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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 02:41 PM Jun 2015

Trader Joe's Ex-President Opens Store With Aging Food And Cheap Meals

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/06/04/411777947/trader-joes-ex-president-opens-store-with-aging-food-and-cheap-meals

The nonprofit grocery store is in the low-to-middle income Boston neighborhood of Dorchester. It's selling canned vegetables two for $1 and a dozen eggs for 99 cents. Potatoes are 49 cents a pound. Bananas are 29 cents a pound....

It was Doug Rauch, the former president of Trader Joe's, who came up with this concept. He was frustrated by the amount of nutritious food that went into dumpsters, just because it was nearing its sell-by date. Meanwhile, millions of people don't eat very well. But Rauch had to fight the critics, who said he was just dumping food rejected by rich people on the poor....

Besides selling staples, Daily Table is also cooking up prepared meals on a rotating menu. "The recipes have to change every day because the donations change every day," says head chef Ismail Samad. Even though the food is not as new as what's in your local supermarket, that doesn't mean it's bad, he says....

Samad hopes customers in Dorchester eat it up. If they do, Rauch wants to expand this model to other cities across the country.


What say thee? Yea or nay?
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Trader Joe's Ex-President Opens Store With Aging Food And Cheap Meals (Original Post) KamaAina Jun 2015 OP
aye very strong yea cali Jun 2015 #1
Agreed, it beats just tossing the food like so many stores do. nt cstanleytech Jun 2015 #43
Sounds good to me. I'm sure residents would welcome affordable nutritious food valerief Jun 2015 #2
Totally with you. tymorial Jun 2015 #82
Have you ever had butter on a poptart? snort Jun 2015 #88
Nah, usually eat them uncooked. tymorial Jun 2015 #98
If you haven't then I think you should!! nt MADem Jun 2015 #116
Note that whenever you eat in a regular restaurant you don't get to know how close to expiration PoliticAverse Jun 2015 #3
Excellent point. The idea of this type of store in an answer to several problems. Access in food jwirr Jun 2015 #10
How close? You don't even know which side of the expiration date the food was. n/t A Simple Game Jun 2015 #18
Yes you do, it's called today's "special" FLPanhandle Jun 2015 #66
I am nay on the prices... Those are Aldi prices (a Trader Joe store) ScreamingMeemie Jun 2015 #4
In Houston, maybe KamaAina Jun 2015 #5
In Mi, CA, TX and WI. Markup is way too high. ScreamingMeemie Jun 2015 #11
Without markup, how do you pay for the store? FrodosPet Jun 2015 #93
not where I live. not even close. cali Jun 2015 #7
Here's the ad for Aldi Boston ScreamingMeemie Jun 2015 #20
again, you live in Houston. things are very different on the east coast cali Jun 2015 #40
Which tells us nothing. ieoeja Jun 2015 #41
I was able to find them. ScreamingMeemie Jun 2015 #42
How? ieoeja Jun 2015 #44
No...that is Aldi in Medford--a long way from Dorchester. MADem Jun 2015 #75
Not to mention tymorial Jun 2015 #83
If you are up on Savin Hill in Dorchester, you're doing great.... MADem Jun 2015 #97
Yup. Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #90
It's actually pretty hard to get *out* of Dorchester on public transit. Intentionally. Recursion Jun 2015 #114
Yep, unless you live on Savin Hill it can be difficult. nt MADem Jun 2015 #115
Aldi and Trader Joe's are run by related people, billionaire brothers, but are not the same entity GreatGazoo Jun 2015 #21
I never saw a Trader Joe's in Wales geardaddy Jun 2015 #51
good information but missing a few things unapatriciated Jun 2015 #60
My first TJ's visit that I remember was Newport Beach around 1977 GreatGazoo Jun 2015 #72
now that was a memory trip NJCher Jun 2015 #84
On vacations in Miami as kids, I recall a tropical restaurant 'Trader' smthg. had to be Vics. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #92
We didn't get TJ's in the Twin Cities hifiguy Jun 2015 #105
Lots of crave-able items in their selections GreatGazoo Jun 2015 #106
those are terrific TJ selections NJCher Jun 2015 #107
I'm coming to your house for dinner tonight. hifiguy Jun 2015 #108
Wow, you guys really do live in another world in Texas. Costs more here in Mass. nt valerief Jun 2015 #53
Nope. Aldi prices are pretty much the same all over. ScreamingMeemie Jun 2015 #54
To be honest, I never even heard of Aldi, but I see there's one not far from me. valerief Jun 2015 #57
For staple stuff and some types of produce hifiguy Jun 2015 #100
I went to a nearby Aldi last evening. It was clean, small, filled mostly with valerief Jun 2015 #104
Prices are different here in NC. ladyVet Jun 2015 #109
Aldi's is not a Trader Joe's store unapatriciated Jun 2015 #63
Food is expensive in the city. MADem Jun 2015 #74
