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The presumptive Democratic presidential frontrunner was viewed favorably by 46% of people polled, compared to 50% who said they had an unfavorable view of the former first lady.
Just two months ago, in an April CNN/ORC poll, 53% of those surveyed said they had a favorable view of Clinton, compared with 44% who said they viewed her unfavorably.
According to CNN/ORC, the public has not had such an unfavorable view of Clinton since March 2001, when Clinton had just begun serving as a U.S. senator for New York.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hillary-highest-unfavorability-ratings-14-years-poll-article-1.2243656
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Same pattern as 2008. The closer she came to becoming the candidate, the higher her negatives escalated. Worse, the intensity of dislike also increased.
Fortunately, Obama was also running. Democrats may not be so fortunate this time.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)numbers change. The fact that you guys need to grasp at every straw is quite telling. She doesn't need the whole country to win the primary. Remember that.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Don't rest satisfied that she still seems to be the presumptive candidate. That doesn't make her President.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)Updated by Matthew Yglesias on June 1, 2015, 8:30 a.m.
Quinnipiac is out with a new poll that confirms something the national media is loathe to admit, and that essentially never surfaces in their coverage of one of the most-covered people in the world today: Hillary Clinton is the most popular politician in America.
Hillary Clinton is the most popular politician in America
It would be genuinely silly to think that her early leads in general election polling tell us anything interesting about what will happen in November 2016. But they tell us a lot about how people feel in May 2015, and the way they feel is pretty good about Hillary Clinton.
According to Gallup, for example, she is the most admired woman in the world. What's more, she has been the most admired woman in the world for 17 out of the past 18 years.
Journalists don't like Hillary Clinton
But the press hates to admit this. For Clinton, good news is never just good news. Instead it's an opportunity to remind the public about the media's negative narratives about Clinton and then to muse on the fact that her ratings somehow manage to hold up despite these narratives.
Here's how the Wall Street Journal wrote up an earlier poll showing Clinton beating all opponents:
Hillary Clinton's stature has been battered after more than a month of controversy over her fundraising and email practices, but support for her among Democrats remains strong and unshaken, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds.
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/1/8676727/hillary-clinton-popularity
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Electoral college is fickle and IMO outdated, I'd love to see a popular vote but we don't have one.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)The general point is valid. Negatives that exceed positives are a problem, as are trending negatives, and intense negatives that repeatedly afflict Hillary's presidential campaigns.
mythology
(9,527 posts)You don't even need 50.1% of the people who bother to vote. You need enough concentrated votes to get 270 electoral college votes. Bill Clinton didn't break 50% in either election and Bush won (such as it was) while getting fewer votes than Gore.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)North Dakota gets 1 electoral college vote for every 246,000 people. So effectively a person's vote in North Dakota is 3 times more powerful than a vote in California.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)As stated above 270 electoral votes are needed. California has 55 electoral votes 20% of the needed votes.... North Dakota has 3 or 1.1% of the needed votes.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)but in a two way race you are certain to need about 50% to win and almost always over but it is possible to be under SLIGHTLY and win.
Bush v Gore is not one I'd use as a model either, can't depend on a Supreme Court case so dubious that even the corrupt court stated the situation shouldn't be considered precedent.
You don't have many clear ways to win that closely for it to be sound strategy. The more ways you have to put together 270+ you have the more likely it is to win, it is foolhardy to follow the TeaPubliKlans down the narrow win path, it is an amazingly strong advantage to give up and if both parties game plan like that, I believe they gain the advantage.
Technically correct but not strategically so, too high a once in a blue moon factor.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)49.8% of the popular vote may crown the winner.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Hillary is going to have a difficult path to victory in the general if she continues to have extremely high negatives.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Did her numbers change last time she ran for prez?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I could pull out of there is, she supports equal pay.
(I mean aside from the wonkish policy statements like "the middle class needs a champion", right up there with "empower communities and families" in terms of feel-good meaningless pablum... is media matters seriously suggesting that "pushing for civility and coalition-building" is a policy position????)
http://www.c-span.org/video/?326259-1/hillary-clinton-remarks-columbia-south-carolina
But... Why don't you read it, and tell me where all the concrete policy proposals are? Maybe I'm missing something.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)statements were.
And you specifically linked to that particular presentation, through the media matters story.
... (and I quote; "media matters explains why"
So go ahead. Explain WHY. You go through the transcript, and make a list of all the SPECIFIC policy position statements that she made in there.
(And no, "pushing for civility and coalition-building" isn't a specific policy proposal)
I'll wait.*
Like I said, there is MAYBE one. At best.
