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peecoolyour

(336 posts)
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 07:41 PM Jun 2015

Obama goes into overdrive on trade push

President Barack Obama has begun to barrage House Democrats with phone calls in hopes of explaining to members of his own party why they should break their near uniform opposition and support his trade agenda.
House Republicans, meanwhile, are feeling newfound optimism that at least 190 of their lawmakers will support so-called trade promotion authority giving the president power to fast-track free-trade agreements. That would mean roughly 27 Democrats would need to support the legislation in order to hand Obama his largest legislative victory in years. Eighteen Democrats are currently on record backing the bill.

It’s now up to Obama to flip the rest.

Speaker John Boehner, House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, House Majority Whip Steve Scalise and Chief Deputy Whip Patrick McHenry will meet with undecided Republicans this week to press them to vote “yes.” A significant pool of GOP lawmakers are holding out, and will commit to no one other than Boehner and McCarthy. They want to convey to the top two leaders how tough of a vote this is.

Republican leaders are sparing no effort in the whip effort and believe they’re on track to notch a historically high vote total for a trade bill. Ways and Means Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) also has several meetings with lawmakers who are undecided or currently opposed to the package. He will also join GOP leadership in a meeting Wednesday with trade associations, agriculture groups and manufacturers that’s expected to draw 150 attendees.


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/obama-trade-push-118566.html#ixzz3bx2hsONh
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Obama goes into overdrive on trade push (Original Post) peecoolyour Jun 2015 OP
You can have your shit sandwich with mayo or just dry...those are your choices NoJusticeNoPeace Jun 2015 #1
This just tickles me pink. As in Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #2
Congrats on 200 posts! bigwillq Jun 2015 #3
That is the one issue that I depart with Hillary Clinton... Mr. Robot Jun 2015 #4
Hello. bigwillq Jun 2015 #16
It fascinates me that of all the things he could have gone to the wall for hifiguy Jun 2015 #5
And I'll Bet Ya He's Trying To Ram It Through So Hillary Doesn't Have To Deal With It... WillyT Jun 2015 #6
Or he has reflected on how lavishly the Clintons were rewarded hifiguy Jun 2015 #7
Yeah, who would want to ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #8
+1000~ sheshe2 Jun 2015 #9
Well, looking at past presidents, hifiguy Jun 2015 #10
Look ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #14
Legacy? The legacy will be increasing inequality - TBF Jun 2015 #19
All such agreements are negotiated in secret. NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #20
Again, this president promised it would be different - TBF Jun 2015 #25
... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #32
Did I say "everything"? No, I did not. But I do expect something TBF Jun 2015 #33
The full text of the finalized agreement ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #34
Wrong. NONE to this extent. cali Jun 2015 #30
No one is breaking your arm.. 840high Jun 2015 #21
Then why are you commenting? hatrack Jun 2015 #28
Yes, that's the rotten, sordid truth Populist_Prole Jun 2015 #23
Oh right Mr. 22,000+ posts! Stop sliming Obama. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #27
Release.the.Agreement. Mr. President - TBF Jun 2015 #11
All trade agreements are negotiated in secret. NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #15
I'd love to hear your "valid reasons" - TBF Jun 2015 #17
"President Obama wants fast track authorization in order to proceed with the negotiations from a Cha Jun 2015 #24
Sadly for him, in this internet age, he's just going to have to figure out a new way to play Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #29
Who gives a flying fuck about 60 days of debate when we must depend on the TeaPubliKlans TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #31
The greatest theater in America FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #12
It's going to pass. DCBob Jun 2015 #13
Of course it is - TBF Jun 2015 #18
You ever get that feeling we're double fucked? Quackers Jun 2015 #22
Of course - it is a complete con TBF Jun 2015 #26

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
1. You can have your shit sandwich with mayo or just dry...those are your choices
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 07:42 PM
Jun 2015

Which is what I think our future of jobs is like, TPP or no TPP

 

Mr. Robot

(39 posts)
4. That is the one issue that I depart with Hillary Clinton...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 07:49 PM
Jun 2015

and she is continuing to make it difficult for me to support her. I am starting to get off the fence and lean towards Bernie.

I have generously given to both candidates....