I had some maple syrup today that had a sell by date of 2014 - hollysmom Jun 2015 #6
Generally, maple syrup lasts a long time - closeupready Jun 2015 #9
For those like me who cannot afford genuine maple syrup, the artificial totodeinhere Jun 2015 #85
Sure why not? I'd shop there. closeupready Jun 2015 #8
Isn't this what most of us do daily in our homes? No Vested Interest Jun 2015 #12
there is no federal standard for expiration dates... Javaman Jun 2015 #16
I'm still drinking bottled water that expired 5 years ago. Fuddnik Jun 2015 #23
the vodka never lasts... Javaman Jun 2015 #28
Priorities! BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #29
You wouldn't want that vodka to go bad awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #55
The nice thing about booze is that hifiguy Jun 2015 #101
fairly good but I will disagree with a few airplaneman Jun 2015 #59
Those great prices for the Boston area. bunnies Jun 2015 #13
it's a sad state of affairs that someone deams this viable as a profit maker. nt Javaman Jun 2015 #14
It's nonprofit. N/t lostnfound Jun 2015 #50
I guess that's marginally better Javaman Jun 2015 #81
Why throw away perfectly edible food? hifiguy Jun 2015 #102
I agree, but giving your response to my post it appears as if it sailed over your head. Javaman Jun 2015 #113
YES Mira Jun 2015 #15
EAT RECYLED FOOD! MineralMan Jun 2015 #17
Our local grocery store allows you to purchase this food Horse with no Name Jun 2015 #19
We can buy imperfect or older produce quite cheaply here, too. nt tblue37 Jun 2015 #26
I like the idea of it being a non-profit. I hope someday all our food retailers will operate Cleita Jun 2015 #22
West Oakland has a nice food co-op KamaAina Jun 2015 #68
Those would be pretty good prices for the most part SheilaT Jun 2015 #24
Yea, indeed! nt tblue37 Jun 2015 #25
Yea! Giving people in poorer areas a chance to buy food inexpensively is great peacebird Jun 2015 #27
yea Liberal_in_LA Jun 2015 #30
It beats taking the T out of the neighborhood Warpy Jun 2015 #31
I agree. And some people would have to take the bus to the T... MADem Jun 2015 #76
Who could object? BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #32
+1 million geardaddy Jun 2015 #48
Me too, and they pop up on the Nicollet Mall hifiguy Jun 2015 #103
Yes! geardaddy Jun 2015 #117
Smell doesn't seem to work with produce anymore... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #56
Definitely BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #61
And finding a good tasting tomato awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #64
Lots of produce is coated in wax to retard spoilage. Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #89
You make some good points but on the other hand given all of the food recalls over salmonella totodeinhere Jun 2015 #86
Yea. nt Ilsa Jun 2015 #33
Aye! This is a resourceful endeavor, and helps people who would be without. Avalux Jun 2015 #34
Caution: Story from old fart about frugal living during childhood! Doc_Technical Jun 2015 #35
Wasn't there a study that found that access to more nutritious foods didn't improve consumption? aikoaiko Jun 2015 #36
Grocery Outlet KT2000 Jun 2015 #37
Grocery Outlets definately one of my favorite stores. airplaneman Jun 2015 #49
Me too! KT2000 Jun 2015 #73
They are indeed a chain KamaAina Jun 2015 #69
It's my second favorite store shanti Jun 2015 #71
Great idea, I hope it spreads! Paper Roses Jun 2015 #38
I've had bad luck with TJ's produce while it was in the store IronLionZion Jun 2015 #39
About that deer sausage.... unapatriciated Jun 2015 #62
I'm worried about that deer sausage. IronLionZion Jun 2015 #80
We do sell a frozen bison burger but... unapatriciated Jun 2015 #94
The food banks are a good idea IronLionZion Jun 2015 #112
I've been very pleased with TJ's products, and their return policy is as good as Costco's... Hekate Jun 2015 #67
I like TJ's packaged foods and their great alcohol selection. IronLionZion Jun 2015 #79
Double yea denbot Jun 2015 #45
Sounds like a great plan to me. n/t geardaddy Jun 2015 #46
I'm in favor of the idea. Many people have no car and live in a food desert. Shrike47 Jun 2015 #47
Excellent. Saw special on MSNBC about food being wasted. lostnfound Jun 2015 #52
Yea! deathrind Jun 2015 #58
I say yea unapatriciated Jun 2015 #65
The local TJ's donates lots to our food bank The Blue Flower Jun 2015 #70
TJ's has made it the responsibility unapatriciated Jun 2015 #111
I'd love to eat there. Renew Deal Jun 2015 #77
Aldi at least local will discount stuff as it approaches due date dembotoz Jun 2015 #78
i saw a documentary on food network about this. retrowire Jun 2015 #87
Yea! ybbor Jun 2015 #91
Good idea. Meanwhile, in France ... Arugula Latte Jun 2015 #95
I love it. Lee-Lee Jun 2015 #96
They call them Grocery Outlet in Spokane, along with about 20 other stores that jtuck004 Jun 2015 #99
In theory I like the idea Egnever Jun 2015 #110

