"Hater" is quite simply the dumbest Goddam term in the DU lexicon.

[WilliamPitt]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by NH Ethylene (a host of the General Discussion forum).

And I'm personally sick of seeing it.

It's a shortcut to thinking. If you deploy it, doing so makes you look like an idiot.

It's not "hate." It's honest disagreement based on legitimate reasons.

It's debate.

If you can't handle it, go find another hobby.

[KamaAina]

1. H8r.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

21. Db8r !!

[11 Bravo]

73. And a GREAT one! One might even say ...

a MASTERDb8r!

(This is not aimed at anyone, I simply saw a shot to employ a very old joke, and I took it.)

[madinmaryland]

42. I'm a farty-whiner and cheatriot hater!!!

[Logical]

2. Sounds like you are a hater also! :-)

[H2O Man]

3. Agreed.

[MineralMan]

4. Oh, I can think of a dumber one.

Starts with POS.

[WilliamPitt]

7. Clever.

Go back to bed.

[MineralMan]

8. Nah. Not sleepy.

You're the one that brought up hating on politicians, right? IOKIYAWP, I guess. It's debate, as you said. You should be used to it.

[tkmorris]

24. Yeah, that's not debate

It's avoiding debate through snark. Which the post you reference clearly was not, whatever you may think of it's content.

But you know all of this. You just have a little WP shaped chip on your shoulder.

[MineralMan]

27. Well, I'm sure he appreciates your defense.

That's really nice of you.

[WilliamPitt]

29. Ibid.

[zeemike]

33. It did not sound like a defense to me.

It sounded like an observation.

[H2O Man]

35. I agree.

[LanternWaste]

36. I like to pretend criticisms against me are actually a defense of someone else too

I like to pretend criticisms against me are actually a defense of someone else too. It lets us maintain the ethical pretense the we're above the fray, when really all we do is merely add more petulant fuel to the fire.

Really nice, indeed.

[Rex]

39. That's it right there.

Pretending to be above the fray, nail it!

[drokhole]

51. Times like this make me wish I could rec a post.

[sabrina 1]

70. Wrong, the OP is not about Politicians. n/t

[sabrina 1]

69. I can't, the ridiculous, childish use of that word reminds of the stupidity of FRs whose mental

agility resembles that of a rock.

[BeanMusical]

83. They are also very nasty haters.

[sabrina 1]

86. That's what reminds me of the far right, Freepers, et al. Nasty with zero interest in any kind of

intelligent discussion. Just disrupters, the goal appears to be to disrupt this forum.

[H2O Man]

95. Resorting to such

mindless, shallow nonsense represents a shortcut to rational thinking.

It is a shortcut that too many of our friends here attempt.

[winter is coming]

5. Shh. I'd rather not discourage its use, as it's a great way to filter out crap. n/t

[sabrina 1]

72. Well, you have a point there.

[PeaceNikki]

6. It's not "DU lexicon". Are you not aware of all internet traditions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hater_%28Internet%29

[patricia92243]

9. Is calling the Republicans "Hate Mongers" acceptable - because they are!

[gollygee]

10. Some people appear to diagree based on legitimate reasons

and some have really stupid posts just attacking because they don't like her.

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize Clinton, but her hair, or a picture, or her logo, or whatever else - people are just looking for reasons to criticize at that point.

[bvar22]

49. I agree with all you said, except....

Her new LOGO sucks ass.

[gollygee]

97. It's fair to not like the logo

but we had people saying it was evidence she'd make a horrible president. That's just silly.

[AlbertCat]

54. people are just looking for reasons to criticize at that point.

Well, one need not look too hard or long.

There's no need to even go after the hair....

[morningfog]

11. It's just laziness and projection.

[Lint Head]

12. I hate "Haters".

[hrmjustin]

13. I think there are a few haters on this site.

But I think the clear majority of us like honest debate.

[closeupready]

14. I'd nominate either "woo" or "anti-vaxxer", lol.

Both words make those using them seem high school.

[sabrina 1]

88. Those words most likely came from a Big Pharma Think Tank. When words are repeatedly used over

and over and people don't use their own words, as most ordinary people do, you can BET they are paid for propaganda by those with a vested interest in silencing their detractors.