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
5. It fascinates me that of all the things he could have gone to the wall for
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:02 PM
Jun 2015

in the last six-plus years - Medicare for all, dismantling the surveillance state, actually doing something to actually reform Wall Street, going after the banksters - that it is here that he draws his line in the sand: the corporate takeover of huge chunks of national and state sovereignty in the name of bigger profits for the Corporate State.

And that tells you all you need to know.

We were ROYALLY had in 2008 and anyone who cannot see that now is in denial so deep they will need a team of expert spelunkers to be found.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
6. And I'll Bet Ya He's Trying To Ram It Through So Hillary Doesn't Have To Deal With It...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:06 PM
Jun 2015

A parting favor as it were...

Or a farting pay-for...




 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
7. Or he has reflected on how lavishly the Clintons were rewarded
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 08:09 PM
Jun 2015

for the services they rendered to TPTB - NAFTA, the Telecom Act, bank deregulation - and wants in on some of that action in his post-presidential days. He sure as shit doesn't want to end up like Jimmy Carter, building houses for Habitat for Humanity.

Hi Willy!

NanceGreggs

(27,821 posts)
8. Yeah, who would want to ...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:08 PM
Jun 2015

... "end up like Jimmy Carter, building houses for Habitat for Humanity"?

Imagine spending your post-POTUS days doing something selfless, and productive for others?

As we all know, Obama has to "feather his future nest" by cozying-up to corporations et al. Otherwise, the first AA president of the US would never, ever be offered lucrative speaking gigs, or money for bound-to-be-best-selling books, or a gig with any law firm in the country that would gladly pay handsomely just to have his name on their masthead.

Yeah, if he doesn't completely destroy his incredible legacy RIGHT NOW and leave office as the man who sold out his fellow citizens with a deal meant to ruin the country, destroy jobs, and the lives of every middle-class working man/woman, he would undoubtedly wind up destitute and forgotten.

>>> for those who don't "get it" - and there are more and more people here who obviously don't.


Jesus Hussein Christ. I often wonder where fuckin' common sense has gone to on this site.


 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
10. Well, looking at past presidents,
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:18 PM
Jun 2015

LBJ went back to his ranch, Nixon spent decades trying to become a "respected elder statesmen" and redeem his self-befouled legacy, Ford went off to Palm Springs to golf and joined a few corporate boards to fill his time, and Carter founded the Carter Center and has been a model of what an ex-president can do and be. Reagan was senile from the start and ewnt back to his ranch, and the Bushes have all the millions they have been stealing for generations.

Hell, Harry Truman was literally broke when he left office for Independence, MO, and Ike retired to Gettysburg.

All did some occasional speaking, even Nixon as I recall, except perhaps for LBJ, who was a broken man by 1969.

The Clintons invented the concept of turning a stint into the WH into a money geyser. That isn't opinion, it's fact. Others will follow in their footsteps.

NanceGreggs

(27,821 posts)
14. Look ...
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:37 PM
Jun 2015

... you just keep tellin' yourself that Obama is going to destroy the legacy he has achieved in office - which, whether you ackno0wledge it or not, is SUBSTANTIAL - because he'd rather go down in history as the POTUS who promoted a trade deal that ruined the country.

You tell yourself that, over and over. Don't be distracted by common sense. Don't be deterred from that ridiculous notion by any actual facts. And by all means, DON'T think for a minute that Obama will be inundated with lucrative offers UNLESS he sells out the country for his own personal gain.

Without kow-towing to corporate interests, the Obamas will of course wind up on a DC street corner wearing signs that say: "Hey, remember us? Will make speeches for food!"

This whole notion is so beyond ridiculous, I can't believe I am wasting my time commenting on it.

TBF

(32,130 posts)
19. Legacy? The legacy will be increasing inequality -
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:01 PM
Jun 2015

if we had actual FACTS and could read the damned agreement we MIGHT be swayed to your point of view. But I seriously doubt it. People only hide things for a reason. Why all the secrecy?

NanceGreggs

(27,821 posts)
20. All such agreements are negotiated in secret.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:11 PM
Jun 2015

That is not my point of view - that is the historical FACT.

