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peecoolyour

(336 posts)
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 03:29 PM Jun 2015

Hillary Clinton facing highest unfavorability ratings in 14 years: poll

The former secretary of state and 2016 candidate is facing her highest unfavorability ratings in 14 years, according to a new CNN/ORC poll released Tuesday.

The presumptive Democratic presidential frontrunner was viewed favorably by 46% of people polled, compared to 50% who said they had an unfavorable view of the former first lady.

Just two months ago, in an April CNN/ORC poll, 53% of those surveyed said they had a favorable view of Clinton, compared with 44% who said they viewed her unfavorably.

According to CNN/ORC, the public has not had such an unfavorable view of Clinton since March 2001, when Clinton had just begun serving as a U.S. senator for New York.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hillary-highest-unfavorability-ratings-14-years-poll-article-1.2243656
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Hillary Clinton facing highest unfavorability ratings in 14 years: poll (Original Post) peecoolyour Jun 2015 OP
Escalating negatives are a major problem with her candidacy. leveymg Jun 2015 #1
Isn't this to be expected? Once you enter the political fray, and begin taking positions, the.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #2
She needs at least 50.1% of the whole country to get elected. leveymg Jun 2015 #3
"Seems to be"? Let me just share this with ya. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #4
Actually this isn't true. Agschmid Jun 2015 #6
Given the variable of the Elect Coll, it is still true that one needs a majority of the public leveymg Jun 2015 #12
No she doesn't mythology Jun 2015 #9
California gets 1 electoral college vote for every 705,000 in population Major Nikon Jun 2015 #15
Yeah, yeah... pipoman Jun 2015 #27
Who is going to be the double digit 3rd? Yes, the right combination of states gets you to 270 TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #18
Actually with the electoral system, 50.1% of the popular votes does not guarantee a win...and... Sheepshank Jun 2015 #72
Yes, the Electoral College is a factor, as I acknowledge above. Basic point stands, however. leveymg Jun 2015 #76
I would think so. cyberswede Jun 2015 #5
She's taken positions? Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #25
Sounds like you & Fox News have the same problem. Media Matters explains why..... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #34
Okay, so I just read through the entire c-span transcript there, and the ONLY discernable "position" Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #36
Have you check out her official website, I mean if you're really as interested as you seem? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #42
No, you specifically compared me to FOX news because I questioned where the actual position Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #54
Yup. Go ahead and "wait". I'll be over here -------->>>>>>>> Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #55
translation: You know I'm right. All the cute smileys in the world aren't gonna change that. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #84
Did you check out her site yet? Since you seem really "concerned" about her positions. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #86
I'm looking at it right now. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #89
It can indeed, be rather difficult for many people to find easy-to-locate information on the web... LanternWaste Jun 2015 #75
Okay, then, you tell me where the actual policy positions are in this transcript. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #85
Since you are sincere and as such, as you state, skilled at locating information Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #90
Ha! You touched on it first... Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #81
Why would it matter? sendero Jun 2015 #94
Yes, why have them say anything at all? Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #95
Most of them do... sendero Jun 2015 #96
Her negatives have been trending up for awhile JonLP24 Jun 2015 #37
They've been trending up ever since she re-entered the political fray. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #45
I've been following the poll averages JonLP24 Jun 2015 #92
It's to be expected because she's been a celebrity for two decades. Orsino Jun 2015 #48
I wonder how many of those unfavorables are from the "pissed off progressives" crowd? DCBob Jun 2015 #7
24% self identifying liberals have a net negative view, according to Exilednight Jun 2015 #10
Well that definitely has an impact on the final number. DCBob Jun 2015 #19
I've never met a wingnut who will not admit that they're a tea bagger. Exilednight Jun 2015 #20
Teabaggers are indeed proud of their lineage. DCBob Jun 2015 #21
The Bush apologists are still out there. They're quite vocal too. Exilednight Jun 2015 #22
Virginia has Teabagger license plates. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2015 #28