[cherokeeprogressive]

15. Backbackbackback... it's... it's... OUTTA HERE! Another home run for William Pitt. n/t

[PeaceNikki]

16. Shake it Off.

[okaawhatever]

65. I don't think he'll get your reference, which is why he also doesn't understand the current use

of the word "hater". I'm over it all... I just wanna shake...

[tammywammy]

17. I would add -bot and cheerleader

Any time I see a poster using stupid juvenile names I just discount their entire post.

[hlthe2b]

18. ahem... (ordinarily I'd agree but)....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6511390

When you have some here (however few) overtly and proudly manifesting hate for our leading announced Democratic Party candidate at this point, it does seem to go waaaay past "honest disagreement based on legitimate reasons"....

Like you, I have no problem debating and seeing both defenders and detractors. That's what DU is for. But when some here claim "HATE" for the candidate without offering a reason why they would, well, it is inexplicable to me.

[MattSh]

19. I would probably rate...

"bootlickers" as worse than hater.

And for all the same reasons you mention.

[sufrommich]

20. "And I'm personally sick of seeing it."

You sound like a father admonishing his children.

[NightWatcher]

22. You know what they say...

I prefer "Naysayers" as it's more refined and classy than Hater gon hate.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

23. I nominate "wake up" and "sheeple" if we're starting a list.

[PeaceNikki]

26. "Congresscritter" bugs me, can it be added, please?

[Aldo Leopold]

25. I nominate "Goddam".

[mmonk]

28. Bingo.

[BlueJazz]

30. I hate your post. You're pretty cool though...

[gratuitous]

31. Wake up, sheeple!

Your goddam hater ways are going to make me write my congresscritter, because you're taking away all my choicest words! This woo thread of anti-vaxxing haterade (forgot that one, didn't you all?) makes you look like a bunch of bootlicker-bots and cheerleaders.

Swordfish!

[OnyxCollie]

68. NARWHAL!

[gratuitous]

82. Indeed - a little disappointed in WRP

I figured for sure the "swordfish" mention would get his attention.

[JDPriestly]

32. Thank you.

DU is traditionally a pretty sophisticated forum. We expect a certain ability on posters' parts to defend what they claim they believe.

It's that simple.

It's not hate. It's debate.

As a country, we need to aspire to the be the very best society we can be. That's the goal.

On DU, debate, discussion, listening, paying attention, learning, being willing to change an opinion and then being willing to work to change our society for the better.

Those are the means to our goal.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

34. Actually, what's stupid is people who claim if you don't like Hillary you hate ALL WOMEN....

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...thus totally ignoring support for Warren.

Or, if you are against the TPP that means you are an isolationist who doesn't believe we should have trade with ANY country. Or worse, you are an anti-capitalist and that's that's akin to a commie so you probably worship Satan too.

[Starry Messenger]

37. So you're going to stop using it?

[WilliamPitt]

77. I never have used it.

Prove me wrong. I'll wait.

[G_j]

38. Word //\\

[kentauros]

40. Hater (n.)

hater (n.)
late 14c., "one who hates, an enemy," agent noun from hate (v.).


hate (v.)
Old English hatian "to hate," from Proto-Germanic *haton (cognates: Old Saxon haton, Old Norse hata, German hassen, Gothic hatan "to hate&quot , from PIE root *kad- "sorrow, hatred" (cognates: Avestan sadra- "grief, sorrow, calamity," Greek kedos "care, trouble, sorrow," Welsh cas "pain, anger&quot . Related: Hated; hating. French haine (n.), hair (v.) are Germanic. Hate crime attested from 1988.

hate (n.)
Old English hete "hatred, spite," from Proto-Germanic *hatis- (cognates: Old Norse hattr, Old Frisian hat, Dutch haat, Old High German has, German Hass, Gothic hatis; see hate (v.)). Altered in Middle English to conform with the verb. Hate mail is first attested 1967.

With that kind of history, I'd say "hater" has a legitimate use on DU, unlike "woo" which is an onomatopoeia word for a sound.

[workinclasszero]

41. When someone links to The Blaze

Or other teahaddist websites in an attempt to slam...who else?....Hillary, they richly deserve the title h8er.

IMHO, of course.

[madinmaryland]

43. Can we just refer to them as "nattering nabobs of negativity"?

[olddots]

44. "hater " is for people who say "lets party "

I'll leave it at that .

