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DemocratSinceBirth
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sufrommich
(22,871 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)laughed out loud:
Texasgal
(17,045 posts)
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)It's not complicated. She's generally a hawk on foreign policy and she's very cozy with Wall Street.
Bryant
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)but can you name any of her good qualities?
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)She'll be strong on Civil Rights; particularly Womens and LGBT rights. She has a wealth of experience, and she'll come into the office knowing more about the Republicans and their tricks than I think Obama did. I can totally see why some are very keen on her.
Bryant
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)If a viable challenger pops up in the primary process, they might have my support.
Bryant
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)She's not a Republican.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Daemonaquila
(1,712 posts)It's not hate, dude. It's wanting an actual democratic candidate rather than accepting another half-assed "anointed" candidate that very few people can fully get behind. Been there, done that, and Gore and Kerry lost their races. Get it?
djean111
(14,255 posts)ain't pretty. That's a pretty old RW tactic, doing something bad and blaming the other side for it.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and it aint pretty...its a pretty old RW tactic....
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)Of she is president she will be champion for womens right. She also benefits a lot of knowledge of Washington political game, witch might help her greatly may she will be in power.
But people have to understand that many people ard angry because right now it seems Dem powerstructure wants almost to avoid primary. And yes she has acted not realy as a true liberal in the past. People are angry, yet not hatefull.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and YES she has always been a Liberal.....
I know you live in France...but you seem to be listening to the Far Left in America and they have you believing they are a larger group than they are. They are the fringe. As 75% (or more) of Democrats support Hillary Clinton as our next President.
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)that you are labelling Far Left are actually the équivalent of Democratic Socialism here in Europe. They are not radical communists!
Thr true progressive platform they offer is realky similar to the one of President Mitterand bact in 80s with a hint of European Greens one.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)They puff up and like to pretend they are a huge voting bloc but they aren't...at LEAST 75% of Demcrats Support Hillary Clinton...regardless of what THEY tell you!
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)And I still (respectfully) disagree by saying that since 2008 crisis a quite significant part of people wish for more progressive agenda that Hillary Clinton has to offer.
Many believe that for know , while her populist rethoric is strategically brilliant, they still wait she might actually take actions. Because we are many to think accepting billions from WS while talking populist is a sort of contradictions.
We would more appreciate her if she would, fot instanse openly explain things to peopke, such as why for so long did she suppported WS? Why is she supporting TPP .. ? Would be a good start from her as within that she might be more accepted by Progressive Liberal aisle.
Peace.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)she has CONSISTENTLY polled positively and HIGH among Democrats for years and years in poll after poll. I don't think YOU know the American voting public as well as you think you do!
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Certainly not Democrats...
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)2008. Could be folks see her as the agent of what they feel as lacking in our social political lives.
She is the TTP, the Iraq war, the Third Way, the reason there is not enough progressive change in our lives.
Someone needs to take the blame.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)To me, those are all very legitimate reasons to hate Hillary.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)I use it in various ways and people are like "what's IN this delicious food".
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...until I realized that a hotdog just isn't a hotdog without old school yellow mustard!
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)With a pickle on the side...
Damnit, now I want a hot dog.
RKP5637
(67,107 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)FUCK MUSTARD! NOT LITERALLY SINCE THAT WOULD BE PAINFUL!
Logical
(22,457 posts)
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)
FSogol
(45,481 posts)
frylock
(34,825 posts)more than ten times a day.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)It was time to take a big ol' hit
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)THE FLOODGATES ARE OPENING!
Rex
(65,616 posts)on 99% of the posters here! It is coming...
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)It's that simple. No need to wring hands over it.
cali
(114,904 posts)See, I suspect your post is shit stirring designed to try and silence criticism of HRC.
You know what they say about opinions.
and I have to say, I've been called a hater, a basher, misogynistic, hypocritical and more for posting substantive (and pretty fucking mild criticism of HRC). I've also not posted what I think are some pretty insightful, not hateful criticism of her by some pretty well respected folks like Rich and Taibbi because I thought they'd be attacked for being hateful and not engender a discussion that was meaningful.
At least I direct my criticism toward a candidate and don't call HRC supporters the equivalent of what MANY are calling me.