No, actually most of us Independents TM99 Jun 2015 #29
I see Hillary's unfavorable numbers only gettin worse when she finally starts answerin questions & taking positions. Good thing we have Bernie! a real progressive to turn to. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #30
The right hates her. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #8
Independents aren't too fond of her. 55% unfavorable. Exilednight Jun 2015 #11
55%. Are those left leaning independents, tea party peeps, all of the above? nt. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #13
Self identified MOR unaffiliated independents. She has a 24% among Exilednight Jun 2015 #14
And many on the Left, like me, can't stand her either. It's just that people have forgotten... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #56
"And many on the Left, like me, can't stand her either." NCTraveler Jun 2015 #60
Many is not the same as Majority. I believe that quite a few people Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #63
ok. lol. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #66
Bill Clinton--not Hillary--appeared on Limbaugh's show. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #67
Too many incorrect personal assumptions to address. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #69
Audio of Clinton Limbaugh in 08? NCTraveler Jun 2015 #77
i am not worried. The media has been buying into the lies against her and you would expect some hrmjustin Jun 2015 #16
K & R L0oniX Jun 2015 #17
k&r AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #23
Thank God Reter Jun 2015 #24
Hillary will be #45 without you. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #26
Sounds like a winning slogan. peecoolyour Jun 2015 #31
Love ya DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #33
PPP: "On the Democratic side Hillary Clinton continues to be dominant..." brooklynite Jun 2015 #32
You better wake up. Her unfavorable with middle-of-the-road independents is 55%. She needs to win Exilednight Jun 2015 #35
Yet.. she leads all GOP candidates. DCBob Jun 2015 #38
by ever smaller margins cali Jun 2015 #39
Don't worry.. she'll win. DCBob Jun 2015 #40
Cause that's a winning strategy. Calista241 Jun 2015 #49
She is leaps and bounds better than anyone in the GOP clown car. DCBob Jun 2015 #50
yeah, because GOP losers never win cali Jun 2015 #52
Yes. they could win. DCBob Jun 2015 #53
Only while there is 12+ running. Once they're down to one the real numbers emerge. Exilednight Jun 2015 #41
Yes, and then most likely her numbers will improve. DCBob Jun 2015 #43
Actually, she'll take a bigger hit. Negative campaigning works. Exilednight Jun 2015 #44
They are already doing it now and she is handling it quite well. DCBob Jun 2015 #46
She should know all about negative campaigning the way she ran her despicable Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #58
"She's a monster!" DCBob Jun 2015 #59
That's what she is: A monster! I don't care if she's a Democrat, Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #61
Chill out. She is not a monster. Good grief. DCBob Jun 2015 #62
I will never shut up. I will NEVER back down. And I will never "CHILL OUT" Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #64
Ignorance is bliss. DCBob Jun 2015 #65
bwah, haa, haa Sheepshank Jun 2015 #74
When it comes to racists, fuck all ya'll! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #78
so add a steaming pile to the melodrama Sheepshank Jun 2015 #82
LOL! I'm glad you think it's funny. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #83
what was that statement I'd read on DU earlier.... Sheepshank Jun 2015 #73
They haven't even started yet. They're she wins the primary so they can unleash on her. Benghazi and Exilednight Jun 2015 #68
What drama! You should write a political novel. It would be entertaining. DCBob Jun 2015 #71
It's also assumes the Clintons don't know how to fight. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #87
Right.. no doubt the Clintons know how to fight back when attacked. DCBob Jun 2015 #91
On Facebook the Obama haters have switched to hrc...almost like coordinated dembotoz Jun 2015 #47
Love Obama. I hate this witch! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #79
Hillary is politically "too long in the tooth" to win. earthside Jun 2015 #51
This is a problem with political dynasties. JEB Jun 2015 #57
Yawn. Wake me up next year when this matters. Arkana Jun 2015 #70
Hmmm. Guess she's not likable enough after all. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #80
This is CNN bs too! ananda Jun 2015 #88
But..but...she's slaughtering Paul 48-47 and Walker and Rubio 49-46!! Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #93

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
1. Escalating negatives are a major problem with her candidacy.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 03:35 PM
Jun 2015

Same pattern as 2008. The closer she came to becoming the candidate, the higher her negatives escalated. Worse, the intensity of dislike also increased.