*or, you could just admit you were wrong, and apologize, particularly for the part about comparing me to FOX News. Should I wait for that?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)I didn't think you were really interested, so I attempted to respond in the manner I thought your one liner deserved.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)This was what you posted:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/05/28/hillary-clinton-spoke-about-policy-positions-bu/203799
There aren't any policy positions in that entire speech she gave, other than equal pay.
So actually media matters was off base. Sure, making fun of FOX for focusing on HRC's accent- fine, but to say they "ignored her policy position statements"... they're not there.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)Or did you just want to engage in some more futile internet fisticuffs for shits & giggles? If you're actually serious, the address is hillaryclinton.com. Knock yourself out.
I SURRENDER, YOU WIN!!!!!!!! Warren DeMontague and Fox & Friends bear no resemblance whatsoever. There, I hope that finishes this exchange, unless you feel the need to have the last word. Go for it.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I see "bio" "events" "states" "donate"
No tab for "issues".
I can't find the spot on the site where she lists her specific policy proposals, no.
Look... and I'm not trying to hammer this into the ground, if she's the nominee I'll support her, hell, I may even support her in the Primaries, but- and this is the crux of the biscuit, here- she needs to have a more comprehensive, specific answer for what she intends to do as POTUS beyond "empower communities and families"...
is the problem that her supporters think "Everyday Americans need a champion- I want to be that champion" actually IS a specific policy position?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It can indeed, be rather difficult for many people to find easy-to-locate information on the web... good luck with that in the future.
No doubt, sincerity makes the information easier to locate.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Because just like "FOX News", I missed it.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/05/28/hillary-clinton-spoke-about-policy-positions-bu/203799
Like I said, I found ONE. Equal Pay.
And if the policy positions are "on her website", then why did he post a link to the media matters piece first?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Perhaps you can help me out; where are the specific issue and policy positions there?
As you know, I'm a "half wit"... that's probably why I can't seem to find them. Someone as erudite and well-spoken as yourself should have no problem.
Just let me know, when you do, okay?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Unfortunately, Hillary encapsulates what the Democratic Party has become: A Party of "we're with you, sort of; I kind of believe, on-the-other-hand; we should work together, you know, and move forward on... on... Gun control (I knew we had one in there somewhere)."
If you don't define yourself, someone else will, hence the chronic negatives.
sendero
(28,552 posts)A "position" taken by a politician at that level is merely a campaign choice. It will carry no weight whatsoever should the positioner get elected.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I mean, they COULD just lie, right?
sendero
(28,552 posts)... and some do almost nothing but.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)Updated by Matthew Yglesias on June 1, 2015, 8:30 a.m.
Quinnipiac is out with a new poll that confirms something the national media is loathe to admit, and that essentially never surfaces in their coverage of one of the most-covered people in the world today: Hillary Clinton is the most popular politician in America.
Hillary Clinton is the most popular politician in America
It would be genuinely silly to think that her early leads in general election polling tell us anything interesting about what will happen in November 2016. But they tell us a lot about how people feel in May 2015, and the way they feel is pretty good about Hillary Clinton.
According to Gallup, for example, she is the most admired woman in the world. What's more, she has been the most admired woman in the world for 17 out of the past 18 years.
Journalists don't like Hillary Clinton
But the press hates to admit this. For Clinton, good news is never just good news. Instead it's an opportunity to remind the public about the media's negative narratives about Clinton and then to muse on the fact that her ratings somehow manage to hold up despite these narratives.
Here's how the Wall Street Journal wrote up an earlier poll showing Clinton beating all opponents:
Hillary Clinton's stature has been battered after more than a month of controversy over her fundraising and email practices, but support for her among Democrats remains strong and unshaken, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll finds.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6768701
BS is already complaining about the media. If they ever take him seriously, they'll begin to cover him in less than glowing terms. Clinton has been in the news since before her husband's administration, and Matt is right, "Journalists don't like Hillary Clinton", and it impacts how she's covered.
Fortunately, in most states, Independents don't vote in our party's primaries. It will be Democrats who choose our nominee, and she's extremely popular with "Democrats". Them's the breaks.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)It is about 48.3% unfavorable now down to 45.3%
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating
This is from April
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Hillary Clinton is extremely well-known, but her favorability ratings are now only break-even: 46 percent favorable and 45 percent unfavorable. These are nearly identical to President Obamas ratings, which are 48 percent favorable and 46 percent unfavorable.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-begins-the-2016-campaign-and-its-a-toss-up/
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Her greatest strength is here being spun as some sort of negative.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I suspect quite a large number. Too bad they skew that number then the media jumps on it like it really means something.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)ABC/WaPo poll released today.
Her biggest hit, among non-right wing, is indepents. 55% net unfavorable.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2015/06/02/National-Politics/Polling/question_15680.xml?uuid=kJXdsAkVEeWVHo4VCQ1krg
DCBob
(24,689 posts)That independent number is high but I suspect most of those are ashamed Republicans pretending to be Independents.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Im talking about the moderate Republicans who were embarrassed by Bush/Cheney.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I didn't know that, and was highly amused as I drove through the state recently.