Pathwalker
(6,598 posts)all the supporters FOREVER, I consider that hate. If someone can swear I won't get in trouble for it, I will name that poster.
spanone
(135,830 posts)
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)
spanone
(135,830 posts)
Texasgal
(17,045 posts)
bigtree
(85,996 posts)
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)of Hillary's guilt, it would be a different story. If Hillary was the only one with Wall Street or corporation associations then I could accept she is the only one with connections with Wall Street. The complaint of Hillary getting paid for her speeches is hogwash, if she can get $200,000 for her speeches, good for her. We have players for sports teams which gets paid very large amounts for them playing a game, we have actors getting paid large amounts for the work they do, we have those in the musical industry getting paid big bucks for their performances. There has to be a better accusation to only accuse Hillary of the comments over and over again, baseless.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)Yes, other candidates have gotten paid for speeches.
Yes, other candidates have taken donations from Wall St.
Yes, other candidates supported the Iraq War.
Yes, other candidates are/were members of organizations like 3rd Way and DLC.
Yes, other candidates support TPP.
Yes, other candidates have done a lot of things...(This list is not exhaustive, by any means.)
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Few other candidates are or have done all of those things...and the ones that are, I hate every bit as much as I hate Hillary.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)If anybody wants to know why I and a lot of other progressives despise her and find her beyond the possibility of support...it can be summarized as she is damned by her own record in our eyes.
It's not our opinions that make her unfit to run on the Democratic ticket for President...it's the facts.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I just dislike her.
If you or anyone else likes her, fine. I am cool with that.
And if anyone dislikes her, fine. I am cool with that.
No one has to like every Democrat.
I care little about who anyone likes or dislikes (or even hates).
deutsey
(20,166 posts)
KG
(28,751 posts)
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)Like the earth, the moon, and the sun.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)
treestar
(82,383 posts)trying to oppress people who don't like Hillary. For shame! 
They consider it persecution for you to support Hillary like that!!!!
bravenak
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LordGlenconner
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uponit7771
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Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Just check out some of the sources cited around here lately.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)the Washington Times.
When caught, this person attacked ME rather than the source from which they based their rhetoric on.
RedstDem
(1,239 posts)Breaking. Blame bush all you want, it won't change the fact that bill setup the banking collapse. And progressive dems fear that she will carry on the legacy of fielty towards the rich.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Your post sounds a bit like the one someone posted yesterday , quoted Ted Cruz to attack Hillary Clinton.
Yes blame Bush 1& 2.
Bill did his share but don't even go down the road of defending the Bush crime family. They have had generations to bring the down economic demise of America. And THAT was before Bush #1 even became President.
Clinton's are two people.
Bush crime family is the DYNASTY that will never give up until they have pilfered every nickel from America.
They are the Kochs on effin steroids.
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)protections for lower income folks and got those in the bill instead.
In your world, he should have vetoed the bill, getting nothing in return and having the bill pass anyway.
RedstDem
(1,239 posts)Back and survey the wreckage.
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)Community Reinvestment Act that became part of that bill, or anyone who benefits from the medical and financial privacy that comes from the act. You'd throw that away to make a point?
I'm not sure there are any pure moral victories when it comes to Congress The only true victory is that which becomes law.
RedstDem
(1,239 posts)One of the pillars of the new deal. Fighting that and going down in flames is well worth seceding those trinkets. Just standing against that pays rewards that far exceeds the value of those things. What's next on the chopping block? Davis Bacon! That's what. And the success Clinton handed them by signing off on it, weights the odds that favor that outcome. You want to see a world of shit? Wait till that happens.
renegade000
(2,301 posts)it's hard for me not be cynical about the current state of the discussion as well. It's just so early in the process that I find the fixation on Hillary a bit annoying. I want to learn more about and potentially be excited by alternative candidates, and there is some discussion in that regard. However, there's also a lot of very predictable anti-Clinton posting going on, usually of the pattern:
(1) Clinton says something in line with more conservative/centrist attitudes, everyone dogpiles on this evidence of her insidious perfidy.
(2) Clinton says something in line with more liberal/populist sentiments here on DU, this is taken as evidence of her truly diabolic and insidious perfidy.
While we can have a healthy and needed debate when (1) happens (and I am indeed sympathetic to the critical view in this case), I find (2) to be obnoxious. It smacks more of turf-protection by those who like to think themselves the guardians of True Progressivism™. To me such statements from Clinton ought to be applauded. If nothing else, it refocuses the discourse on those issues, and might make it easier (rather than harder) for more progressive voices and candidates to be given a platform.
