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Economic Justice vs Social Justice.If we focus on the first, then we will get the second. At least that is what I am told. Sorry, I don't believe that for a moment. Trickle down Justice will not work and that is a fact.
No. These are issues that need to be tied together. It is not one without the other.
People of Color
What will your economic justice buy you?
Will you fear less when your child leaves the house in the morning?
Will you no longer feel the need to have "The Talk" with your children?
Will your child no longer be profiled, staked and shot in the back, while the perp a cop gets off stock free because he feared for his life.
Will you no longer feel discriminated against when you apply for a job.
Will you freely have the right to vote with the ease of the white community.
Will this end?
The School-to-Prison Pipeline Starts in Preschool
Now that we have the niceties out of the way, lets talk about what really makes the school-to-prison pipeline the worst.
Henry Giroux on the School-to-Prison Pipeline
A study conducted by US Department of Education Office for Civil Rights shows that black preschoolers (yes, four and five year olds) make up almost half of all out-of-school suspensions for preschoolers. What any preschool student has to do in order to be suspended is beyond me. That said, black students are receiving the message at younger and younger ages that their behavior will be regarded differently, as inherently more disruptive and therefore more deserving of punishment. They are being denied the right to their formative years of education and socialization. And then we wonder why there is an education gap.
http://billmoyers.com/2014/03/31/the-school-to-prison-pipeline-starts-in-preschool/
LGBT
What will your economic justice buy you?
Will you be free to marry the one you love, freely and without fear?
Will you be able to express your sexual orientation at your job without fear of losing it.
Will you be able to walk down the street holding the hand the hand of the one you love without being assaulted?
Will you be able to adopt and raise the family you always wanted?
Will you have the right to be at the side of your beloved if they are hurt or dying.
Will this stop happening?
The title of the film is a reference to the generations of older LGBT people who remain in the closet or re enter the closet out of concern for their safety or quality of life. As a result of the documentary, the term Gen Silent has increased in use as a way to refer to this group.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024640026
~and this
What would you do if you were old, disabled or ill - and the person feeding you put down the spoon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017215990
Women
What will your economic justice buy you?
Will you finally be treated equally in what always has mans world?
Will you no longer fear being beaten by an abusive spouse or significant other.?
Will you no longer fear that lawmakers will refused to reauthorize VAWA?
Will you no longer fear being accused by the the people and the courts for your own rape?
Will you be allowed to control your own body, from abortion to birthcontrol decisions?
Will this stop happening?
Women or Objects?
The artists of Women or Objects? were Mahima Singh and the team from Youth safe (Dikshya Shah, Anusha Sapkota, Kabita Rai, Sanju Pariyar). The main message flown from this performance was to appeal to the people not to treat women just as mere objects and respect them and provide equal rights and dignity as their male counter parts.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025506241
No More
*************Trigger Warning****************
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026181710
I say no to Economic Justice without Social Justice. They stand together or they do not. Trickle down justice will not work.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)and thinks it's unimportant. I guess I missed that.
Oh, and try editing yourself a bit if you want more people to read your stuff.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Maybe some more pictures and references to racist christian men while complaining about Bernie Sanders would help.
sheshe2
(86,096 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But keep pedaling that swift boat of yours around in circles, I'm sure you'll get to shore eventually.
Just to be on the safe side though, you should pray for a good stiff breeze.
PS: even if you ever get proof that Bernie doesn't care about social justice (and you won't) your credibility will still be ruined.
Your thread associating a Jewish man whose family was wiped out in the Holocaust with racist slave owners and cops posing with a black man wearing antlers finished you as far as I'm concerned.
sheshe2
(86,096 posts)Keep the wind beneath your wings and fly~ fly away.
Lol~
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)sheshe2
(86,096 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Impressive.
Let me know if you actually post anything of substance.
sheshe2
(86,096 posts)I do believe it was, wait a sec.
Here ya go~
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I know who fights for my rights, I don't need you to 'spain it to me.
You don't speak for me.
ucrdem
(15,700 posts)Specifically this:
from: http://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/letter-to-united-states-trade-representative?inline=file
Evidently this is not even close to the truth:
Senator Sanders, like all Members of Congress, has full access to the draft TPP negotiating text and we look forward to working with him to review it," USTR spokesman Trevor Kincaid said. "Members of Congress, labor unions, non-profits, and environmentalists have all played an important role in shaping our approach to our trade policy. This includes Senator Sanders, whose input USTR has received on a dozen occasions on issues ranging from clean energy manufacturing to cheese."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/05/bernie-sanders-michael-froman-tpp_n_6419874.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013
Which is by way of saying that Senator Sanders has many good qualities but honest is perhaps not the best way to characterize him.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And he's the dishonest one?
