders Mar 2015 #3
Great article Gothmog Mar 2015 #4

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
1. Timing AND Northernlyness
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 06:27 PM
Mar 2015

It appears to be the only northern state to legislate discrimination since Mass. made
same-sex marriage legal.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
2. Also many of those other laws are not similar in that they have non-discrimination language built in
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 06:31 PM
Mar 2015

or passed concurrently. Some even specifically state 'this does not mean you can discriminate against groups of people including LGBT'. Indiana has no such language. Discrimination is allowed.
To say there are 19 similar laws is really so inaccurate as to be untrue.

yardwork

(61,607 posts)
5. That's my understanding as well. Indiana's law is different.
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 08:35 PM
Mar 2015

Indiana's law appears to be a direct response to the legalization of same-sex marriage there and elsewhere. It stinks of vengeance.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. I am not buying the thesis entirely. "Similar" does not mean "same". Words matter in legislation, and the
Sun Mar 29, 2015, 08:17 PM
Mar 2015

Indiana legislation is the SAME as Arkansas and Georgia where the language is tweeked to very broadly define "religious belief" and tweeks the standards of proof and burden.....not to mention the timing of the NCAA March Madness.

This is the religious equivalent of the Castle Doctrine, but the castle is a religion.

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