Warpy
(111,254 posts)Ask yourself that question first. You might have your answer.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)
DU ain't what it use to be.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)
Sid
Cha
(297,188 posts)Thanks for the link, Bobbie Jo
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)not even running? Just a guess.
CosmicLiberal
(1 post)The hatred of our next POTUS, is due to the rampant abuse she receives in the media. Especially Fox News. Example, I was reading a story online where they said that her story on her grandparents immigrating to the US was a complete lie and she was in some hot water over her "fib". I mean really? Is there nothing else they have to report on? They take every word she says and every inaction or action and use it as cannon fodder. I have met both of the Clintons, Hillary is a great woman. She actually cares about the every day, common person. Things that she does and says gets blown way out of proportion. The email "scandal", wouldn't be a "scandal" if it was not Hillary Clinton. Jeb Bush did the same, but nothing gets harped on about it. People need to do their own research and come to their own conclusions. Do not blindly follow or listen to what ANY media outlet is spitting. When the dust clears, people will see that she is a wonderful, caring, and driven individual who will make an excellent president.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)We want our candidates to be pure here.
Obama got a lot of shit right after he was elected esp not offering the public option and putting SS on the table which the GOP was so opposed to cooperating at all SAVED us from cuts.
However now that Obama has been more of a democrat attitude has changed.
I think the more progressive stuff Hillary proposes and the more the GOP attacks her more people here will like her.
Course if a viable more progressive candidate emerges she will have hard time getting traction.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)so they have little choice but to resort to hyperbolic nonsense, like calling people 'haters' when they attempt a rational discussion about a chosen political candidate's position on certain issues. It's a logical fallacy, but it comes with the territory.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)dismissive, divisive and insulting to anyone who dares to criticize Ms. Clinton. Seriously, what is up with that Hillary Hate.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)kinda like how we say fuck Rand/Ron Paul....ya know?
That kind of hate.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)I've seen posters who disagree with Clinton's positions, past and current; who question what her current positions are; who question her strategy; and question her commitment to liberal causes.
But, you'd agree that is not the same as saying "fuck Clinton" or the same as "hate," right?
djean111
(14,255 posts)
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)She has her defenders as well.
She has been in the spotlight for a long while, that creates a record of shifting positions due to circumstance.
Being a politician, particularly a Democrat opens one up for compromises which detractors from one's side can point to as being part of the problem and lacking credibility in an issue, when more often than not a decision at a particular time is based primarily on the current situation and information given.
Some can not forgive such things, and will point those out constantly, even if they work for the betterment in other areas.
For me, I can still consider her a net positive.
That is enough for me to vote for her in the general election, even if I do not support her in the primaries.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)and sometimes it's hard to tell them apart.
Sid
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)That arrogant pissant Rand Paul gets less grief than Hillary. That megalomaniac Cruz catches less shit.
I don't get it. Nobody else has even declared yet but these sensational "Democrats" feel the need to disparage our only candidate up to now.
This might cause some consternation here and hopefully won't get my post pulled, but they sound like freepers and teabaggers. Really, not much different in tone or context or accuracy.
If I were a troll trying to beat down the support for Hillary, I'd come here and say the exact shit that they are saying. Exactly.
MADem
(135,425 posts)1. DU hasn't had the best track record when it comes to picking successful candidates--there are more than a few Don Quixotes here. These people think that wishing and hoping is the same as working for a candidate. They also think wishing will change a politician's mind.
2. The new DU3 encourages socks, zombies and trolls, unfortunately. It doesn't take a genius to figure out who these people are. You can't come out and say as much, but anyone with a bit of intuition can pretty much spot 'em. MIRT can only do so much.
3. Juries, in an effort to OVER-compensate and show everyone how reasonable they are, will leave a post even if it sticks in their craw because they don't want to "censor." I'll admit I was more willing to give people the benefit of the doubt at the outset, but now I keep both the SoP AND the TOS in mind on the rare occasion I am called to a jury. And if people are behaving like shitheads, calling DUers names or making fun of them, personally, I have no patience for their "free speech." They're free to pull that shit ELSEWHERE!
4. Some posters get passive-aggressive while hiding behind a claim of "satire." It's not "satire," often as not, it's trolling. But it's right under the radar, You Better Believe It!!!