If you guys are going to keep this up you should sell tickets.
ucrdem
(15,700 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)She said to tell you to stop "helping" her.
cali
(114,904 posts)is lacking any intellectual honesty. Senator after senator and Rep after Rep, have clearly stated that the extreme limitations on access are make the claim of access a hollow and cynical.
BainsBane
(54,052 posts)That was the point of my OP. You clearly think he is. That is the sort of attitude for which I have no respect. That sort of deference for authority, for great men above the people he represents is anti-democratic. You could make a case by providing evidence to contradict her point and show that Sanders is strong on those issues, but working to silence people because they dare to question a great man is simply wrong.
You don't speak for me either. I don't revere any politician above the people he seeks to represent, and I see a view that does as anti-egalitarian and anti-democratic. We are considering candidates to serve the people, not to be revered.
No wonder you couldn't articulate a critique of my OP. All you care about is promoting a single politician, a great man. Everything else is merely pretext for that incredibly narrow concern of reverence for a member of the political elite.
A politician is not a cause. He is a public servant. Placing any politician above the citizens is an odds with civic engagement and any kind of people's movement.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)My god do you ever let anything go?
It wasn't enough that you had your ass handed to you in your thread by Prism, now you're bringing that shit into this thread.
You were told repeatedly that your behaviour was extremely offensive and you refuse to see why your use of members of the AA forum as "research" for your pet project is despicable. Just because you deleted your comment doesn't mean people won't remember what you said.
Get a grip, you're making a spectacle out of yourself.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Logic equation:
A: Bernie Sanders has a platform advocating for both economic and social justice.
B: Because Bernie Sanders has a platform advocating for economic justice, he cannot support social justice.
C: This line of thought makes no logical sense whatsoever.
It's insane, it makes no sense whatsoever, and it is what makes me believe that everyone pushing this "if Bernie supports economic justice he cannot support social justice" crap is either totally full of Third Way corporatist bullshit, or is totally out of touch with reality.
Not one of them has ever made any effort to explain how and why it is impossible to support social justice and economic justice at the same time.
Which leaves me no choice but to believe that their argument is nothing but Third Way RW bullshit.
sheshe2
(86,096 posts)Here is something your team posted. Hmmmmmmmmmmm~
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026749264
Nite.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)given LAST NIGHT on mass incarcerations that speaks directly to social justice"....
QUESTION: We have a law enforcement quota, 34,000 immigrants are to be detained daily. Congress mandates that for a price tag of 2 billion dollars a year. About 60 percent of that is going to two corporations, Corrections Corporation of America and GEO. We are detaining people that present no threat, immediate threat to themselves or us. And then we see a certain Senator accepting campaign donations,
SANDERS: She's not talking about me so be clear (laughter and applause from audience)
QUESTION: then he's voting against his own comprehensive immigration reform bill. I would like to know would you help us shut down the for-profit prisons, would you you shift money away from detaining people to other more humane methods, immigration judges for examples and would you work for comprehensive immigration reform?
SANDERS: The answer is, yes, yes ,yes. Clearly one of the crises we face in our nation is that we have more people behind bars than any other country on earth China is a nation that is 3 or 4 times larger than us population wise, it is an authoritarian country Communist country, and we have far more people behind bars than does China. And what we do in our jails is we run a great educational system, we education people how to be even better criminals. So it seems to me that rather than spending huge amounts of money on jails and on private corporations who are incentivized to keep people in jail, it might make a lot more sense to spend money on job training and education so that people do not end up in jail in the first place. And yes I'm certainly in favor of comprehensive education reform.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026749264#post46
BTW, the rofl smilie is DU's white flag of surrender in a discussion.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)In fact, can't it be said that to do one well we MUST do the other?
That's my take, and I'm confident that some candidates rise to that challenge.
And, I'm sorry to say, saying one thing well, like being an outspoken supporter of POC, while not acting consistently on the other matter constitutes failure to truly represent.
You can't, for example, want single parent families to thrive on one hand and fight for fracking and outsourcing jobs on the other.