Fortunately, Obama was also running. Democrats may not be so fortunate this time.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
2. Isn't this to be expected? Once you enter the political fray, and begin taking positions, the....
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 03:35 PM
Jun 2015

numbers change. The fact that you guys need to grasp at every straw is quite telling. She doesn't need the whole country to win the primary. Remember that.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
3. She needs at least 50.1% of the whole country to get elected.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 03:38 PM
Jun 2015

Don't rest satisfied that she still seems to be the presumptive candidate. That doesn't make her President.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
4. "Seems to be"? Let me just share this with ya.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 03:47 PM
Jun 2015
Vox: "It's time for the media to admit that Hillary Clinton is popular"
Updated by Matthew Yglesias on June 1, 2015, 8:30 a.m.


Quinnipiac is out with a new poll that confirms something the national media is loathe to admit, and that essentially never surfaces in their coverage of one of the most-covered people in the world today: Hillary Clinton is the most popular politician in America.

Hillary Clinton is the most popular politician in America

It would be genuinely silly to think that her early leads in general election polling tell us anything interesting about what will happen in November 2016. But they tell us a lot about how people feel in May 2015, and the way they feel is pretty good about Hillary Clinton.

According to Gallup, for example, she is the most admired woman in the world. What's more, she has been the most admired woman in the world for 17 out of the past 18 years.

Journalists don't like Hillary Clinton

But the press hates to admit this. For Clinton, good news is never just good news. Instead it's an opportunity to remind the public about the media's negative narratives about Clinton and then to muse on the fact that her ratings somehow manage to hold up despite these narratives.

Here's how the Wall Street Journal wrote up an earlier poll showing Clinton beating all opponents:


Hillary Clinton's stature has been battered after more than a month of controversy over her fundraising and email practices, but support for her among Democrats remains strong and unshaken, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds.


http://www.vox.com/2015/6/1/8676727/hillary-clinton-popularity

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
6. Actually this isn't true.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 03:52 PM
Jun 2015

Electoral college is fickle and IMO outdated, I'd love to see a popular vote but we don't have one.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
12. Given the variable of the Elect Coll, it is still true that one needs a majority of the public
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 05:07 PM
Jun 2015

The general point is valid. Negatives that exceed positives are a problem, as are trending negatives, and intense negatives that repeatedly afflict Hillary's presidential campaigns.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
9. No she doesn't
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 03:58 PM
Jun 2015

You don't even need 50.1% of the people who bother to vote. You need enough concentrated votes to get 270 electoral college votes. Bill Clinton didn't break 50% in either election and Bush won (such as it was) while getting fewer votes than Gore.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
15. California gets 1 electoral college vote for every 705,000 in population
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 06:13 PM
Jun 2015

North Dakota gets 1 electoral college vote for every 246,000 people. So effectively a person's vote in North Dakota is 3 times more powerful than a vote in California.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
27. Yeah, yeah...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:45 PM
Jun 2015

As stated above 270 electoral votes are needed. California has 55 electoral votes 20% of the needed votes.... North Dakota has 3 or 1.1% of the needed votes.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
18. Who is going to be the double digit 3rd? Yes, the right combination of states gets you to 270
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 06:49 PM
Jun 2015

but in a two way race you are certain to need about 50% to win and almost always over but it is possible to be under SLIGHTLY and win.

Bush v Gore is not one I'd use as a model either, can't depend on a Supreme Court case so dubious that even the corrupt court stated the situation shouldn't be considered precedent.

You don't have many clear ways to win that closely for it to be sound strategy. The more ways you have to put together 270+ you have the more likely it is to win, it is foolhardy to follow the TeaPubliKlans down the narrow win path, it is an amazingly strong advantage to give up and if both parties game plan like that, I believe they gain the advantage.