All I can say is, come on, end of primary season! I hope the admins pull out the scythe and start hacking away with no mercy once that magic line is crossed--I come here to hear Democrats discuss issues in a productive manner--I don't come here to see Democrats being trashed, and that IS what I'm seeing all too often. Policy differences are one thing--vague accusations based on photographs at official events, guilt-by-association games, pantsuit and voice and "hair do" insults...I think people who pull that shit deserve a tombstone, but that's just me.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I hope.
There will be clear debate as always but i hope the trolling threads that call her a respublican will lessen.
istill see one or two posters use rw links to bash her but hopefully that will stop.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)The calendar is open until late November when we pick back up the "War On Christmas" again.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)than a President Hillary Clinton.
Go figure, because I can't.
It will be interesting to see what happens around here if Hillary does become the democratic party nominee.
What will the haters do then??? 
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)But there is also the issue of her having the same entitlement vibe as Mitt Romney. She wants to be Presidents because she feels entitled to being President.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)the tow truck lobby.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)After which she went into hiding for weeks. My guess is that is was some type of breakdown, physical or mental. Watching as she set dates and times for press conferences that she never showed up for was very unsettling. Many have no memory of this. To me this is the one thing that makes her unfit to be president. That and the fact that she laughed on tape about the US killing people! These two actions show a lack of strength and grounding and a lack of concern for how people in other countries would perceive us!
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)You stay classy. 
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Romney and Clinton believed to the very end that they would win, because that's just the way it's supposed to be. Whether or not the public at large is privy to their destiny is another matter.
DrKZ
(53 posts)Imagine if Hillary would have won in 2008 by now Chelsea could have been president ... seriously are we supposed to have coronations? Clintons and Bushes: seriously? And, we are supposed to obey and let the neoliberals and their corporate overlords bleed the people of the nation ... while the neo conservatives keep us in perpetual war
peace13
(11,076 posts)This was a race for the President of the United Stares for goodness sake! Why are we willing to excuse a behavior that is so out of control? Who was the last person to refuse to concede in a reasonable time? This is exactly why it is useless to comment on Clinton. Excuse away, but men have been weeded from this race for much, much less display of lack of personal control. I want my President to be in control even if personal disappointment happens because we can be pretty sure that it will. I am sorry that my comment above appears to be blunt but there was no other way to put it and....it does need to be discussed! I question her stability. That is not rude or cruel it is an important factor here!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)
peace13
(11,076 posts)Most people here, that are reserving their right to decide who the Dem candidate will be, have shut down. Who would presume to speak up about this with the barrage of, as you say... 'haters' who are Hill supporters. Really? Who needs it! I feel like asking Skinner for my twenty bucks back. Quite frankly for anyone with an open mind, this place sucks right now!
Enjoy fishing with BS. To me....it stinks!
Trajan
(19,089 posts)I watched Kennedy debate Nixon on a black and white T.V. .. I have been a Democrat ever since ...
I have the ability, the desire, and the right, to criticise one (or all, if necessary) of the Democrats, at any time, as I see fit ...
Unless we are casting obvious insults and abusive ad hominems, we should be able to speak our minds about the candidates, as I am sure I will be voting for one of them in the Primary and in the General ...
So, the Hillary Police should really just back off, and go after the extremists, if you must, but we regular Democrats are going to criticize Democratic party candidates ...
rock
(13,218 posts)Where would you be if you were a RW troll?
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Really.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Get out The LIST! Time to kick some people off of DU! IT seems to make a tiny group here ECSTATIC to get rid of those that they have a personal vendetta against!
So just wait...you ain't seen nothing yet! This is just the FIRST TWO WEEKS!
GET THE LISTS READY!
PURGE!
Oh right...this is all about HRC...riiiiggggghhhttt...
anamnua
(1,110 posts)If you think the hate is bad now you should have been around during the 07/08 primary:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5105681
-- posted by yours truly.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I have no doubt people here were eating their own.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I've seen better debating skills from grade-schoolers.
Dpm12
(512 posts)Frankly, it pisses me off!
chillfactor
(7,575 posts)enjoy tearing the party apart...some people just revel in hate....and then wonder why we lose elections....
truebrit71
(20,805 posts).... or has this become Hillary Underground all of a sudden?
