I'm sorry but I have to say this

[NET]

I know I'm the new member here and will be told to shut up
but I can't understand all the bashing about our best chance of keeping the White House

Hillary will make a great President

[JaneyVee]

1. K&R! She will make a great president.

[NancyDL]

47. I disagree. Hillary Clinton is a candidate but has not been nominated...

Once she has been nominated, IF she is nominated, party discipline should kick in. Lack of party discipline is a major factor in why the Democrats are in the fix they're in today.

[JaneyVee]

50. What fix are they in?

[frylock]

2. look a little closer..

people have been very articulate in voicing their concerns over a Clinton presidency.

[H2O Man]

3. Recommended!

What do you like the best about Hillary Clinton? What do you think will be her most important actions taken as President?

Thanks!
H2O Man

[NET]

6. I think she will be a champion for women's rights , children and adults who live in poverty

I think she will be great statesman with every leader in the world.

[H2O Man]

9. Very good.

I think that, if anyone can, she might be able to get "single payer" a reality.

[NET]

11. Yes she would be the one to do it

[annabanana]

34. Her support of a single payer plan during the primaries of '08

was why I supported her first.

I was "ok" with either Obama or Hillary as a candidate.

[NancyDL]

52. I totally agree. She has a better grasp of single payer than anyone in the party.

BUT, if you want single payer, you will have to elect a whole bunch of Democrats - and Democrats who will toe the party line on important issues - REAL Democrats. This will require lots of votes and lots of workers helping to get out the vote.

[annabanana]

79. Don't you mean WE?

kimosabe?

[abakan]

48. Do you think the republicans will...

Play better with her than they have with Obama? If I remember correctly they spent 8 years frothing at the mouth over Bill and he was a white male. They will try to minimize her at every step because she is female and we will have 8 more years of the same crap.

[Katashi_itto]

42. She will be a great Champion of TPP too. She was one of the architects of it.

[leftofcool]

4. Yes, she will.

And I think she is off to a good start with a listening tour.

[hlthe2b]

5. As a newbie, you'll have to trust those of us around long enough to have seen this before

It will eventually calm down.

Welcome to DU!

[NET]

12. okay

[hlthe2b]

13. Oh, no need to be embarrassed... I just don't want you to get discouraged.

[HassleCat]

7. Not Sure

I'm tempted to think Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren would be better, but neither of them could get elected, because the so-called liberal media would portray them as dreamy, unrealistic left-wingers. Clinton will certainly, without any doubt at all, be a better president than anyone on the Republican horizon.

[upaloopa]

8. Too bad you were not here for the 2008

primary. I think it was that point in time that this board became so uncivil. I think old wounds heal slow so there probably are Hillary antagonists from back in 2008 with a lot more shit to fling her way.
We all got behind Barack Obama when he won the nomination so I think we only have until the end if the primaries to read the anti Hillary stuff.
I do think some if her best times were when she stood her ground after the Monica thing. She was magnificent then.

[SummerSnow]

10. Well, welcome to DU and you're right!! k&R

[dirtydickcheney]

14. Based on what? (nt)

[world wide wally]

24. Her policies compared to any Republican's?

[handmade34]

15. pay no attention to the

naysayers

[Susannah Elf]

60. Thanks for saying that!

I'm also new, and I've been quite dismayed by the tone of the discussions. I was wondering if that was because people like to come to this site when they are already in a bad mood, or if reading a post or two from all the nattering nabobs of negativity riles the blood.

[OKNancy]

16. Welcome to DU

more and more Hillary supporters are speaking up.
Even some who are lukewarm are also getting tired of the irrational, over-the-top postings.

[hrmjustin]

30. Hey i like your sigline.

[OKNancy]

32. I like yours

LOL

[hrmjustin]

17. Welcome NET!

We have a diversity of opinion here and many that want a different choice than Hillary do make their case in a reasonable way. Debate is what this place is for.