That's how I see it. I look at the whole candidate, their rhetoric and their record.
Let's keep fighting for those most in need.
sheshe2
(86,096 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)really clear.
sheshe2
(86,096 posts)I know you are a supporter, he is a good guy. Yet not for me.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i cant respect that.
sheshe2
(86,096 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Now you are taking an opinion piece as gospel and omg you are so disappointed and simply cannot believe Sanders would have a stance that is fabricated by a blogger.
If you think for one minute that anyone believes you are a Sanders supporter... please.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)Liberals fight for both because they are intertwined. The only segment of the Democratic Party that has pushed for one and not the other are self-described "centrists" who want Democratic votes and Wall Street money.
mattclearing
(10,095 posts)LostOne4Ever
(9,552 posts)PatrickforO
(14,950 posts)sheshe2
(86,096 posts)No. These are issues that need to be tied together. It is not one without the other".
These are my words.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)so far, I have not felt like supporting Bernie means sacrificing one for the other. I can't say the same about Hillary.
It's early, and yes, I want to hear more from Bernie on issues of social justice. And if he really doesn't address them then he will only be running to raise an important issue and not to seriously try and win the nomination or presidency. But I think and hope he will address them.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)that would be economics justice trickle down to social justice. (which was my fear)
This isn't an accidental oversight. These simply aren't issues Sanders is passionate about in the way he's passionate about economic injustice.
Sanders) became frustrated with his fellow student activists, who were more interested in race or imperialism than the class struggle.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026749264
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)If you've got proof he doesn't believe in social justice - post it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)reliable source? let me know.
i did not make up shit, .... i copy and pasted from someone who represents him, correct?
i will go back and look to see who it is. you know?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I was not implying that you made it up personally.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And it has been posted ad nauseum.
Violet_Crumble
(36,073 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Violet_Crumble
(36,073 posts)It was pointedly ignored and the accusation was moved into other threads and repeated again. I don't understand why there's a burning desire to try to paint a man who's been very strong on social issues as some sort of danger to the rights of women, LGBT and African Americans when that's obviously not so.
Have yrself a great weekend!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)His record speaks for itself, they can pretend it doesn't exist but they can't erase it.
You too.
ucrdem
(15,700 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I'm sick of seeing an honest man vilified because some people can't grow up.
ucrdem
(15,700 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)No one is buying it.
Well, no one who's actually read the damn thing.
YMMV
ucrdem
(15,700 posts)I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I dismiss all attempts to swift boat Democratic candidates.
ucrdem
(15,700 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)No facts, just an opinion from someone of no importance.
Reminded me of some ops around here lately.
ucrdem
(15,700 posts)http://www.vox.com/2015/5/27/8671135/bernie-sanders-race
Unless you want to deny that those are true, I think we'll simply have to disagree as to how they are interpreted.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Look, I'm not going to keep explaining this to you, I'm not stupid enough to fall for these right wing tactics when the Republicans use them, so please stop insulting my intelligence.
It. Didn't. Work.
ucrdem
(15,700 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You're welcome.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)as long as neoliberal economics hold sway. Everything that happened from the Seventies through the Nineties(when social gains pretty much just stopped) bears this out.
What is so terrible about saying we need both forms of justice?
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)It's stunning how a few dedicated people refuse to believe it. The only reason why it is being separated is to defend those who are horrible on economic issues. NOT the other way around.
And now we have coined a new DU term: Trickle Down Justice. How much more dishonest can you get?
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)sheshe2
(86,096 posts)Once again. Thank you yallerdawg.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)I bumped into BI here, and again we disagree, wonder of wonders!
sheshe2
(86,096 posts)Some don't want it seen.
Yes, BI and I have bumped into each other a time or two recently.
Guess you're back to take another whack at it. Nicer pictures this time, kudos.
sheshe2
(86,096 posts)WTF!
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And here you are framing economic and social justice in terms of "versus."
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Firstly, Sanders does address issues that effect the black community. In fact, he did last night. Committing to end for profit prisons and diverting the money we spend on the mass incarceration of people of color for education and job training. Scroll down where the actual quote is. That has been an effective an proven strategy in countries around the world.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12809724
So yes, as his campaign develops and he gives more speeches, he is talking about specific issues of concern in social justice. People are freaking out because he didn't cram it all into one speech. As I said in another thread, if he had been refusing to address the issue for six months, there would be a point. But he just announced this week and is starting with addressing economic inequality in a 35 minute speech.