Technically correct but not strategically so, too high a once in a blue moon factor.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
72. Actually with the electoral system, 50.1% of the popular votes does not guarantee a win...and...
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:32 PM
Jun 2015

49.8% of the popular vote may crown the winner.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
76. Yes, the Electoral College is a factor, as I acknowledge above. Basic point stands, however.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:46 PM
Jun 2015

Hillary is going to have a difficult path to victory in the general if she continues to have extremely high negatives.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
36. Okay, so I just read through the entire c-span transcript there, and the ONLY discernable "position"
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 04:34 AM
Jun 2015

I could pull out of there is, she supports equal pay.

(I mean aside from the wonkish policy statements like "the middle class needs a champion", right up there with "empower communities and families" in terms of feel-good meaningless pablum... is media matters seriously suggesting that "pushing for civility and coalition-building" is a policy position????)

http://www.c-span.org/video/?326259-1/hillary-clinton-remarks-columbia-south-carolina

But... Why don't you read it, and tell me where all the concrete policy proposals are? Maybe I'm missing something.





Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
54. No, you specifically compared me to FOX news because I questioned where the actual position
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 11:02 AM
Jun 2015

statements were.

And you specifically linked to that particular presentation, through the media matters story.

... (and I quote; "media matters explains why&quot

So go ahead. Explain WHY. You go through the transcript, and make a list of all the SPECIFIC policy position statements that she made in there.

(And no, "pushing for civility and coalition-building" isn't a specific policy proposal)

I'll wait.*

Like I said, there is MAYBE one. At best.



*or, you could just admit you were wrong, and apologize, particularly for the part about comparing me to FOX News. Should I wait for that?

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
55. Yup. Go ahead and "wait". I'll be over here -------->>>>>>>>
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:09 PM
Jun 2015


I didn't think you were really interested, so I attempted to respond in the manner I thought your one liner deserved.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
84. translation: You know I'm right. All the cute smileys in the world aren't gonna change that.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 05:27 PM
Jun 2015

This was what you posted:

34. Sounds like you & Fox News have the same problem. Media Matters explains why.....

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/05/28/hillary-clinton-spoke-about-policy-positions-bu/203799



There aren't any policy positions in that entire speech she gave, other than equal pay.

So actually media matters was off base. Sure, making fun of FOX for focusing on HRC's accent- fine, but to say they "ignored her policy position statements"... they're not there.


Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
86. Did you check out her site yet? Since you seem really "concerned" about her positions.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 05:41 PM
Jun 2015

Or did you just want to engage in some more futile internet fisticuffs for shits & giggles? If you're actually serious, the address is hillaryclinton.com. Knock yourself out.

I SURRENDER, YOU WIN!!!!!!!! Warren DeMontague and Fox & Friends bear no resemblance whatsoever. There, I hope that finishes this exchange, unless you feel the need to have the last word. Go for it.






Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
89. I'm looking at it right now.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 06:22 PM
Jun 2015

I see "bio" "events" "states" "donate"

No tab for "issues".

I can't find the spot on the site where she lists her specific policy proposals, no.

Look... and I'm not trying to hammer this into the ground, if she's the nominee I'll support her, hell, I may even support her in the Primaries, but- and this is the crux of the biscuit, here- she needs to have a more comprehensive, specific answer for what she intends to do as POTUS beyond "empower communities and families"...

is the problem that her supporters think "Everyday Americans need a champion- I want to be that champion" actually IS a specific policy position?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
75. It can indeed, be rather difficult for many people to find easy-to-locate information on the web...
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:44 PM
Jun 2015

It can indeed, be rather difficult for many people to find easy-to-locate information on the web... good luck with that in the future.

No doubt, sincerity makes the information easier to locate.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
85. Okay, then, you tell me where the actual policy positions are in this transcript.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 05:28 PM
Jun 2015
http://www.c-span.org/video/?326259-1/hillary-clinton-remarks-columbia-south-carolina

Because just like "FOX News", I missed it.