Maybe you should try actually reading the FACTS about treaty negotiations, instead of getting your non-facts from the many people on DU who keep insisting this current negotiation is something out of the ordinary.



TBF

(32,130 posts)
25. Again, this president promised it would be different -
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 08:09 AM
Jun 2015

he promised transparency.

It was a flipping PRESS RELEASE. What has changed? Why has he decided to break this promise? And I will provide FACT and CITES, unlike you with your pretty rhetoric but lack of any substance:


Press Release - Obama Pledges Most Transparent and Accountable Administration in History
August 15, 2007

Illinois Senator Says He'll "Take the Blinders" Off the White House

CEDAR FALLS, IA -- U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) today said that as President, he will enact sweeping reforms to dramatically increase transparency and accountability in government to make it responsive and accountable to the American people. The Illinois Senator outlined his plan in remarks that highlighted his record of fighting for ethics and lobbying reforms that were unpopular with political insiders while in the U.S. Senate and the Illinois state Senate.

"More and more, the real business of our democracy isn't done in town halls or public meetings or even in the open halls of Congress," Obama said. "Decisions are made in closed-door meetings, or with the silent stroke of the President's pen, or because some lobbyist got some Congressman to slip his pet project into a bill during the dead of night. We have to take the blinders off the White House. The more people know about what's going on in Washington, and how their tax dollars are being spent, and who's raising money for who, the less likely it is that major decisions will be hijacked by lobbyists and special interests."

Obama said that as President, he will post all bills brought to his desk online for five days before they are signed. He also said that all meetings between lobbyists and government agencies will be posted online, a marked contrast to Vice President Cheney's efforts to hide the activities of his secret energy taskforce.

Obama also discussed a law he co-authored in the U.S. Senate that requires all government spending to be posted online, and his efforts in Illinois State Senate to create hospital report cards so that every consumer could better understand the quality of care they could expect at each hospital ...

Much more here: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=93244

NanceGreggs

(27,821 posts)
32. ...
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 03:55 PM
Jun 2015


Do you honestly think that "transparency" in gov't means that every single thing will be open to public scrutiny?

Do you see anything in your OMG! it's an actual PRESS RELEASE about the negotiation in int'l trade agreements?

You DO know there are 12 signatories to this treaty - and what disclosure is made is up to all twelve of them, and is not up to the President alone.





TBF

(32,130 posts)
33. Did I say "everything"? No, I did not. But I do expect something
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 05:49 PM
Jun 2015

with such far-reaching implications for ALL of the people of this country to be open for comment and vigorous debate.

Look, we can do this the easy way. We can tax the wealthy and we can let people be involved in their government again.

Or, we can do this the hard way. We can continue to let this country be run by a cabal of billionaires, banking CEO's, and their bought and paid for politicians - and wait for the inevitable revolution.

I guess it's no skin off your nose living in Canada and all ...

But the rest of us may actually wish to see this peacefully resolved.

NanceGreggs

(27,821 posts)
34. The full text of the finalized agreement ...
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 06:23 PM
Jun 2015

... will be available on-line sixty days before the President can sign it.

This agreement has been in negotiation for years. Do you even grasp how ridiculous it would be to make every step of negotiations available to the public - when every provision contained therein is subject to change, often radical change, from one negotiation session to the next?

The "inevitable revolution"? "Peacefully resolved"?



 

cali

(114,904 posts)
30. Wrong. NONE to this extent.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 08:35 AM
Jun 2015

the secrecy around the TPA is much greater than that around past trade agreements- including the granddaddy NAFTA.

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
21. No one is breaking your arm..
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:11 AM
Jun 2015

"This whole notion is so beyond ridiculous, I can't believe I am wasting my time commenting on it."

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
23. Yes, that's the rotten, sordid truth
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:15 AM
Jun 2015

His harshest invective to date was directed not at the obstructionist GOP, but at the progressive wing of his own party.

He's either very afraid, very much a post pres opportunist, or very naive.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
27. Oh right Mr. 22,000+ posts! Stop sliming Obama.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 08:17 AM
Jun 2015

Kidding. I'm right there with you. It's disgusting the hoodwinking, at least that's the way I see what went down with this administration.