Second, and most important, some people don't seem to understand that though he has a long history of civil rights activism, perhaps he doesn't try to sound like the next coming of MLK because he's NOT. Because white people co-opting the black struggle is OFFENSIVE. And most especially for political gain. He has no standing to act like an expert on people of color and neither does any other white person. But we all forget that Sanders IS part of a minority group.
To quote Bluenorthwest from last night http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6739633
Sanders is coming up with logical, legislative solutions to problems as that is truly the only possible route for a government official. He is famous for avoiding lying or campaign hyperbole. He is not making the soaring promises that obviously some people are accustomed to. The fact that people are demanding he change "optics"--for instance, busing in more people of color to Vermont, or hiring a few token minorities to say, Look! see! a dark person!--are actually perpetuating the damn cycle of lies that got us here in the first place.
As a post script, in case no one has noticed, we have an African American president who will be in office until January, 2017. How about we make the demand that he put his power behind racial justice, and most especially make bold steps to stop police murder and abuse right damn now before a single more person dies? That would be far more effective than anything a candidate could say. That's real.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I read it twice looking for the 'gotcha' that the op seems to think is there but I'm still not seeing it.
It's a couple of opinions strung together on a blog and reposted here like it proves Sanders isn't for social justice.
sheshe2
(86,096 posts)Maybe you should talk to them.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Maybe you should stop trying to pretend you've finally found some dirt on him.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I am arguing this division of economic and social justice because it is FAKE. It is harmful. It is harmful to say that we don't need to provide economic stability and a strong social safety net to all the people of this country and in particular those in disenfranchised communities. It is FAKE.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Because this needs to stand front and center:
Because white people co-opting the black struggle is OFFENSIVE. And most especially for political gain. He has no standing to act like an expert on people of color and neither does any other white person.[/i But we all forget that Sanders IS part of a minority group.
And this too,
As a post script, in case no one has noticed, we have an African American president who will be in office until January, 2017. How about we make the demand that he put his power behind racial justice, and most especially make bold steps to stop police murder and abuse right damn now before a single more person dies? That would be far more effective than anything a candidate could say. That's real.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I would like to hear some substantive arguments from people. So far, it's the same tactic over and over.
And BTW, the only reason why everyone gets to parse Sanders' announcement speech is because he actually gave one. So far, from HRC, we have a video with attractive black, brown and LGBT people so we're supposed to assume that that means she's all about social justice. I would say you can't make this shit up, but I guess you can.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)is manufactured outrage. They are not mutually exclusive.
Some people do not want to talk about quasi Republican 'centrist Democratic' economic policies, so they do this.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)sheshe2
(86,096 posts)Seriously? Manufactured outrage? How so?
is manufactured outrage.
Read this.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026749264
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)It is manufactured outrage because economic and social justice are not mutually exclusive. There is no 'vs'. It doesn't exist. It is made up by people who do not want to talk about war, domestic spying and quasi-Republican economic policies.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Obviousness is obvious.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)he believes aquiring social justice THRU economic justice.
not what you are saying.
stick the manufactured bullshit somewhere else. it does not belong on a democratic political board.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026749264
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)You do not get one without the other.
There is no 'vs'. They are not in competition.
Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #44)
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AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Without economic justice, that has social justice.
Name one country on earth, with social justice, but no economic justice.
There are none.
This is because they are not mutually exclusive, no matter what you say.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)It is far more accurate to say he believes social justice will come as a result of POLICY not platitudes.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)They most certainly are. Republicans found a way to trick middle class whites into believing social justice is only nonsense for minorities and women while driving a wedge between class struggle by promising them their own economic inequalities will be solved by tax cuts for the rich. And their trick has been working.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)You cannot have social justice without economic justice. The two are not mutually exclusive. You cannot have one without the other. What the Republicans do or say does not change this. There are no 'tricks' that separate them.
What the Republicans have done is take power away from we the people. They have done so by stealing all the money. Strip economic power from the people and give it to the oligarchy, and the oligarchy become powerful and take control. In order to keep a grip on power, they must quash civil rights. Things like the right to vote and civil rights. They buy elections.
This is how it works in the third world. This is what is happening in the USA.
When Democratic politicians buy into right wing economics, it feeds into the hands of the oligarchy, who become filthy rich at the expense of everyone else. Civil rights erode. Elections get bought. Social justice erodes. This is exactly what is happening now.
