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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCruz formally asks McCain to examine guns on military bases
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/239530-cruz-formally-asks-mccain-to-examine-guns-on-military-basesThere is great concern that Department of Defense policies which prevent service members from carrying weapons on military installations place an undue restriction on their second amendment rights and detract from their security, Cruz wrote....
I once again urge the Senate Armed Services Committee to approach this important policy concern in a thoughtful and bipartisan manner, with input from Department of Defense and outside experts, Cruz asked.
The missive could bring to a close the latest dust-up between 2016 presidential hopeful and McCain.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I was in the Navy for 24 years and except for on duty there is zero reason to allow this. The military personnel are welcomed to have weapons but put them in the base armory. They check it out and go to gun range or hunt or whatever. To have them in the base housing or barracks would be a horrible idea. Remember I was in 24 years and the booze mixed with guns would not be a good mixture. I am not as strict on guns as some here but this is outrageous.
former9thward
(32,077 posts)they are just supposed to take it and wait for the MPs to get there? After a dozen people have died...And most of the booze is off base.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Well that is certainly your right. I don't though
former9thward
(32,077 posts)But a failure in logic. I support personal guns on base. I don't care who else supports it.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I told you I am supportive of the 2nd amendment more then most but I just think this goes to far.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)teabaggy view on all issues, so long as they never directly criticize Obama or Hillary. It is criticizing them from the left, that makes you a ratfucker, and will create mirt jihad.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Home of the brave. LOL.
This is the kind of cowardice and lack of public spirit that indicates the decline of a society.
former9thward
(32,077 posts)Cool, bro...
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Especially considering how rare of an event that is. It's so rare as to be statistically "never".
former9thward
(32,077 posts)And the Norfolk Naval Station and Quantico and the Washington Naval Base and Fort Bragg and Fairchild Air Force Base and Fort Lee. But they are "statistically never"....
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2014/04/02/shooting-attacks-military-bases-history/7225403/
arcane1
(38,613 posts)former9thward
(32,077 posts)will you make the same post?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)To protect us from people with guns?
Sorry, I'm just not that easily frightened.
former9thward
(32,077 posts)with your "statistical" analysis. Of course I already knew that answer....
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Yes, statistically speaking, school shootings are extremely rare. Slightly less rare than military base shootings.
And certainly not enough to justify having a gun in every classroom. That's a cowardly reaction.
former9thward
(32,077 posts)So by that reasoning we should not have schools on lock down like a modern school is now. And since it "never" happens we should not worry about it when it does.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Please stick to the subject at hand.
Are you saying our military bases are less secure than modern schools??
Peregrine
(992 posts)Haven't heard of Class 6 stores? Cheap and tax free. NCO, Officer, and enlisted clubs. Once again, cheap and tax free. And these off post places are just pretty close to the gates.
sendit
(58 posts)We were all 18 , 19 , 20 years old living in barracks.
I know exactly what you mean by the boozing we did.
No way would I have wanted people carrying their own personal weapons on base
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Was Cruz ever in a barracks on payday night? I was and saw plenty of bloodshed after the EM club closed and liberty expired.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)They did plenty of partying when they had the chance.
former9thward
(32,077 posts)What country's military were you in and during what era?
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Things must have changed....a lot.... if you didn't see teen aged drunks in the barracks or returning from liberty.
former9thward
(32,077 posts)Things change -- even in the military.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)When were you in? No EM clubs? No bars off base? No barracks brawls?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Which is increasingly dominated by fundies.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)when I put in my time. And, smuggled in hooch more common than bibles.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Both stateside and overseas.
What branch of the service were you in and where were you stationed where everybody was choir boys and girls.
LOL!
tabasco
(22,974 posts)or you're lying.
former9thward
(32,077 posts)I served the U.S. Bases I was at did not allow any drinking before 21 and there were few places to do it on the base for enlisted. BTW I live in a college town that has concealed carry for absolutely anyone who wants to do it (Tempe, AZ) and there are thousands of drunken teenagers nightly. No one gets shot. Amazing!!!!
What branch did you serve in?
There's a lot! of drinking done on base
arcane1
(38,613 posts)All bluster and bullshit.
spanone
(135,873 posts)MiniMe
(21,718 posts)I think allowing guns in the House and Senate chambers is a really bad idea, if there was any question about that.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)MiniMe
(21,718 posts)What does he differ with? The OP or my post? It is not only congresspeople who are allowed in the galleries in the House and Senate.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)a reference to the time he got busted for carrying in DC.
MiniMe
(21,718 posts)I'm not against guns, but I do think it is reasonable to restrict where they can be used.
I don't think everybody should be able to carry guns into the Whitehouse, or the Senate, or the House, or the Supreme Court. But I don't think Cruz or most of the other congress critters would want people carrying a gun in the gallery of the House and Senate.
Bonhomme Richard
(9,000 posts)who are also anti-gun nuts that took those freedoms away. Dang them.
lame54
(35,321 posts)Oktober
(1,488 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)the great constitutional scholar, in paraphrase:
"We accept the military as an authoritarian exception to our general guarantees of liberty under the Constitution. That is why the speech of military members can be restricted in ways that the speech of civilians cannot be."
Cruz needs to be locked up in a secure place and force-fed Thorazine.