34. Sounds like you & Fox News have the same problem. Media Matters explains why.....

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/05/28/hillary-clinton-spoke-about-policy-positions-bu/203799



Like I said, I found ONE. Equal Pay.

And if the policy positions are "on her website", then why did he post a link to the media matters piece first?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
90. Since you are sincere and as such, as you state, skilled at locating information
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jun 2015
http://hillaryclinton.com

Perhaps you can help me out; where are the specific issue and policy positions there?

As you know, I'm a "half wit"... that's probably why I can't seem to find them. Someone as erudite and well-spoken as yourself should have no problem.

Just let me know, when you do, okay?
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
81. Ha! You touched on it first...
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 03:21 PM
Jun 2015

Unfortunately, Hillary encapsulates what the Democratic Party has become: A Party of "we're with you, sort of; I kind of believe, on-the-other-hand; we should work together, you know, and move forward on... on... Gun control (I knew we had one in there somewhere)."

If you don't define yourself, someone else will, hence the chronic negatives.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
94. Why would it matter?
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:53 AM
Jun 2015

A "position" taken by a politician at that level is merely a campaign choice. It will carry no weight whatsoever should the positioner get elected.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
45. They've been trending up ever since she re-entered the political fray.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 08:17 AM
Jun 2015
Vox: "It's time for the media to admit that Hillary Clinton is popular"
Updated by Matthew Yglesias on June 1, 2015, 8:30 a.m.

Quinnipiac is out with a new poll that confirms something the national media is loathe to admit, and that essentially never surfaces in their coverage of one of the most-covered people in the world today: Hillary Clinton is the most popular politician in America.

Hillary Clinton is the most popular politician in America
It would be genuinely silly to think that her early leads in general election polling tell us anything interesting about what will happen in November 2016. But they tell us a lot about how people feel in May 2015, and the way they feel is pretty good about Hillary Clinton.

According to Gallup, for example, she is the most admired woman in the world. What's more, she has been the most admired woman in the world for 17 out of the past 18 years.

Journalists don't like Hillary Clinton

But the press hates to admit this. For Clinton, good news is never just good news. Instead it's an opportunity to remind the public about the media's negative narratives about Clinton and then to muse on the fact that her ratings somehow manage to hold up despite these narratives.

Here's how the Wall Street Journal wrote up an earlier poll showing Clinton beating all opponents:


Hillary Clinton's stature has been battered after more than a month of controversy over her fundraising and email practices, but support for her among Democrats remains strong and unshaken, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6768701

BS is already complaining about the media. If they ever take him seriously, they'll begin to cover him in less than glowing terms. Clinton has been in the news since before her husband's administration, and Matt is right, "Journalists don't like Hillary Clinton", and it impacts how she's covered.

Fortunately, in most states, Independents don't vote in our party's primaries. It will be Democrats who choose our nominee, and she's extremely popular with "Democrats". Them's the breaks.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
92. I've been following the poll averages
Thu Jun 4, 2015, 11:37 AM
Jun 2015

It is about 48.3% unfavorable now down to 45.3%
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

This is from April

?w=1024
Hillary Clinton is extremely well-known, but her favorability ratings are now only break-even: 46 percent favorable and 45 percent unfavorable. These are nearly identical to President Obama’s ratings, which are 48 percent favorable and 46 percent unfavorable.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-begins-the-2016-campaign-and-its-a-toss-up/

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
48. It's to be expected because she's been a celebrity for two decades.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 08:55 AM
Jun 2015

Her greatest strength is here being spun as some sort of negative.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
7. I wonder how many of those unfavorables are from the "pissed off progressives" crowd?
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 03:52 PM
Jun 2015

I suspect quite a large number. Too bad they skew that number then the media jumps on it like it really means something.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
19. Well that definitely has an impact on the final number.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 07:02 PM
Jun 2015

That independent number is high but I suspect most of those are ashamed Republicans pretending to be Independents.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
21. Teabaggers are indeed proud of their lineage.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 07:08 PM
Jun 2015

Im talking about the moderate Republicans who were embarrassed by Bush/Cheney.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
28. Virginia has Teabagger license plates.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:52 PM
Jun 2015


I didn't know that, and was highly amused as I drove through the state recently.