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
98. Nah, usually eat them uncooked.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 02:31 PM
Jun 2015

I'm addicted to the brown sugar / cinnamon. I'll have to try the butter though lol.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
3. Note that whenever you eat in a regular restaurant you don't get to know how close to expiration
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 02:48 PM
Jun 2015

the food you are eating was.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
10. Excellent point. The idea of this type of store in an answer to several problems. Access in food
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 03:00 PM
Jun 2015

deserts and the recent talk about food waste.

For years stores have sold items as day old and also marked down because of damaged cans or out dated etc. Restaurants and food factories have food that must be used immediately and factories have what they call seconds. Much of this ends up as waste in our country. But that is a shame because it is still very edible.

I also like the idea of cooking some of it into meals. One of our local small stores has a small deli that they cook up themselves from items in their store that a must use items. The food is delicious.

The prices are fantastic - I remember paying that for those items when they were very fresh. Wonder if they will be taking food stamps? Our farmer's markets have just recently been allowed to start using food stamps.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
66. Yes you do, it's called today's "special"
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 06:37 PM
Jun 2015

That fish that is beginning to smell...Grouper with a strong sauce to cover the smell/taste.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
4. I am nay on the prices... Those are Aldi prices (a Trader Joe store)
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 02:48 PM
Jun 2015

for food that is not as fresh. If the canned goods were 4 for $1, the eggs were 50 cents, the potatoes 29 cents and the bananas were 9 cents a pound, I'd be yay all over that.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
5. In Houston, maybe
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 02:50 PM
Jun 2015
"That's good. It's cheap! Everything good," says Noemi Sosa, a shopper marveling at the prices that — for Boston — are phenomenally low.


edit: Did you manage to stay above water?

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
93. Without markup, how do you pay for the store?
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 02:05 PM
Jun 2015

The building costs money. Climate control costs money. The electricity for the lights and refrigeration costs money. Keeping the place clean and repaired costs money. Transporting the stuff to the store costs money. I suppose you could run it with volunteers instead of paid employees, but volunteers tend to fade off, and then who do you have to stock shelves and run the registers?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
40. again, you live in Houston. things are very different on the east coast
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 05:00 PM
Jun 2015

And I live hundreds and hundreds of miles from the nearest Aldi's.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
41. Which tells us nothing.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 05:06 PM
Jun 2015

Potatoes – see price in store
Eggs – could not find
Canned Vegetables – could not find
Bananas – see price in store

MADem

(135,425 posts)
75. No...that is Aldi in Medford--a long way from Dorchester.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 06:14 AM
Jun 2015

Medford is a suburb of Boston. Dorchester is a neighborhood IN Boston. They're on opposite ends of the Tip O'Neill tunnel. No one is taking a bus, train,bus to go to the grocery.

Time and money, it would take a huge bite out of the day....

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
83. Not to mention
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:22 AM
Jun 2015

Also, it isn't possible to even compare Dorchester and Medford from a socio/economic perspective. Medford is largely middle and upper class. While Dorchester has some middle and upperclass residents in certain neighborhoods, the majority of residents are lower to poor. I worked at the two healthcenters for years. Programs like this are needed.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
97. If you are up on Savin Hill in Dorchester, you're doing great....
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jun 2015

Most Dorchester residents don't live there though!

