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peecoolyour

(336 posts)
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:28 PM Jun 2015

HRC's State Dept. Increased Chemical Arms Sales To M.E. Countries That Gave to Clinton Foundation

As Egyptian democracy protesters massed in the streets of Cairo in 2011, provoking a bloody crackdown from the authoritarian regime of Hosni Mubarak, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton presented herself as a champion of human rights. Clinton was “deeply concerned about the use of violence by Egyptian police and security forces against protesters,” she told reporters at the State Department. “Egyptian authorities,” she urged, should not impede “peaceful protests.”

But behind the scenes, Clinton pursued contrasting aims. She cautioned the White House about backing the ouster of President Mubarak, whom she had previously described as a family friend. Her State Department cleared Egypt to continue purchasing arms the U.S. government classified as "toxicological agents,” a broad designation that included chemical and biological weapons, as well as vaccines -- this, at the very moment Mubarak’s forces were unleashing one toxicological agent, tear gas, against protesters demanding his ouster.

The Clinton-run State Department’s approval of chemical and biological exports to the Egyptian government increased in volume just as dollars flowed from Mubarak-linked entities into the coffers of Clinton family concerns. A group closely associated with the Mubarak government paid Bill Clinton a $250,000 speaking fee in 2010, less than 4 months before the Egyptian revolution began. In 2012, a firm with an ownership stake in the company that manufactured the tear gas reportedly used by Egyptian security forces against the uprising paid $100,000 to $250,000 for another Bill Clinton speech.

The approval of American chemical weapons sales to Egypt as Mubarak’s associates were stocking Clinton family interests with cash is but one example of a dynamic that prevailed though Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state. During the roughly two years of Arab Spring protests that confronted authoritarian governments with popular uprisings, Clinton’s State Department approved $66 million worth of so-called Category 14 exports -- defined as "toxicological agents, including chemical agents, biological agents and associated equipment" -- to nine Middle Eastern governments that either donated to the Clinton Foundation or whose affiliated groups paid Bill Clinton speaking fees.


http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clintons-state-department-increased-chemical-arms-sales-middle-east-countries-1949653
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HRC's State Dept. Increased Chemical Arms Sales To M.E. Countries That Gave to Clinton Foundation (Original Post) peecoolyour Jun 2015 OP
unfair right wing attack! cali Jun 2015 #1
Yes. peecoolyour Jun 2015 #3
But countries weren't actively using the weapons on their own people at that moment, so it's OK. Scuba Jun 2015 #22
Perhaps this? typical smear tactics sadoldgirl Jun 2015 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #9
That's perfect. nt peecoolyour Jun 2015 #14
The sources have to be discredited MissDeeds Jun 2015 #23
OMG I knew it!! THIS just HAS to be the smokin gun this time misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #2
LOL DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #4
if Hillary and Obama do it, it must be the right thing! cali Jun 2015 #7
So, you approve of the sale of chemical weapons to Clinton Foundation donors? n t ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #8
can't you tell? not a problem. it's Hillary. everything she does is cali Jun 2015 #11
Like the gentleman or lady I was referring to I am immune to the criticism of Ms. Clinton DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #13
YOU did not answer my question. Do you approve of the sale of chemical weapons to donors of ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #16
I wholeheartedly approve of the good works the Clinton Foundation does including... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #24
no one is trying to cow you. cali Jun 2015 #17
hey cool cali Jun 2015 #5
oh please, I see another smokin gun that's going to jam like all the others. misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #10
they aren't jamming. you just aren't paying attention cali Jun 2015 #12
Do we have a breakdown of the sales? Lancero Jun 2015 #15
When she was at state, Clinton put a stop to that kind of transparency and lumped them all together. peecoolyour Jun 2015 #19
disturbing. unless you're a Hillary supporter cali Jun 2015 #20
Good point. Another case of lack of transparency creates the appearance of conflict of interest here leveymg Jun 2015 #21
I think this was more like ongoing sales of police tear gas rounds than VX with air delivery systems leveymg Jun 2015 #18
Stop posting rightwing bullshit on my girl Hillary bigdarryl Jun 2015 #25
quid-pro-Clinton Foundation-quo AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #26
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
1. unfair right wing attack!
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:32 PM
Jun 2015

Clinton was just following Obama's orders.
This is a normal practice
There is no appearance of conflict of interest

Did I miss anything?