Dumbasses.
 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
29. No, actually most of us Independents
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:07 PM
Jun 2015

are ashamed of both parties not ourselves.

Neither captures the totality of our principles, positions, and political philosophy. I am left leaning so yes, I tend to vote for Greens over Libertarians and Democrats over Republicans. But if you believe that all Independents are just Republicans, you are in for a rude awakening.

We will, as always, decide this election. Clinton polling this unfavorably with Independents is not good for her at all.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
30. I see Hillary's unfavorable numbers only gettin worse when she finally starts answerin questions & taking positions. Good thing we have Bernie! a real progressive to turn to.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:13 PM
Jun 2015
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
8. The right hates her.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jun 2015

Last edited Tue Jun 2, 2015, 05:23 PM - Edit history (1)

Democrats love her. This is shown in poll after poll.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
56. And many on the Left, like me, can't stand her either. It's just that people have forgotten...
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:14 PM
Jun 2015

....why they disliked her in the first place. I've always known and for very valid reasons, too.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
60. "And many on the Left, like me, can't stand her either."
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:34 PM
Jun 2015

I would never argue against that. I will say the word "many" is very ambiguous. It often gives the illusion of majority even though it shouldn't. Those on the left who strongly dislike her are the minority. Without asking, I am going to assume you have a vastly different ideology than Hillary. That is fair and I have no issue with it. Just as your reasons for disliking her are most likely very valid. She has given reason for pause. Well, some actions she has taken part in deserve a little more than pause.

Point is, my post is accurate. Thousands upon thousands can make the same reply you did. That does not make a majority or even close to one. I'm not saying you said it did. Just pointing out that you had to say you dislike her and you are part of the left when I made no comment that she has one hundred percent support from the left. It's more in the 80+ percent range when being discussed in American politics. The right hates here with a passion. A minority on the left have a strong dislike of her.

On another note, those using Andrew Malcolm to attack her have not forgotten why they don't like her. They are right wingers.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
63. Many is not the same as Majority. I believe that quite a few people
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:47 PM
Jun 2015

dislike Hillary Clinton. I don't know how old you were, but back during the 90s, her favorability ratings were never incredibly high--even among Democrats. It wasn't until the Monica Lewinsky scandal that people became more sympathetic. And admittedly the witch trial that Republicans were on against the Clintons increasingly backfired and Hillary became more popular. When she announced her run for the U.S. Senate, her favorability ratings were the highest they'd ever been!

When Obama announced his candidacy, Hillary Clinton didn't have a thing to worry about. Her personal numbers were off the charts, and yes, the MAJORITY of black Americans loved and supported her--mostly because they love and support Bill Clinton (why, I never understood). Anyway, it wasn't until Obama started to gain traction on Hillary, even beating her in early primaries/caucuses that her husband and surrogates began employing subtly racist dog whistles that worked to divide the Democratic Party. And then her comments about Martin Luther King, Jr. and LBJ was the last straw. Many black voters starting to move away from Hillary Clinton and toward Obama.

As campaigning went on and as she continued to lose support, the scorched earth politics became more racist and disgusting. Going on Limbaugh's show and laughing it up with O'Reilly on Faux News--absolutely despicable.

This woman WAS/IS a monster!

Anyone who would invoke Republican Southern Strategy, racist politics that, to this day, divide the party...IS a monster!