You cannot push for social justice while pushing right wing economic policies, because those same policies erode social justice. It is a catch 22, because they are not mutually exclusive.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)Good lord, I can't even believe we have to spell things out like this.
Just goes to show how far off course we've drifted.
It is a new wedge issue trying to get say to the 99%, "Hey, let's you and him fight."
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And you only started claiming it on the day sanders announced his candidacy. You'e spent the time since attacking and making insinuations against DU'ers - often the same DU'ers who's been on the same side as you on every issue you are now accusing us of "dismissing."
You're fucking right it's manufactured. And you're one of the ones manufacturing it. No one is dismissing social issues. Your claims are absolutely false, and the timing and targeting of them makes them clear campaign smears.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Response to sheshe2 (Original post)
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Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Getting more money means getting more power to change the problems around us. Economic inequality is power inequality, leaving all of the power in the hands of the few, allowing them to set the rules, write the laws. Having money gives one the time to spend on working for social change, as opposed to spending all of your time simply trying to survive.
nikto
(3,284 posts)Social Justice without an emphasis on Economic Justice as well, is hollow and incomplete,
just as the reverse would be.
Not because money buys stuff, but because money buys power. It buys education. It buys the power to stand up and be heard rather than working three or four jobs until you drop. It buys healthcare. It buys healthy food which has been blamed for the precipitous decline in mortality for PoC. The generational poverty of people of color is yet unbroken and leads to all kinds of abuse and disenfranchisement. Take Ferguson for example.
The wealth gap between whites, blacks and Latinos is jaw dropping and ANYONE who claims to care about people of color needs to acknowledge it.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)nikto
(3,284 posts)sheshe2
(86,096 posts)I said they stand together.
Reread the Op.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And Sanders hasn't come out against social justice.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)William769
(55,783 posts)I won't even begin to tell you how many people tried to throw the LGBT community under the bus back in 2008 over marriage equality telling us it's not our time, we will just have to wait. What a load of shit! No one should ever have to wait for social justice (especially in our own damn party! ). I still fume about that shit when I think about it. And yes many are still here.
I am not just speaking for the LGBT group but all Groups. I just mention LGBT because I am part of that group.
sheshe2
(86,096 posts)Because that is who I am. I understand where you are coming from William.
Yet I am an ally to many. I chose to put women last in this Op, not cause I think they are, yet I wanted to put others first. We have strong shoulders and we sure as hell are not the weaker sex. When you attain a goal with our support, I know without a shadow of a doubt, that you will be reaching your hand down to help us up as will PoC. We do this together.
None of us will be thrown under the bus or sent to the back of the bus ever again.
G_j
(40,420 posts)Last edited Sat May 30, 2015, 01:47 AM - Edit history (1)
and if we are going to keep debating about economic and social justice, we might remember that King considered militarism to also be key in the mix of injustices that this country needed/needs to face.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)G_j
(40,420 posts)Poor People's Campaign
The Poor People's Campaign was a 1968 effort to gain economic justice for poor people in the United States. It was organized by Martin Luther King, Jr. and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, and carried out under the leadership of Ralph Abernathy in the wake of King's assassination.
The Campaign demanded economic and human rights for poor Americans of diverse backgrounds. After presenting an organized set of demands to Congress and executive agencies, participants set up a 3000-person tent city on the Washington Mall, where they stayed for six weeks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_People%27s_Campaign
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Beyond Civil Rights
THE FIGHT AGAINST POVERTY & MILITARISM
After the successful voting rights march in Alabama, King was unable to garner similar support for his effort to confront the problems of northern urban blacks. Early in 1966 he, together with local activist Al Raby, launched a major campaign against poverty and other urban problems and moved his family into an apartment in Chicagos black ghetto. As King shifted the focus of his activities to the North, however, he discovered that the tactics used in the South were not as effective in Chicago.
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In December 1967 King announced the formation of the Poor Peoples Campaign, designed to prod the federal government to strengthen its antipoverty efforts. King and other SCLC workers began to recruit poor people and antipoverty activists to come to Washington, D.C., to lobby on behalf of improved antipoverty programs. This effort was in its early stages when King became involved in the Memphis sanitation workers strike in Tennessee.