Sometimes people get frustrated and it shows. Sometimes people are trolling and it shows.

But most members here who want a different choice than Hillary are good posters who make their arguments and welcome debate.

No one is perfect. I have my faults.


Welcome to DU and consider posting in the Hillary Clinton Room which is for her supporters only. http://election.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1107

[SomethingFishy]

18. I'm sure she will.. for some people...

Hopefully not the same people who keep getting left behind, over and over.

Going on 12 years without a raise. 12 years. If I lower my families quality of life any more we'll be living in our car.

[Cali_Democrat]

19. Welcome to DU

[KMOD]

20. It's a funny place, when you're new.

Welcome.

[NET]

23. You got that right

thank you everyone for the welcome

[BlueStater]

21. What makes her our best chance at keeping the White House? n/t

[NET]

27. well she's a very good speaker

who can connect with people. She has a Ton of experience in foreign policy
which is very important . Plus she already has a large base of supporters all over the country.

[BlueStater]

39. I don't think she's a good speaker.

At least, I've never been impressed with her. Not in 2007 and not now.

There are currently 44 Democratic senators and 18 Democratic governors and that's not even including the number of former senators and governors. I'm sure many of them have much better records than Hillary when it comes to progressive issues and have displayed far superior judgment to her on issues that really matter, like the IWR.

So all this stuff about her being our best candidate or the only candidate who can win is simply nonsense. The only thing she has going for her is that, for some asinine reason, practically everyone in the Democratic party is completely unwilling to challenge her. I guess she is the best candidate if she's going to be the only damn one. It's appalling to see.

[peacebird]

77. She's a good speaker when her audience is preapproved synchophants, otherwise no....

Her "ability to connect with people" is why her last book tour was cut short. Too many self inflicted wounds.

[world wide wally]

22. Shut up!

Just kidding
You are absolutely right

[Rex]

25. Well it is a small group here, while most support her or will.

I guess you just got unlucky and read certain threads that were anti-Hillary. The cries here about her being persecuted are ALMOST as bad as hearing people swear Christians are being persecuted all over America!

In what dream? The majority of DU bashing HRC...again, in what dream world does this happen? I see very little evidence of it on DU...then again, we are now into the election cycle and I expect every low down, dirty trick to be played here and a certain number of posters falling for it!

Welcome to DU!

[freshwest]

26. No bashing from me. Welcolme to DU, NET. n/t

[Autumn]

28. Any Democrat will make a great President. Please don't shut up

and don't expect anyone who doesn't support Hillary at this time to shut up.

[CK_John]

29. Without the Congress she will just be a lamb duck for another 4yrs.

[JimDandy]

44. Is a lamb duck like a turducken?

Yum!

[mountain grammy]

31. Welcome to DU

it's not bashing, it's tough love. Well, ok, some of it's bashing.

Like Will Rogers said: "I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat."

[JEB]

33. Yep, better than Ted Cruz.

[Enthusiast]

35. Shut up!

I'm kidding, NET. You are welcome to feel any way you wish about the candidates.

[Atman]

36. I have two big concerns:

First let me say, the Republicans have no intention of being civil towards any Democratic president. They feel they OWN the government, and will be mean and nasty to whomever we elect. That said, they're going to be smarting for a long time over this whole black president thing. But...but...now a WOMAN! Oh, the horror. And a woman named Clinton, no less. They impeached her husband and failed miserably. They'll be like bratty little children who don't their way. I mean, even moreso than now. I think the right will view a woman president, on the heels of that horrible black man, to be too much to handle. Governance will not get any better than it is now.

UNLESS we all get our asses out to vote, not just for Hillary (or whomever the Dem nominee) but a straight blue ticket. We need to get the obstructionist assholes out of Congress, out of the Senate, or else we'll be no better off. The GOP has no intention of going gently into the night.