As we move into the campaigning season, I suspect that people will begin to remember why they disliked this woman and the Clintons in general. I suspect that they will be reminded of the disgusting (and unorganized) campaign she and her team ran. I suspect that voters will be reminded of how she and her husband tend to put their interests before anything else. Oh yes. People will begin to remember why they dislike her, and those here who rather than deal with the truth bash me and others who do not support the Clintons, well, when we wake up on a Wednesday morning in November 2016 and find that we have an entire government ran by ReThugs, please don't blame us who tried to warn you.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
66. ok. lol.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:56 PM
Jun 2015

You have some great lines in there. Classics. Do you have a link to the audio of her on Limbaughs show? That should be a classic to hear considering Rush says her only worth to him is to press his pants.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
67. Bill Clinton--not Hillary--appeared on Limbaugh's show.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:11 PM
Jun 2015

That was my fault. But have you forgotten, or are you deliberately missing all of my points because you don't want to face the facts?

If you're just going to dismiss anything I say, I might as well put you on IGNORE, too.

Listen, the problem with the Democratic Party, which has always been the problem is that it takes black voters for granted.

You laugh, you mock, you ridicule black voters.

You tell us to shut up and just vote for the Democratic Party candidate.

You dismiss our concerns.

I'm sorry, but I will not back down. I won't shut up. I won't go away. I, and many other people of color on DU who are trying to speak out, will not be dismissed just because it is inconvenient for your hero's campaign; or, because we can't discuss racism.

I see how you dismiss any discussion of race or what actually happened in 2008.

That's o.k., though. The Democratic Party is in for a rude awakening because there are quite a few black voters I know who are either planning to stay home or not support Hillary at all and just vote down-ticket candidates.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
69. Too many incorrect personal assumptions to address.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:17 PM
Jun 2015

It would literally take more time than I am willing to put in to correct all of your inaccurate personal assumptions. I have never said, inferred, or otherwise taken part in just about every single thing you claimed I have. Go for the ignore. Drop me a link of the audio of old Bill on the Rush Limbaugh show. That should be great considering the disgusting hate Rush has thrown at his wife for the last couple of decades.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
77. Audio of Clinton Limbaugh in 08?
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jun 2015

I would really like to hear what Bill had to say to him considering this is what Rush says about Hillary.

LIMBAUGH: I found myself in an elevator with Mrs. Clinton once. It was at a wedding, Brooklyn, doors locked, she hits the stop button. She said, Oh Rush, I've wanted to see you for so long, and nobody would believe it. Would you, would you make a real woman out of me? I said, Sure, let's take off our clothes. So I took mine off, and I pointed and I said, Now fold them.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
16. i am not worried. The media has been buying into the lies against her and you would expect some
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 06:15 PM
Jun 2015

slipping in her numbers.

brooklynite

(94,520 posts)
32. PPP: "On the Democratic side Hillary Clinton continues to be dominant..."
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:20 PM
Jun 2015
On the Democratic side Hillary Clinton continues to be dominant at 63% to 14% for Bernie Sanders, 6% for Martin O'Malley, and 3% each for Lincoln Chafee and Jim Webb. Clinton's actually polling even higher than in January when we found her at 58%, although Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren were being included in the candidate mix at that time. Clinton is polling over 60% with liberals, moderates, women, African Americans, and young voters and over 50% with men, whites, and seniors.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/bernie-sanders/


Wake me when something interesting happens.....

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
35. You better wake up. Her unfavorable with middle-of-the-road independents is 55%. She needs to win
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 04:15 AM
Jun 2015

Them to win a general election, and that number is only going to get worse.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
39. by ever smaller margins
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 05:48 AM
Jun 2015

she's going to lose us the White House. I blame her- and people who are obdurately blind to her fatal flaws as a candidate.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
43. Yes, and then most likely her numbers will improve.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 08:10 AM
Jun 2015

Right now the RW attacks are focused solely on Hillary since she is the presumed Dem nominee. Once the GOP nominee is clear then the Democratic/Clinton attack machine will get into gear.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
58. She should know all about negative campaigning the way she ran her despicable
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:27 PM
Jun 2015

and disgustingly racist one in 2008.

This woman is not a victim! She's a monster! A self-entitled one, too.

