Thank You, LGBT Activists

[tishaLA]

who helped to push the President to evolve, probably more quickly than he would have liked. You are the real heroes here.

(I do think the "leave it to the states" thing is horseshit, but it's a lot better than it was before)

[ScreamingMeemie]

1. This is what holding an elected offical's feet to the flames looks like.

I applaud a community who has worked tirelessly time and again to help elect progressives. I applaud them for not giving up...even when there were visible tire treads upon their backs. When their right to be treated equally in the eyes of the government was looked upon as a pet cause (which it still is by many). Let this just be the beginning.

[Capt. Obvious]

2. Thank you for this thread

This should get as many rec's as "The most SWEET SMELLING President in history" threads if not more.

[LiberalAndProud]

3. Yes! Thank you and Congratulations on a battle well fought.

Well done.

[Capt. Obvious]

4. One for the road kick

[bigwillq]

5. K and R

They should get the real credit here.

[fishwax]

6. k/r

[Zorra]

7. You gotta do what you gotta do.

You ain't seen nothin' yet.

And although we pretty much expected the outcome in North Carolina, it still made us angry, and increased our resolve.

I sense that we are all seriously collectively motivated and are mobilizing right now.

[ruggerson]

8. +1

[ScreamingMeemie]

9. .

[one_voice]

10. K&R

[Mc Mike]

11. +1. Rock on, LGBT activist!

[treestar]

12. This kind of thing is just off

OK so you are determined to give Obama no credit. Fine, but then you can't blame him for his previous stance. That's because the activists were failures heretofore, or something. Don't the activists now have a duty to work on Rmoney? Suppose he wins?

[Capt. Obvious]

14. You. Are. Unbelievable.

Next time you start a passive agressive thread in H&M for someone mentioning your name derisively - this is most likely why.

[treestar]

15. What about what I said?

You are unbelievable. No one can disagree with you or make any comment without you making it personal.

Good grief, you would complain if it were you. I don't know much about you since I stick to the issues rather than the people.

Why do you not respond to the point then? Why does Obama get all the blame and none of the credit while the activist get none of the blame and all of the credit? That's deranged.

[ZombieHorde]

35. "No one can disagree with you or make any comment without you making it personal."

OK so you are determined to give Obama no credit.

This is making it personal.

Why does Obama get all the blame and none of the credit while the activist get none of the blame and all of the credit?

What would you like to blame gay activists for?

[treestar]

25. I started that thread to point out you can end up on a jury

for a post about you, and that the software allowed for that.

You are the one making things so personal. Which is sort of conservative-cavey, I mean, why do you notice the names so much of the posters who annoy you by supporting Democrats on Democratic underground?

[Capt. Obvious]

28. Sure you did

So what are you trying to say in this post?

[snooper2]

37. YO! what happens in H&M stays in H&M

I thought that was obvious

[tishaLA]

17. actually I'm a complete Obama fangurl

And I applaud what the president has done (I also posted Greenwald's comments about the state's rights stuff, in support of the president, which I find convincing).

The thing is: IMO the day and the issue belong more to the LGBT movement and the activists within that movement who have changed perceptions than they belong to ANY politician.

This only happened because real heroes facing real oppression were able to change minds.

[treestar]

18. I still find it a little off that the "day" depends so much on Obama's actions

I am not a "fangurl" but a logical one, somewhat practical, who finds it annoying when people idolize the Presidency as so all powerful. Then when the President happens to do what they want, he's out of the picture. Inconsistent.

[tishaLA]

19. I don't believe the President is invisible

I just think the arc of civil right generally--and LGBT rights specifically--are more important than any one person.

Reasonable people are free to disagree on this of course. I'm not interested in taking credit from the President, but in spreading credit to those who made the
evolution possible.

[treestar]

23. I just don't think it is the same people

Who've been trashing him over the issue in spite of what he did do on it who helped him "evolve." These same people complain that they aren't motivated by negativity, so why do they think their negativity got the President on their side? No wonder they keep it up, then. I don't like the idea that people are motivated by negativity - I'm not. Like those photos of LBJ in someone's face, leaning over them - I'd dig my heels in, and so would most people.

[chill_wind]

34. Beautifully said. And this too:

"This only happened because real heroes facing real oppression were able to change minds."

THAT is how battles-tirelessly fought on the front lines for decades and lifetimes- are slowly won and collective social change eventually happens.

[Capt. Obvious]

20. - I am not a "fangurl" -

[treestar]

24. Not unless you interpret someone who does not want Rmoney to be President

as an automatic fang url. I am just practical. I am not going to trash Obama when his opponent is Rmoney. I'm not going to trash any Democrat running against a tea partier. I support the President, and that does not mean I am a "fang url." You are proving to be an unpleasant name-caller, who apparently dislikes me for supporting Democrats on democratic undergrounds. You act like you have a right to us all agreeing with you.

[Capt. Obvious]

27. I quote you, and add nothing

and i'm calling you names. Interesting.

Does the defense wish to call any more witnesses?

[Vanje]

21. Thanks, Treestar

You're a pip!

[William769]

22. It's Gay activists & a lot of Gay money that put this President in this position.

If it had not been for these two things he would still be evolving.

And wheres your proof they have not been working on Romney? Peddle your tripe elsewhere.

[treestar]

26. Are you telling me to STFU?

I thought that was a bad thing?

So what about money and activists? The President serves the country. The voters. I hope you aren't one of the ones going on about how "the corporations" should not get what they want for their money, then!

[UnrepentantLiberal]

38. I never paid much attention to you.

I'll remember you now.

[treestar]

42. that's dumb

So you think giving money to a campaign means the elected official should cater to you? And then do you complain at the same time that others do the same?

[UnrepentantLiberal]

46. Yes.

They should cater to me. That's why I worked to get them elected.

[Zorra]

29. No, not off. After certain factions repeatedly told us to sit down and STFU

prior to the election of 2008, and to a lesser extent thereafter,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x173419

it is really nice for us to have our resolve and persistence so graciously recognized and acknowledged.

On a side note, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all the wonderful allies of the LGBT community reading this, who have supported and assisted us in helping us to change many hearts and minds, and helping folks evolve on this issue.

Y'all played a large part in raising collective awareness of the unreasonable and unjust situation that the LGBT community experiences as an oppressed minority.

So, thanks, backatcha, for all you have done for us.

We all are the checks and balances on our leaders.

We all are the real hope for change.

[Vanje]

30. + 1

Love ya Zorra

[Zorra]

32. ...

Love you back, sweetie!

[ScreamingMeemie]

33. You know what the really cruddy thing is?

Some one had to come into this thread and poop all over it for it to get any kind of traction. We continue to treat the LGBT community as less than...

[Capt. Obvious]

36. Thank you

[Starry Messenger]

13. k&r

[lunatica]

16. DU gays have done a lot to educate me

I thank you for that. I was never anti gay, but I used to think that your time would come if you were patient. I was wrong, and you showed my I was wrong.

[The Philosopher]

31. Don't forget the Vice President.

He should get a nod of thanks, too.

[laundry_queen]

39. K&R nt

[xchrom]

40. Du rec. Nt

[KG]

41. Activist DURec

[Texasgal]

43. I agree!

Cheers to the people on the front lines fighting for equality!

[IDemo]

44. I work with a LGBT activist

She told me a while back that she was a member of the Log Cabin Republicans and has been active in repub politics for many years, but this time she'll be voting for Obama.

[WillyT]

45. K & R !!!