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Damansarajaya

(625 posts)
Sun May 10, 2015, 02:39 PM May 2015

JFK on the role of religion in politics

(because this is from a speech by a candidate running for office, I think copyright rules wouldn't apply)

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute, where no Catholic prelate would tell the president (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote; where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference; and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials; and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.

For while this year it may be a Catholic against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it has been, and may someday be again, a Jew— or a Quaker or a Unitarian or a Baptist. It was Virginia's harassment of Baptist preachers, for example, that helped lead to Jefferson's statute of religious freedom. Today I may be the victim, but tomorrow it may be you — until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped at a time of great national peril.

Finally, I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end; where all men and all churches are treated as equal; where every man has the same right to attend or not attend the church of his choice; where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind; and where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, at both the lay and pastoral level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their works in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood.

That is the kind of America in which I believe. And it represents the kind of presidency in which I believe — a great office that must neither be humbled by making it the instrument of any one religious group, nor tarnished by arbitrarily withholding its occupancy from the members of any one religious group. I believe in a president whose religious views are his own private affair, neither imposed by him upon the nation, or imposed by the nation upon him as a condition to holding that office.

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Since JFK believed in faith as a "private matter," can we agree that cheap jibes at someone's belief in a "sky god" or mocking cartoons of someone else's prophet is not something to be celebrated or encouraged among a community dedicated to inclusiveness, tolerance, and diversity.

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JFK on the role of religion in politics (Original Post) Damansarajaya May 2015 OP
When they stop trying to shove religion down my/our throats, I'll happily stop... MANative May 2015 #1
This is what I've been saying as well. PeaceNikki May 2015 #2
Heh, who signed DOMA? Damansarajaya May 2015 #5
And what does DOMA have to do with the price of beans at the grocery store? MANative May 2015 #8
That's easier than dealing with it . . . nt Damansarajaya May 2015 #9
WTF is there to "deal with"? MANative May 2015 #11
DOMA had nothing to do with religious belief? Damansarajaya May 2015 #14
Yep. beam me up scottie May 2015 #10
Same here! Initech May 2015 #13
It is up to the religious to keep their religion private. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #3
Context: Major Nikon May 2015 #4
Why is this so important to you, Major Nikon? Damansarajaya May 2015 #6
Yes Major Nikon May 2015 #7
I have to agree. Context matters wyldwolf May 2015 #12
Agree 100%. Great words from a good president. Thanks for the reminder. n/t freshwest May 2015 #15

MANative

(4,112 posts)
1. When they stop trying to shove religion down my/our throats, I'll happily stop...
Sun May 10, 2015, 03:14 PM
May 2015

my vocal opposition to it. Until then, my "mocking" is "free speech" in response to their "free speech." When it finally becomes "private" so will my thoughts on it.

MANative

(4,112 posts)
8. And what does DOMA have to do with the price of beans at the grocery store?
Sun May 10, 2015, 07:48 PM
May 2015

I smell another agenda. Bye bye.

MANative

(4,112 posts)
11. WTF is there to "deal with"?
Sun May 10, 2015, 08:22 PM
May 2015

They spew shit, I call them on it. DOMA is barely tangential to this discussion. Holy FSM.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
3. It is up to the religious to keep their religion private.
Sun May 10, 2015, 04:08 PM
May 2015

If the religious kept religion private, the rest of us would never bring it up.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
4. Context:
Sun May 10, 2015, 04:44 PM
May 2015

JFK was the first Catholic President. During his election, rumors were being spread that he would be taking orders from the pope, since the RCC often tries to influence politics by threatening to deny holy communion. This speech is intended to assure his constituency that's not the case.

We live in a society where politicians are compelled to express belief in a "sky god" or they are simply unelectable. This is still true today and even more so in JFK's time.

Mocking religion itself rather than religious people has zip to do with tolerance. If ideas can't stand up to ridicule, perhaps they just weren't that solid to begin with.

 

Damansarajaya

(625 posts)
6. Why is this so important to you, Major Nikon?
Sun May 10, 2015, 06:00 PM
May 2015

Will we have lower unemployment, better education and universal healthcare if you succeed in convincing everyone that their God is dead?

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
12. I have to agree. Context matters
Sun May 10, 2015, 08:24 PM
May 2015

From his stance on religion to his famous speech about being a liberal, context matters.

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