I am ALL for this. It will fill a need.

Medford is nice. Close in, too.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
90. Yup.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 01:06 PM
Jun 2015

I put it in the T's trip planner: bus, train,train, bus. At least an hour ride plus the cost of the fare.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
114. It's actually pretty hard to get *out* of Dorchester on public transit. Intentionally.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:38 AM
Jun 2015

There's that crappy double bendy bus thing, which is never there when they say it's going to be there...

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
21. Aldi and Trader Joe's are run by related people, billionaire brothers, but are not the same entity
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 04:04 PM
Jun 2015
But outside Germany, few know about grocery-store kingpins Karl and Theo Albrecht (who was kidnapped in 1971!)—even though Karl, with a reported net worth of more than 17 billion euros, is the richest man in Germany (Theo’s descendants are a close second).

The Brüder founded their discount-store empire together. A disagreement in 1960 over selling cigarettes hastened a partition, and an epic game of grocery-store Risk: Theo would rename his business Aldi Nord, and would control territories north of the Rhine, plus a healthy chunk of Europe. Karl would head up Aldi Süd, and get southern Germany, more of Europe, plus the U.K. and Ireland. But both companies operate stores in the United States—Aldi Süd operates as Aldi, and Aldi Nord as the now ubiquitous Trader Joe’s.


http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/12/02/aldi_grocery_store_best_in_america_related_to_trader_joe_s.html

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
60. good information but missing a few things
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 05:57 PM
Jun 2015

Trader Joe's is an American Company founded in the 60's by Joe Coloumbe. It was known as Pronto Marts in the beginning and soon became Trader Joe's. Theo fell in love with the store on a visit to the states and it took him a few years to convince Joe to sell. One of the conditions of the sale was that it was to remain in a trust, ensuring that the basic concept would remain the same. I think Theo purchased it in the 70's. I met him before he passed away on one of his yearly visits to the chain, he was a nice man. His son inherited the trust and he has also passed, now the grandchildren control the trust. Aldi's in the states is owned by by Karl Albrecht.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
72. My first TJ's visit that I remember was Newport Beach around 1977
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 07:19 PM
Jun 2015

lots of frozen fish (salmon, tuna, yellowtail, scallops) in cryopac, nuts, fruit and veg, wine and booze. Basically healthier snack foods + RTE + wine/booze. They had the Hawaiian shirts, and chalkboards and rang the bell. One of the things I cooked a lot as a teen was Chicken Marsala and my mother would often get me the chicken, mushrooms, onions and wine at TJ's.

The concept seems related to Trader Vic's (?)

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

NJCher

(35,687 posts)
84. now that was a memory trip
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:32 AM
Jun 2015

Who would believe Trader Vic's was still around? I remember them as a little girl because when we would go in, there would always be a parasol in my kiddie drink. It had to be on vacation, as those locations are nowhere near where I lived as a child.

If you click on the menu cover, there's a pic of a Trader Vic's location in the UK.


Cher

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
105. We didn't get TJ's in the Twin Cities
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 03:18 PM
Jun 2015

until about ten years ago. First time I went in I was knocked out by the cheese counter and have been a fan ever since. The cheddar (or is it Gloucester?) with chives is crack for the tastebuds. Never bought anything from TJ's that was less than excellent. And there's beer and wine under the same roof, with some nice beers that you don't see elsewhere. And Three-buck Chuck hits the spot even for this picky wino, um, oenophile.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
106. Lots of crave-able items in their selections
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 04:09 PM
Jun 2015

The Albany store had buffalo mozzarella for a while -- great for pizza (the original pizza cheese). Gives you that toasted marshmellow style brown blistering and a concentrated creamy taste profile that makes other flavors like roasted peppers, onion, sausage, etc., pop.

My usual basket includes: chocolate covered espresso beans, butter cookies with fudge topping, molten lava cakes, ANY Zinfandels (but especially the old vines) , a loaf of Tuscan pane, jar of pesto, flame roasted meatballs, and anything with sundried tomatoes.

NJCher

(35,687 posts)
107. those are terrific TJ selections
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 04:18 PM
Jun 2015

Now I'm getting the itch to go to Trader's, even though I have a full refrigerator.