Dumbasses.
TM99
(8,352 posts)are ashamed of both parties not ourselves.
Neither captures the totality of our principles, positions, and political philosophy. I am left leaning so yes, I tend to vote for Greens over Libertarians and Democrats over Republicans. But if you believe that all Independents are just Republicans, you are in for a rude awakening.
We will, as always, decide this election. Clinton polling this unfavorably with Independents is not good for her at all.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 2, 2015, 05:23 PM - Edit history (1)
Democrats love her. This is shown in poll after poll.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Unaffiliated liberals.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)....why they disliked her in the first place. I've always known and for very valid reasons, too.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I would never argue against that. I will say the word "many" is very ambiguous. It often gives the illusion of majority even though it shouldn't. Those on the left who strongly dislike her are the minority. Without asking, I am going to assume you have a vastly different ideology than Hillary. That is fair and I have no issue with it. Just as your reasons for disliking her are most likely very valid. She has given reason for pause. Well, some actions she has taken part in deserve a little more than pause.
Point is, my post is accurate. Thousands upon thousands can make the same reply you did. That does not make a majority or even close to one. I'm not saying you said it did. Just pointing out that you had to say you dislike her and you are part of the left when I made no comment that she has one hundred percent support from the left. It's more in the 80+ percent range when being discussed in American politics. The right hates here with a passion. A minority on the left have a strong dislike of her.
On another note, those using Andrew Malcolm to attack her have not forgotten why they don't like her. They are right wingers.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)dislike Hillary Clinton. I don't know how old you were, but back during the 90s, her favorability ratings were never incredibly high--even among Democrats. It wasn't until the Monica Lewinsky scandal that people became more sympathetic. And admittedly the witch trial that Republicans were on against the Clintons increasingly backfired and Hillary became more popular. When she announced her run for the U.S. Senate, her favorability ratings were the highest they'd ever been!
When Obama announced his candidacy, Hillary Clinton didn't have a thing to worry about. Her personal numbers were off the charts, and yes, the MAJORITY of black Americans loved and supported her--mostly because they love and support Bill Clinton (why, I never understood). Anyway, it wasn't until Obama started to gain traction on Hillary, even beating her in early primaries/caucuses that her husband and surrogates began employing subtly racist dog whistles that worked to divide the Democratic Party. And then her comments about Martin Luther King, Jr. and LBJ was the last straw. Many black voters starting to move away from Hillary Clinton and toward Obama.
As campaigning went on and as she continued to lose support, the scorched earth politics became more racist and disgusting. Going on Limbaugh's show and laughing it up with O'Reilly on Faux News--absolutely despicable.
This woman WAS/IS a monster!
Anyone who would invoke Republican Southern Strategy, racist politics that, to this day, divide the party...IS a monster!
As we move into the campaigning season, I suspect that people will begin to remember why they disliked this woman and the Clintons in general. I suspect that they will be reminded of the disgusting (and unorganized) campaign she and her team ran. I suspect that voters will be reminded of how she and her husband tend to put their interests before anything else. Oh yes. People will begin to remember why they dislike her, and those here who rather than deal with the truth bash me and others who do not support the Clintons, well, when we wake up on a Wednesday morning in November 2016 and find that we have an entire government ran by ReThugs, please don't blame us who tried to warn you.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You have some great lines in there. Classics. Do you have a link to the audio of her on Limbaughs show? That should be a classic to hear considering Rush says her only worth to him is to press his pants.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)That was my fault. But have you forgotten, or are you deliberately missing all of my points because you don't want to face the facts?
If you're just going to dismiss anything I say, I might as well put you on IGNORE, too.
Listen, the problem with the Democratic Party, which has always been the problem is that it takes black voters for granted.
You laugh, you mock, you ridicule black voters.
You tell us to shut up and just vote for the Democratic Party candidate.
You dismiss our concerns.
I'm sorry, but I will not back down. I won't shut up. I won't go away. I, and many other people of color on DU who are trying to speak out, will not be dismissed just because it is inconvenient for your hero's campaign; or, because we can't discuss racism.
I see how you dismiss any discussion of race or what actually happened in 2008.
That's o.k., though. The Democratic Party is in for a rude awakening because there are quite a few black voters I know who are either planning to stay home or not support Hillary at all and just vote down-ticket candidates.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It would literally take more time than I am willing to put in to correct all of your inaccurate personal assumptions. I have never said, inferred, or otherwise taken part in just about every single thing you claimed I have. Go for the ignore. Drop me a link of the audio of old Bill on the Rush Limbaugh show. That should be great considering the disgusting hate Rush has thrown at his wife for the last couple of decades.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I would really like to hear what Bill had to say to him considering this is what Rush says about Hillary.