- See more at: http://www.thekingcenter.org/beyond-civil-rights#sthash.iZdB2U3Q.dpuf
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)That economic policy has been used in the same way that Jim Crow laws were used to keep African Americans disenfranchised. That strong communities are made from jobs, fair housing, and thriving schools. There is a PROCESS to get there and I have YET to see the social justice warriors on DU give any idea of how to do it otherwise.
G_j
(40,420 posts)that this view was his evolution of understanding. I think he was one of, if not the greatest, American leader. We should listen to him. He doesn't have to be 'dead'. The evolution of understanding that King embarked on should be ours.
imho
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I have read quite a lot about how his ideas developed, including the writings of Gandhi and Tolstoy. The march to the sea in India to make salt was highly symbolic and Dr. King was very taken with the effectiveness of nonviolent confrontarion. The March on Washington was a mix of workers unions and civil rights leaders. Remember, the civil rights movement wasn't just Dr. King, there was quite a lot of incredible people who were a part of it. I am proud to say I have gotten to know Dr. Abernathy's (drop dead gorgeous) daughter in my film work. They knew that economic disenfranchisement was part of the struggle.
Here's more info
The impetus for a march on Washington developed over a long period of time, and earlier efforts to organize such a demonstration included the March on Washington Movement of the 1940s. A. Philip Randolphthe president of the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters, president of the Negro American Labor Council,[6] and vice president of the AFL-CIOwas a key instigator in 1941. With Bayard Rustin, Randolph called for 10,000 black workers to march on Washington, in protest of discriminatory hiring by U.S. military contractors and demanding an Executive Order.[14] Faced with a mass march scheduled for July 1, 1941, President Roosevelt issued Executive Order 8802 on June 25.[15] The order established the Committee on Fair Employment Practice and banning discriminatory hiring in the defense industry.[16] Randolph called off the March.[17]
Randolph and Rustin continued to organize around the idea of a mass march on Washington. They envisioned several large marches during the 1940s, but all were called off (despite criticism from Rustin).[18] Their Prayer Pilgrimage for Freedom, held at the Lincoln Memorial on May 17, 1957, featured key leaders including Adam Clayton Powell, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Roy Wilkins. Mahalia Jackson performed.[19]
The 1963 march was an important part of the rapidly expanding Civil Rights Movement, which involved demonstrations and nonviolent direct action across the United States.[20] 1963 also marked the 100th anniversary of the signing of the Emancipation Proclamation by Abraham Lincoln. Members of The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference put aside their differences and came together for the march. Many whites and blacks also came together in the urgency for change in the nation.
Violent confrontations broke out in the South: in Cambridge, Maryland; Pine Bluff, Arkansas; Goldsboro, North Carolina; Somerville, Tennessee; Saint Augustine, Florida; and across Mississippi. Most of these incidents involved white people retaliating against nonviolent demonstrators.[21] Many people wanted to march on Washington, but disagreed over how the march should be conducted. Some called for a complete shutdown of the city through civil disobedience. Others argued that the movement should remain nationwide in scope, rather than focus its energies on the capitol.[22] There was widespread perception that the Kennedy administration had not lived up to its promises in the 1960 election; King described Kennedy's race policy as "tokenism".[23]
The public failure of the BaldwinKennedy meeting on May 24, 1963, underscored the divide between the needs of Black America and the understanding of Washington politicians. But it also provoked the Kennedys to action on the civil rights issue.[24] On June 11, President John F. Kennedy gave his famous civil rights address on national television and radio, announcing that he would begin to push for civil rights legislationthe law which eventually became the Civil Rights Act of 1964. That night, Mississippi activist Medgar Evers was murdered in his own driveway, further escalating national tension around the issue of racial equality.[25]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_on_Washington_for_Jobs_and_Freedom
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)What we've been witnessing over the past 40 years is social justice taking a back-burner (since after the 60s) in favor of purely economic justice and it left all the oppressed behind because of it. Luckily there is a new group of activists rising up for social justice again in an attempt to not be left behind in the 21st century. Social justice and economic justice go hand in hand. It is a must.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)to live under bridges and scavenge for scraps.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And the rest of us need to be exceedingly suspicious of people who insist otherwise.
Cha
(302,810 posts)Hillary Clinton feels it. Brilliant illustrative OP, she!
From the link you provided above.. Wow.. I thought facts like these were verboten on DU! But, it came from a Bernie supporter.. I would imagine. Which I just K&Red.