Cher

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
54. Nope. Aldi prices are pretty much the same all over.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 05:35 PM
Jun 2015

I looked at the ad for the one in Medford, MA, and I've shopped at ones in CA, MI and WI. The prices are the same all over. It's what I love about them.

No, we all live in the same world, with the same pockets of fuckuppery.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
57. To be honest, I never even heard of Aldi, but I see there's one not far from me.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 05:45 PM
Jun 2015

Now you have me curious!

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
100. For staple stuff and some types of produce
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 02:47 PM
Jun 2015

Aldi can't be beat. I could live nicely with access to only an Aldi, a Trader Joe's and a good Asian market (for certain kinds of veggies, noodles, soy sauces and other sauces like chili paste, hoisin and fish) and never go near a big-box grocery store.

Aldi has a nice variety of rather upscale German chocolate for some reason. A very good thing.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
104. I went to a nearby Aldi last evening. It was clean, small, filled mostly with
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 03:10 PM
Jun 2015

jarred, boxed, bagged, and frozen foods, all with unfamiliar brand names (the food is probably name brands packaged in an Aldi brand). There were a few fresh foods. I bought some pears and they were very good. However, there wasn't enough of a selection of fresh foods for me and Aldi isn't worth my while to go to multiple stores. I'll stick with Market Basket, which also has good prices and lots of fresh produce and pays a living wage to its employees.

However, if you eat a lot of grains (cereal, pasta, bread) and don't mind canned food (BPA, yech!), it's a good place. It's especially good if you're feeding a large family. I like that you pay for a cart and bags (paper or plastic).

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
109. Prices are different here in NC.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 06:14 PM
Jun 2015

I was just at the local Aldi store Thursday, and eggs were 2.09 a dozen. Milk was (I think) 2.35, cheese had a "new low price" -- that will likely not last a week -- of 2.99 for a one pound bag (it's been 3.49 for a while now). Canned green beans and corn are .49, the cheaper peas are .65, and some other canned goods are .89. I get bread from Dollar Tree usually, but loaf bread was 1.99 I think the last time I bought it.

Still lots better than Food Lion, Wal Mart or, gods help us, Harris Teeter.

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
63. Aldi's is not a Trader Joe's store
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jun 2015

Joe Coulombe founded Trader Joe's in the 60's. The only thing that they have in common is that Theo Albrieght bought TJ's in the 70's on the condition that it remain in a trust (Joe wanted the basic concept of the store to remain the same). Corporate Office is and has always been in Monrovia, CA.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
9. Generally, maple syrup lasts a long time -
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 02:59 PM
Jun 2015

From the Massachusetts Maple Producers Association website:

10. How long will maple syrup keep?
Unopened, maple syrup will keep indefinitely. Because it is an all natural product with no preservatives, once opened, a container of maple syrup must be kept refrigerated. If any harmless mold should form on the surface, merely bring the syrup to a slight boil, skim the surface, and pour into a clean container and refrigerate.


http://www.massmaple.org/faq.php

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
85. For those like me who cannot afford genuine maple syrup, the artificial
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:11 AM
Jun 2015

kind pretty much keeps indefinitely as well.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
8. Sure why not? I'd shop there.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 02:55 PM
Jun 2015

I really don't get people sometimes. People in places like Turkey or Colombia shop for food on a daily basis - rendering the "problem" of edible food being sold 'near its expiration date' kind of a 'rich people problem'. If it's edible food, it's edible food. If it's half-price, so much the better. Some of the best eggplant I've had recently was cooked from eggplant which was likely one day away from the garbage bin.

I'll also say this: If you've watched the Food Network show, Chopped, it's fascinating because the cooks are instructed to make a single meal course out of some of the weirdest items, some of them which are - on their own - disgusting, but EDIBLE. When a cook incorporates all items successfully, using condiments and pantry staples to help, it's inspiring to think, if they can make a meal from nothing, so can I.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
12. Isn't this what most of us do daily in our homes?
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 03:17 PM
Jun 2015

We wouldn't be afraid to eat food that was near or even somewhat over its "expiration" date, would we?

Some products are labeled "Best by (date). What does that mean, really? Ambiguous -as "best" is subjective, as far as I can tell.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
16. there is no federal standard for expiration dates...
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 03:46 PM
Jun 2015

they are all arbitrary.