LIMBAUGH: I found myself in an elevator with Mrs. Clinton once. It was at a wedding, Brooklyn, doors locked, she hits the stop button. She said, Oh Rush, I've wanted to see you for so long, and nobody would believe it. Would you, would you make a real woman out of me? I said, Sure, let's take off our clothes. So I took mine off, and I pointed and I said, Now fold them.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)slipping in her numbers.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Reter
(2,188 posts)n/t
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)peecoolyour
(336 posts)I hope you submit that idea to the campaign.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)brooklynite
(94,520 posts)http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/bernie-sanders/
Wake me when something interesting happens.....
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Them to win a general election, and that number is only going to get worse.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Who cares about unfavorables as long as she wins.
cali
(114,904 posts)she's going to lose us the White House. I blame her- and people who are obdurately blind to her fatal flaws as a candidate.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)You can count on the GOP to put up a loser.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Put up a candidate that's just not as bad as your competition.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)HRC is no Bill Clinton or Barrack Obama.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Especially with a weak candidate like Sanders.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Right now the RW attacks are focused solely on Hillary since she is the presumed Dem nominee. Once the GOP nominee is clear then the Democratic/Clinton attack machine will get into gear.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Remember Swift Boating?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)and disgustingly racist one in 2008.
This woman is not a victim! She's a monster! A self-entitled one, too.
And her fanatics and cheerleaders are making the same mistakes they made back then: assuming she's a shoo-in, no one should dare question her or her husband's deplorable politics, and that she's inevitable against the right wing machine.
You guys were wrong in 2008 and you may be wrong next year.
I won't be supporting any Clinton, that's for damn sure!
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Wow.. that's a bit harsh for a fellow Democrat and our probable nominee.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Independent, or Republican.
Respond to what I wrote and why I think she's a monster.
She ran an incredibly racist, mean-spirited campaign in 2008. Many black folk are not happy with her or any of the Democratic Party candidates.
Her warmongering, pro-wealthy stances makes it all the more harder to support her.
And, let's not talk about her lying, philandering husband...not to mention, his horrid policies that continue to have adverse impact on the black community as a whole.
I can't stand the Clintons.
They are good friends and adopted members of the Bush family. Let them become ReThugs and be done with them.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Not about this! And not about something that I believe in.
This woman IS a monster.
You are not addressing her racism. You are ignoring and dismissing this.
She IS a monster.
And now you are on IGNORE!!
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)such melodrama.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)you are so funny
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)...oh yeah, it was that there are no vitriolic and hyperboollic statments made against HRC. Well...confirmed lol
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)The emails are just scraps to keep the base tasting a bit of blood before they start carving her up and throwing chunks to the hyenias.
They've had 12 long years to prepare for her. They started preparing for her during Bush's last four believing she would be the nominee in 2008, but Obama threw a wrench into that plan. Now they've had an additional eight.
You don't think they're ready to make her look even more incompetent than she makes herself look?
I, almost, feel sorry for you if she wins the primary and then knowing she's going to lose the GE. The only thing that stops me from feeling sorry for you is the fact that you have been warned what to expect.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)BTW, keep your sympathy.. Im sure I wont need it.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Last I counted they were 10-2 or 11-2 in their battles against the Rethugs including when the Clinton rolled them in the impeachment drama.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I dont take these folks too seriously.. they are just pissed off because they want a more progressive candidate. They will get over it once it gets down to Hillary and someone from the GOP clown car.
dembotoz
(16,802 posts)Pretty damn strange
Similar themes. Wording...very stepford
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)I've never had any doubt about it ... since the end of the 2014 election, I've maintained that Hillary Clinton would rise and fall before the Democratic Party primary season was even half over.
Too much political baggage, too much love of money, too much familiarity, too many scandals, too much everything will weigh down and sink a second Hillary presidential nomination candidacy.
She doesn't have a signature issue, she doesn't have zeal, she is rather boring on the stump -- all she's got, frankly, is a last name.
Except for her diehard supporters, I suspect that no one is particularly surprised that in the face of a genuinely progressive opponent like Bernie Sanders, she immediately begins to shrink and shrink and shrink.
Watch and see -- the further she slides, the more the corporate consultants she surrounds herself with will over-program her and, just like in 2008, she will become an even worse candidate.
JEB
(4,748 posts)Entrenched and ready-made attacks. Vitriol carry over. Continuously re-fighting old battles. Difficult for the candidate to move forward. Difficult for the citizens to move forward.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)ananda
(28,859 posts)Somebody is trying to get attention due to
sagging ratings, methinks.