[NancyDL]

57. Amen, Atman!

[DesertDiamond]

37. No need for intelligent discussion; just call those who disagree with you "bashers."

[cwydro]

38. Kick. nt

[still_one]

40. Because this is DU. Actually, if folks don't care for HRC that is fine, the problem

I think is many of the posts are just flame bait to bash Hillary, instead of push a candidate they prefer

I think of it as a cathartic experience because just bashing does very little else

[Susannah Elf]

65. Actually

I think bashing does more than blow off steam
I think it stifles debate and I am still looking for some place on the internet where the conversations are civil.

[still_one]

73. I understand then engage in other threads that encourage a

discussion

[Susannah Elf]

80. Where?

So far I haven't found any. They all degenerate into snarkiness and personal aspersions on others' intelligence.

[still_one]

81. Then you start one, and suggest that you would like it to involve a civil discussion of both sides

Since this is an open forum you will probably encounter those who won't engage, but throw out their sound bites, and continue without wishing to engage in a dialog, but you don't have to respond to those posts

[George II]

41. DUCK!!!! I agree.

[d_legendary1]

43. The differences of opinion is one of the reasons why I hang around DU

I have my opinions about Hillary but the fact remains that if she wins the nomination she will be our best shot at getting the White House. I'm with you on that!

And BTW welcome to DU!

Enjoy your stay!

[MissDeeds]

45. You are expressing your opinion

Why then would you not be tolerant when others express theirs? You believe Hillary Clinton would make a great president and claim those who voice concerns are "bashing". We all have the right to express our opinions and preferences. You need to chill out and understand this is a discussion forum.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

46. And here they come...

Just like the swallows of Capistrano...every primary season.

[murielm99]

49. Don't shut up.

If you are a new member, welcome to DU!

I have been through several primary seasons here. It is always nasty. Stick to your opinions.

Some of these people are genuinely worried about the direction of the party. Some are trolls.

Like you, I want to see Hillary elected. I will work hard for her.

[bowens43]

51. hillary would make a shitty president, if she is the best we have it's time to lose.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

55. See, here is someone who must not have anything to lose if gay people and minorities

are officially made permanent 2nd class citizens.

Otherwise they are committing suicide

[onecaliberal]

76. As a woman I'm saying we have lost enough!!!

It's not worth any man having control over my healthcare. And me. Discussing and deciding whether or not my daughters or any woman should die rather than get a c-section. Some people in this country have lost enough!!

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

53. I can explain, most Hillary bashers are white, str8t, protestant males.

Not all, but most.

These people dont fear the horrific social positions of a rightwinger because they are already privileged and so on.

They simply care about their economics and they believe that there is almost no difference between Hillary and the right on that.

They are wrong, of course.

She is gonna win, join me and others and work for her and wait for that day when you can smile at everybody you see when you say

^P^R^E^S^I^D^E^N^T

^H^I^L^L^A^R^Y

^C^L^I^N^T^O^N

[Susannah Elf]

66. I love it!

Great post and I especially enjoyed the graphic.

[workinclasszero]

72. Oh really?

Well this old white str8t male protestant just dropped a campaign contribution in the mail for Hillary today.

Admittedly a tiny one but we do what we can.

Thanks for playing

[calimary]

54. Welcome to DU, NET!

Glad you're here! No one's gonna tell you to shut up! They may argue with you but they won't tell you to shut up. It's just one of those things! You won't get any argument from me. I've admired her since I first heard about her. I remember the night Clinton won. I was so impressed that, for the first time in MY life, I had a First Lady-Elect to whom I could actually relate. We were both working moms, we were both more or less the same age. We were both committed activists. There were times when we both had bigger paychecks than our husbands did. We both had a daughter (I have a son, too but our daughter got here first). I liked her then. I still like her now. For all her faults (and she's just another fallible human being like the rest of us), ON HER WORST DAY she's lightyears better than anybody on that other side of the aisle can ever even hope to be, on his OR her best day. Besides, I vote for Supreme Court pickers.