[KittyWampus]

45. So you missed the "Hillary parks in handicapped parking spot" threads? Trying to pretend

that it's all reasoned debate getting posted here is ridiculous.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

46. Just shake it off.

Shake it off.

[antigop]

47. and what is the education level of those who use it? nt

[fadedrose]

48. It's very childish

reminds me of kids in 4th grade....

That's the best they can do, apparently.

Now that she's started talking, all I've heard her say is what Warren has said. Right words, wrong music.

[antigop]

50. yep. It's a shows a lack of critical thinking skills. nt

[Texasgal]

52. Lay off the haterade.

Stick to water.

[Shemp Howard]

53. If that's true...

...then the unnecessary swearing is a close second.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

55. Dubmber then DERP?!

[PeaceNikki]

60. No. But opinions are like assholes.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

63. Actually, everyone's got LOTS of opinions.

[Thinkingabout]

56. Perhaps those who have declared hate towards Hillary will evolve on this issue.

[tblue37]

57. Debaters gonna debate. nt

[okaawhatever]

71. LOL. Most of the people here won't get that but it's funny... nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

58. Rofl

[Thespian2]

59. K & R

[sendero]

62. Agreed...

..... it's just a way to shut down a debate using stupidity.

[bigwillq]

64. K and R

[riqster]

66. In some cases, yes.

But in other cases, sad to say, hate happens.

[valerief]

67. Br8tr!

[OnyxCollie]

74. It's a handicap.

With "hater," even the most politically-ignorant can play right alongside Will Pitt.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

75. "Simply" is the third most extraneous word on DU.

And the word "methinks" gets double billing as both the second dumbest goddamned word on DU and as the number one most-used-for-no-reason archaic word. Also, going undercover at FR to report back here is the twelfth dumbest action taken by the set of DUers with more than five years of membership under the belt.

[democrank]

76. Remember what we said about George W. Bush followers?

Remember how we used to pulverize them because they followed in lockstep and seem to not think for themselves? Remember all the.... How can they blindly follow.... remarks?

There may be a few exceptions, but I rather doubt that most DUers who don`t support Hillary actually hate her. Hillary Clinton isn`t my favorite candidate, but I certainly don`t hate her. I didn`t support her when she ran against President Obama and I`m a bit cautious about jumping on her band wagon now.

I`m not crazy about Trial Balloon Candidates, who have to "focus group" logos, changes in positions, ideas. I prefer someone genuine who behaves the same way when no one is looking. Someone who has the same principles no matter if he/she is talking with a crowd of wealthy bankers or a group of homeless veterans. One of the worst things I`ve seen happen to our politicians is this phony "branding" BS, the stuff the 30-somethings chat about on The Cycle. It`s temporary image-making which could change in a flash, depending on what the focus group thinks. Our country needs a grounded, principled candidate who has honest, firsthand knowledge of what people in this country are going through. We don`t need a candidate who playacts to get a vote, we need someone genuine.

[PBass]

78. Please stop saying defenders are "apologists". We're not apologizing for anything. NT

[Warren DeMontague]

79. A lot of people think if they can just slap the right ad hominem label on someone

that negates having to engage them intellectually.

[Rex]

80. I don't know about that...

Maybe.

[joshcryer]

81. You're one to talk.

Shit, I usually use the term "detractor" but in your special case "hater" might actually qualify.

[Blue_Tires]

84. +1

[BainsBane]

85. Really, so posting pictures of Clinton as an aged, ugly queen

Is an issue? What issue would that be? Women need to stay in their place and not rule over men?

[one_voice]

90. +1

[99Forever]

87. Yep.

Weak minded idiots, at that.

[enough]

89. Thank you. This has been driving me crazy for several months.

Introducing the word "hater" into any exchange immediately brings the conversation down to pointlessness and name calling.

[Agony]

91. IOW I don't hate Hillary… she is just dead wrong on some things.

some serious things…

not about hate.

wrong.

[onyourleft]

92. Very much...

...agree.

[awoke_in_2003]

93. How about 'bater?

[2banon]

94. Agreed.

[MADem]

96. Don't say hateful things, and you'll never have to worry about having the word thrown your way. nt

[Chemisse]

98. We are locking this.

Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members are not permitted in GD.