And her fanatics and cheerleaders are making the same mistakes they made back then: assuming she's a shoo-in, no one should dare question her or her husband's deplorable politics, and that she's inevitable against the right wing machine.

You guys were wrong in 2008 and you may be wrong next year.

I won't be supporting any Clinton, that's for damn sure!

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
61. That's what she is: A monster! I don't care if she's a Democrat,
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:36 PM
Jun 2015

Independent, or Republican.

Respond to what I wrote and why I think she's a monster.

She ran an incredibly racist, mean-spirited campaign in 2008. Many black folk are not happy with her or any of the Democratic Party candidates.

Her warmongering, pro-wealthy stances makes it all the more harder to support her.

And, let's not talk about her lying, philandering husband...not to mention, his horrid policies that continue to have adverse impact on the black community as a whole.

I can't stand the Clintons.

They are good friends and adopted members of the Bush family. Let them become ReThugs and be done with them.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
64. I will never shut up. I will NEVER back down. And I will never "CHILL OUT"
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:50 PM
Jun 2015

Not about this! And not about something that I believe in.

This woman IS a monster.

You are not addressing her racism. You are ignoring and dismissing this.

She IS a monster.

And now you are on IGNORE!!

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
73. what was that statement I'd read on DU earlier....
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:38 PM
Jun 2015

...oh yeah, it was that there are no vitriolic and hyperboollic statments made against HRC. Well...confirmed lol

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
68. They haven't even started yet. They're she wins the primary so they can unleash on her. Benghazi and
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:16 PM
Jun 2015

The emails are just scraps to keep the base tasting a bit of blood before they start carving her up and throwing chunks to the hyenias.

They've had 12 long years to prepare for her. They started preparing for her during Bush's last four believing she would be the nominee in 2008, but Obama threw a wrench into that plan. Now they've had an additional eight.

You don't think they're ready to make her look even more incompetent than she makes herself look?

I, almost, feel sorry for you if she wins the primary and then knowing she's going to lose the GE. The only thing that stops me from feeling sorry for you is the fact that you have been warned what to expect.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
71. What drama! You should write a political novel. It would be entertaining.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:22 PM
Jun 2015

BTW, keep your sympathy.. Im sure I wont need it.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
87. It's also assumes the Clintons don't know how to fight.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 05:48 PM
Jun 2015

Last I counted they were 10-2 or 11-2 in their battles against the Rethugs including when the Clinton rolled them in the impeachment drama.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
91. Right.. no doubt the Clintons know how to fight back when attacked.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 08:27 PM
Jun 2015

I dont take these folks too seriously.. they are just pissed off because they want a more progressive candidate. They will get over it once it gets down to Hillary and someone from the GOP clown car.

dembotoz

(16,802 posts)
47. On Facebook the Obama haters have switched to hrc...almost like coordinated
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 08:28 AM
Jun 2015

Pretty damn strange
Similar themes. Wording...very stepford

earthside

(6,960 posts)
51. Hillary is politically "too long in the tooth" to win.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 09:41 AM
Jun 2015

I've never had any doubt about it ... since the end of the 2014 election, I've maintained that Hillary Clinton would rise and fall before the Democratic Party primary season was even half over.

Too much political baggage, too much love of money, too much familiarity, too many scandals, too much everything will weigh down and sink a second Hillary presidential nomination candidacy.

She doesn't have a signature issue, she doesn't have zeal, she is rather boring on the stump -- all she's got, frankly, is a last name.

Except for her diehard supporters, I suspect that no one is particularly surprised that in the face of a genuinely progressive opponent like Bernie Sanders, she immediately begins to shrink and shrink and shrink.

Watch and see -- the further she slides, the more the corporate consultants she surrounds herself with will over-program her and, just like in 2008, she will become an even worse candidate.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
57. This is a problem with political dynasties.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:20 PM
Jun 2015

Entrenched and ready-made attacks. Vitriol carry over. Continuously re-fighting old battles. Difficult for the candidate to move forward. Difficult for the citizens to move forward.

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