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
22. But countries weren't actively using the weapons on their own people at that moment, so it's OK.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 02:44 PM
Jun 2015

Or at least that's what I was told on another thread.

Response to cali (Reply #1)

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
23. The sources have to be discredited
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 02:50 PM
Jun 2015

Because, ya know, they are right wing rags. It never fails.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. can't you tell? not a problem. it's Hillary. everything she does is
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:40 PM
Jun 2015

for the greater good. Get with the program.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
13. Like the gentleman or lady I was referring to I am immune to the criticism of Ms. Clinton
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:42 PM
Jun 2015

And no amount of trying to cow me by Mr. Sanders' supporters can make me feel otherwise.

It only strengthens my resolve.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
16. YOU did not answer my question. Do you approve of the sale of chemical weapons to donors of
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:53 PM
Jun 2015

the Clinton Foundation?

Yes or no, please.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
24. I wholeheartedly approve of the good works the Clinton Foundation does including...
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 04:23 PM
Jun 2015

I wholeheartedly approve of the good works the Clinton Foundation does including

-their efforts to combat HIV in Africa

-their efforts to provide clean water in areas of Africa where it is rare so kids don't die of dehydration by literally pooping themselves to death

-empowering young women in Third World Countries to finish school and go on to college...

My biggest regret I have about not being rich is I can't write a seven figure check to the Clinton Foundation to support the good works they do.

When I think of the calumnies against the Clinton Foundation I am reminded of what Jesus said on the cross ,"Forgive them Father for they know not what they do."

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
12. they aren't jamming. you just aren't paying attention
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:42 PM
Jun 2015

or you're in that well known Hillary state of mind; denial.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
15. Do we have a breakdown of the sales?
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:53 PM
Jun 2015

The article doesn't provide a breakdown, just that items classified as toxicological agents were sold.

The article outright says that vaccines are classified as such. The article tries to paint off the deals as weapons, but it shoots itself in the foot when it admits that vaccines - medicine - could have been what the deal was over.

The article says that the agreements were for 'arms' but right below backtracks on that that saying that they gave approval for chemical and biological exports. A lot of medical supplies fall under such labeling.


 

peecoolyour

(336 posts)
19. When she was at state, Clinton put a stop to that kind of transparency and lumped them all together.
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:56 PM
Jun 2015

From the same article:

Prior to Clinton’s tenure at State, Congress and the public could see some of the details of Category 14 exports. Those interested in scrutinizing the sales were supplied a breakdown of the transactions into separate categories such as “tear gases and riot control” and other wares classified as “medical countermeasures” like vaccines to protect against exposure to chemical and biological warfare. But as Clinton’s State Department increased its export approvals, it also stopped providing a breakdown of such exports. Key details are now effectively secret.
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
20. disturbing. unless you're a Hillary supporter
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 02:01 PM
Jun 2015

In that case, it's a brilliant humanitarian move. Or something

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
21. Good point. Another case of lack of transparency creates the appearance of conflict of interest here
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 02:03 PM
Jun 2015

It's part of Hillary's MO. She can't help herself.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
18. I think this was more like ongoing sales of police tear gas rounds than VX with air delivery systems
Wed Jun 3, 2015, 01:56 PM
Jun 2015

Go back to the 1980s, when the Reagan-Bush Administration was secretly arming both sides with WMDs in the Iran-Iraq War, for that. Iran-contra was part of that. The covert program worked as intended - hundreds of thousands died. Now, that was a real proliferations and arms scandal, or should have been.

While the Saudis and other ME states have been contributing hundreds of millions to the Clintons, this isn't the "missing link" or good evidence of a quid pro quo, IMHO.

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