"Why Bernie Sanders doesn't talk about race"
"But there's a reason I say "those progressives" instead of just "progressives": because not everyone in the Democratic base shares those particular passions, or those passions alone. For other progressives many of them black or Latino economic inequality is important, but so is racial inequality. They're extremely concerned about racial bias in policing, and about ending mass incarceration.They're concerned about the treatment of unauthorized immigrants, and about protecting voting rights (an issue like campaign finance where progressives are worried the integrity of the political system is at stake and where the outcome doesn't look good for them)."
"And Bernie Sanders doesn't speak to those concerns. He didn't mention those issues in his campaign launch yesterday, or in his email announcement to his supporters last month, and they're not on the issues page of his website."
Senator Sanders is very smart, though.. and I would think he'll learn all about Social Justice when he gets out on the campaign trail.
In the mean time there's not a thing wrong with pointing this out. I don't care what those who want to "coddle" him have to hammer about it.
little end snip//
"..She doesn't embody any single progressive passion the way Sanders embodies economic populism but it looks like she's responding to the progressive concerns Sanders has mostly ignored.."
sheshe2
(86,096 posts)Interesting that it was posted by a Bernie supporter and I am the one that is being called on it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026749264
You said~
In the mean time there's not a thing wrong with pointing this out. I don't care what those who want to coddle him have to hammer about it."
Yes, he has a lot to learn if he wished to be the President of all the people.
Cha
(302,810 posts)Bernie's Kickoff and then were soundly shouted down with accusations of calling Bernie "a Racist.. of course you experienced that too. smh
"Yes, he has a lot to learn if he wished to be the President of all the people." too true.. they learn as they go if they didn't know it already. We know President Obama had a lot to learn on the job and fast in some areas! Good thing he's a quick learner.
"Interesting that it was posted by a Bernie supporter and I am the one that is being called on it." I was thinking Posts #1 and #2 could benefit from that link..
To Social JUSTICE, she!
sheshe2
(86,096 posts)Plus that other thread is taking off, hmmmm. Not the way the poster expected.
PS William is back!
Love you Cha!
Cha
(302,810 posts)one kick to bring a thread back from dormancy.
Thank you for that link again.. I never would have thought a Bernie supporter would post something like that. I had actually seen a couple of days ago and I can't remember where?
P.S. I know, she! William!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=7527
Marr
(20,317 posts)How sleazy.
Not only a strawman, but a Dick Cheney-variety strawman. Plant the story then cite it.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I do think Bernie Sanders supports social justice. He has stood up for civil rights, LGBT rights, etc. I dislike these types of reactionary posts from both sides. Even though you didn't link the original post in the OP, you did eventually when someone asked which makes it meta. I've seen Clinton supporters bashing Sanders kick off for not doing this or not doing that and then turn around and cry about how badly she is being bashed. It's very hypocritical.
As for me personally, I have not fully made up my mind but have said I lean toward Sanders. It is still early and there are other candidates still entering the race that I'd like to learn about (whether I support them or not). Back in 2008 this choice was a lot easier for me and I am dreading this election because I believe it is going to be nothing but a stinky tub of shit.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I remember years ago an opponent tried to dig up dirt on Bernie by calling his ex-wife.
It backfired when she freaked out, let the guy have it and went public with the story.
Bernie doesn't run negative campaigns, the op could learn a lot from him.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I seriously dislike manipulative, deceptive spin. And I really fucking hate co-opting peoples' struggle to win points on a message board.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Violet_Crumble
(36,073 posts)I was reading it all from afar as there's some threads I won't post in and that was one of them
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I was totally blown away and had to let them know how I felt.
Violet_Crumble
(36,073 posts)A little bit of tweaking to make sure the OP wasn't addressed to an individual DUer and that'd be an OP that'd get an enthusiastic rec from me!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I'm a jaded cynic and that spoke to me.
I'm sure we're not alone, it would make the Greatest in no time.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Why I'm glad you asked. The simple answer is yes. Economic justice DOES in fact buy you LESS fear that your black or brown child will be beaten by the police, for example.
Do you doubt it?
sheshe2
(86,096 posts)No.
Did you address any of the issues? No.
One of the best parts of the Op was about the aging project. Damn, when I posted both those OP's I cried. We are a nation that is aging. Scarey, I know.
Yet to the LGBT community, it is terrifying. They are going back into the closet to get end of life care. They have to hide who they love and what they believe to be treated with some dignity as they leave this world. My heart breaks for them.