TBF

(32,130 posts)
11. Release.the.Agreement. Mr. President -
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:20 PM
Jun 2015

I thought transparency was important to you. If this agreement is so great release it so we can see for ourselves. Why is this so difficult?

NanceGreggs

(27,821 posts)
15. All trade agreements are negotiated in secret.
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:46 PM
Jun 2015

And there are valid reasons for that. It has nothing to do with the "transparency" of this administration, or any other.

But keep flogging that dead horse - and keep ignoring the fact that the agreement WILL BE released before it is voted on - just as all other trade agreements have been.

TBF

(32,130 posts)
17. I'd love to hear your "valid reasons" -
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:55 PM
Jun 2015

which I'm sure will include the truth about shipping jobs to other countries. It has everything to do with transparency & this president IN PARTICULAR promised transparency. I know because I volunteered on the campaign. I would like specifics on when it will be released - and it had better not be an hour before the vote.

It is absolutely appalling that President Obama would end his presidency in this manner.

Cha

(297,974 posts)
24. "President Obama wants fast track authorization in order to proceed with the negotiations from a
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 02:15 AM
Jun 2015
position of power.."

snip//

President Obama wants fast track authorization in order to proceed with the negotiations from a position of power – in order to receive the best possible set of concessions from nations with interests which conflict with our interests. The only way to know if he succeeds or not is to look at the final negotiated deal – and then judge it on its entire impact – not on some leaked, out-of-context pieces of the puzzle. After a final deal is reached, there will be an opportunity for public debate. Fast track authority doesn’t mean that Congress is going to support whatever deal is reached. It just means that politics won’t undermine a deal before it can be reached.

snip//

"I haven’t made up my mind whether to support TPP or not. I will decide when an agreement is finalized and not before. I tend to distrust deals which are based on some concept of “free trade” which I know only exists in theory. But I won’t make up my mind on any specific trade deal until I see the details – the final details, not a few leaked pieces of information. I will still have time to voice my concerns before Congress decides whether to ratify it or not."

http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-best-thing-ive-read-so-far-on-tpatpp.html?spref=tw

But all some see is "secrecy"! and think it's bad and Elizabeth Warren hasn't helped anything by ignorantly hammering on this as if we won't have a public debate after the best concessions possible are reached.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
29. Sadly for him, in this internet age, he's just going to have to figure out a new way to play
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 08:21 AM
Jun 2015

the two level game. The American people are sick of finding the only reliably predictable action that politicians make on trade lately is that they will make it easier for jobs to leave the country and they will work their hardest to not stick the social safety net out too far to catch people as they fall because, austerity or something.

TheKentuckian

(25,035 posts)
31. Who gives a flying fuck about 60 days of debate when we must depend on the TeaPubliKlans
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 08:48 AM
Jun 2015

to protect workers and the environment when it is all said and done. Every single Democrat could vote no and it still passes so I wish you folks would stop pretending that a bad deal can be stopped, it is far more likely a really beneficial deal would be killed with the make up of Congress.

A toothless "public debate period" is meaningless in practical application unless one believes the regressives somehow give a damn, it is senseless babble and pure kabuki.

TBF

(32,130 posts)
18. Of course it is -
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 09:58 PM
Jun 2015

but if we do not protest this monstrosity all we will hear is "but no one said anything before we shipped the millions of jobs to Malaysia".

Guess what? We do care. At least some of us do. The left wing of the party anyway. The third-way opinion will vary I'm sure ...

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
22. You ever get that feeling we're double fucked?
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 12:21 AM
Jun 2015

If this thing passes, and by some slim chance of a miracle something good comes out of it, the repubs will say, "see we did this and the Democrats were against it! On the other hand and more likely scenario, our country gets fucked up for a full generation and the repubs will say, "look what the head of the Democratic Party has done.

Either way, we get fucked.

TBF

(32,130 posts)
26. Of course - it is a complete con
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 08:10 AM
Jun 2015

and I'm glad folks are finally catching on. Whenever you look back at NAFTA and the repeal of key portions of Glass-Steagal you see pictures of Bill Clinton signing those monstrosities. You can say "oh that started with Bush" until you're blue in the face - but the photo op is Clinton signing away. Same deal here.

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