Found something interesting to add to your arsenal:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/18/1248523/-You-won-t-see-Hillary-Clinton-in-the-same-light-ever-again?detail=email#

[NET]

62. wow just wow

I have never read anything like this about her before

thank you

[semanticwikiian]

56. Well, Hillary is far, far from the perfect Dem candidate

For many, there are certain litmus tests that reveal the 'value' of the candidate.
Things like
1. Do you support the corporate state agenda, e.g., the TPP? (HRC would likely say yes)
2. Do you support the national security state and its violence as a foreign policy? (yes)
3. Do you support policies & programs needed to truly combat climate change? (no)
4. Do you support breaking up the mega-banks and a securities transaction tax? (no!)
5. Do you support increasing Social Security payments, decreasing SS taxes to 1980 levels? (uhh)
6. Do you support having a prison population that is now over 1 million people? (yes)
7. etc

Can we truly afford another 8 years of stalling? Of run-around?
Bill Clinton perfected the run-around, and it was called "small-ball" remember?
Why should we think we'll get *anything* that is different from Bill's "small-ball"?

Here's the core argument.
Noone is saying that HRC is a change-agent --- she's *all about* continuity.
However we desperately NEED a change-agent now, right now, to play "big-ball".
She's wrong for the times, is all.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

59. And there is another swallow!

Oh I love primary time on DU.

[Susannah Elf]

68. No woman has ever

been chosen to lead their party! That says it all. Political media don't play fair with women - I have never heard any mention of a male politicians ankles...

[workinclasszero]

74. Sigh...again

Oh really?

Well this old white str8t male protestant just dropped a campaign contribution in the mail for Hillary today.

Admittedly a tiny one but we do what we can.

Thanks for playing

[Hell Hath No Fury]

75. That one's yanking chains --

check out their GD thread .

[PowerToThePeople]

63. everyone is entitled to their opinion

My opinion differs from yours.

[Bobbie Jo]

64. Welcome to DU, NET!

Stick around awhile.

[Mike Nelson]

67. We'd love to see more progressive candidates, but...

...I never want to live in a country with anyone resembling George W. Bush as "decider"-in-chief again. Ever. She looks like the best chance, now, I agree. If it changes, fine.

[blondie58]

70. First of all,

Welcome to this crazy Place! It is a Great Place to learn and vent.
I will enthusiastically Support her if she is the candidate, Although i would prefer Bernie or Elizabeth Warren.

Anyway, don't Feel we Don't believe in her. Enjoy the Site- and don't miss Salmon Encgsnted Evenings LOL Cats on Sunday Morning.

[workinclasszero]

71. I totally agree!

[Triana]

78. IF she's the nominee, she'll have my vote.

Other Dems here and elsewhere should do the same (ie: vote for Hillary or whomever the Dem nominee is). Else, we can be absolutely assured of losing.

United, we at least have a chance to win.
Divided (ie: protest votes for non-nominees, non-voting, etc. because our preferred candidate didn't get the nomination) we assuredly WILL lose.

If a Republican wins in 2016, it will be an absolute disaster for this country and most people in it. How dumb do you have to be to not recognize that?

People seem to forget this.

Is Hillary perfect? NO. Neither is Obama. Likely none of them will be.

Democrats sometimes fail at the one thing Republicans are consistently very good at: Republicans turn out in droves to vote for their nominee. Every. Time.

We can either do the same -- or LOSE. It's that simple.

[LWolf]

82. I won't ever tell you to shut up.

Even though I disagree with you. I don't know if HRC is "our best chance of keeping the WH." I don't want to find out, because I don't think she'll make a great president. She's a neo-liberal. Neo-liberals do not make great anything.

Welcome to DU, and don't apologize for saying what you think, or let disagreement silence you.

[awoke_in_2003]

83. We haven't even gotten to the primaries

and I already feel like taking a break from DU

[niyad]

84. welcome to du