I honestly thought Democrats believed in helping people, raising up the less fortunate. So few of you even bothered commenting on the Op.
They are going back into the closet to survive and DU DOES NOT GIVE A SHIT!
Well, I would go on about my post on Women as well, yet why bother. Who gives a shit anyway. No On Absolutely No One.
DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND MY ASS!
Violet_Crumble
(36,073 posts)It was about economic vs social justice, no? It's just that's how you kicked off yr OP, so I guess that's what everyone else saw yr OP as being about.
So, here's a few comments on the OP from me.
1. This 'vs' thing is stupid. They both go hand in hand, imo. Living in a country where we're better off than the US in terms of both social and economic issues in many cases, I find it interesting that in the US there's this attempt to create a divide between the two. Shouldn't people find the issues of importance to them a priority solely because they're important issues that speak to them, and not because they're 'social justice' or 'economic justice'? I'm a single mum. When I was struggling the governments actions when it came to social security was fucking important to me coz I wouldn't have survived without government benefits. When I finally went back to work my wage and conditions were fucking important to me because I couldn't have survived without them. I didn't give a shit whether those things were a social or economic issue. All I knew was that they were really important stuff.
2. There's two candidates so far. Both are very strong on social issues. Shouldn't the focus be on the Republicans, rather than the attempts I've seen to portray Bernie Sanders as having the potential to take the US into the dark ages on social issues?
3. I liked yr OP better before you corrected the typo in the word 'tickle down'.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)I may pm you on this later.
Violet_Crumble
(36,073 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)ucrdem
(15,700 posts)I am suppose to be sleeping now!
ucrdem
(15,700 posts)As usual! Sleep well sheshe
calimary
(83,458 posts)You always make me think - and give me stuff to think about.
sheshe2
(86,096 posts)I work in a few hours and gotta go.
Thank you, wish others actually read what I wrote. Nope, don't write well yet I get a point or two out there.
So many came to crap on me yet never read my words. Ha. They saw who posted and came to dump on me.
I come to expect that.
Thanks calimary. I love you~
Nite.
calimary
(83,458 posts)Love you too, she!
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Let's see - food, clothing, shelter, transportation, health care. What all did I miss?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)When money talks, politicians listen. They ignore the poor.
Number23
(24,544 posts)You GO, girl.
sheshe2
(86,096 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)It's not either or. And anyone who doesn't grasp that basic, basic fact, is wholly incapable of any critical thinking.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Reservation. We run our own casinos and they have brought us a lot closer to economic justice. With that came social justice. Our situation is of course different. We did not have any jobs and were not being hired by the white establishment who had all the businesses - now we are the ones doing the hiring. And we hire everyone. We have used the economic justice to work on social justice.
That is where I am coming from when I say we need both. But we really are different - we have our own Native American police forces, our own social services and healthcare and our own governing body. We also run our own schools but most of our children still go to the public schools and because of the jobs we now have most of them graduate.
And the change in the last years have all started from being able to open up a real business that gave us a part in the community. That forced people around us to change their bigoted attitudes from the past and recognize us as real people. And I do need to say that on some of the more rural isolated reservations this has not happened.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Why the cynical dog whistle posts about a person with a lifetime of support for African Americans, LBGTs, Native Americans etc with inflammatory images and memes that convey the contrary, then, innocently proclaim-"Who me?" That never happened!! Wide Eyed Blink. Blink.
Also See: Swiftboating of John Kerry
Using tried and true dog whistle *tactics* to tear down a lifelong social justice ally to plant a *hostile to minorities* meme is beneath us all.
bigtree
(88,885 posts)...this one is thought-provoking, interesting, and extremely relevant.
Kudos to you, sheshe2, for hanging in there and clarifying in such an comprehensive way where you actually stand.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The most anyone has said is that you really can't get Social Justice without also having a movement for Economic Justice. Opponents of Economic Justice seldom support Social Justice(as the Nineties proved).
Victory to BOTH forms of justice...because both matter.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)-homophobic Salafist supremacists, that approves and protects of a regime that's seen a hundred transvestites and transsexuals murdered and whose police use rape as an instrument of policy, whose bigwigs have killed over 200 darkish peasants, where women's leaders are threatened daily, has absolutely no place in the party
fracking and a permanent state of war, the export rather than the opening of economic opportunity, exclusive and top-down politics, these things all strike down women and POC in disproportionate numbers, and anyone coyly advocating them should just GTFO