Trash It or Eat It? The Truth About Expiration Dates
http://health.clevelandclinic.org/2014/05/trash-it-or-eat-it-the-truth-about-expiration-dates/

What the dates mean

Federal law does not require food dating in most cases, but 20 states do have laws about dates. In many cases, manufacturers add dates voluntarily.

In general, perishable foods such as meat, poultry, eggs and dairy get dates. But those dates aren’t always about spoilage. Some dates simply inform retailers when products are at their best for freshness, taste and texture.

The label types vary:
•The “Sell by” date indicates how long a store should display a product on its shelves. But foods are still flavorful and safe to eat several days after this date if you store them properly.
•The “Best if used by” date comes straight from manufacturers. The product will be freshest and have the best taste and texture if you eat it by this date. But this date does not refer to food safety.
•The “Use by” date also comes from manufacturers. It’s the last date for peak quality. After this date, taste, texture and quality may go downhill, even if food safety does not.
•The “Expiration” date is the only packaging date related to food safety. If this date has passed, throw the food out.

How long will it last?

Still confused or concerned? Use the following rules of thumb for foods in your fridge or pantry.
•Milk is typically safe for two to three days after the “use by” date. Keep it in the back of the fridge, where temperatures are typically coldest.
•Butter will keep for two to three weeks after purchase.
•Margarine will last for four to six months after purchase.
•Eggs are safe for three to five weeks after purchase. Keep them in the back of the fridge, where temperatures are typically coldest, rather than in the door.
•Chicken, ground meat and ground poultry will last for one to two days after purchase.
•Pre-cooked poultry should keep for three to four days.
•Fish will last one to two days in the refrigerator after purchase.
•Luncheon meat is safe for two to three weeks when it remains unopened. Use within three to four days after opening.
•Dry pasta will last for one to two years after purchase.
•Canned fruits and vegetables will last indefinitely. However, that rule goes out the window if they’re exposed to freezing temperatures or temperatures above 90°F. And be wary of damaged, dented or rusty packaging.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
23. I'm still drinking bottled water that expired 5 years ago.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 04:24 PM
Jun 2015

I bought hurricane provisions, 20 cases of bottled water, 5 cases of vodka, after the 2004 hurricane season.

Still have water, but the vodka didn't last halfway through the season.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
101. The nice thing about booze is that
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 02:49 PM
Jun 2015

it basically keeps forever if unopened and seldom lasts long enough to go bad once it is opened.

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
59. fairly good but I will disagree with a few
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 05:50 PM
Jun 2015

•Dry pasta will last for one to two years after purchase.
Unless wet or left in the sun dry pasta should last indefinitely.

•Canned fruits and vegetables will last indefinitely. However, that rule goes out the window if they’re exposed to freezing temperatures or temperatures above 90°F. And be wary of damaged, dented or rusty packaging.
More important is weather the contents are acidic or not. Acidic items like citrus, tomatoes and vinegar based soups have a shorter life (2-3 years beyond best by date and just a noticeable change in flavor ) than non-acidic items which can exceed 5 years beyond the best by date.

•The “Expiration” date is the only packaging date related to food safety. If this date has passed, throw the food out.
There is no expiration date per say. On medications the Army did a study that found that most drugs were still viable 10 years after the expiration date - notable exceptions being liquids and tetracycline.

-Airplane

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
81. I guess that's marginally better
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 09:59 AM
Jun 2015

but you got my point right? if our economy is so good via the various reports that we get, people should be making a better living and not have to get their food this way.

still a sad state of affairs.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
102. Why throw away perfectly edible food?
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 02:52 PM
Jun 2015

Someone can make good use of it. Food waste is a huge issue in the uS.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
113. I agree, but giving your response to my post it appears as if it sailed over your head.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:18 AM
Jun 2015

never mind, I'm just too tired to care about this.

Mira

(22,380 posts)
15. YES
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 03:45 PM
Jun 2015

this could be a great help. Just like the Goodwill or Salvation army of food.
Besides, it may be the only store many without transportation can get to

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
17. EAT RECYLED FOOD!
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 03:49 PM
Jun 2015
Eat recycled food for a happier healthier life, be kind and peaceful to each other, eat recycled food. Recycled food: It's good for the environment and OK for you.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
19. Our local grocery store allows you to purchase this food
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 03:53 PM
Jun 2015

I make a run by the bins every time I go in the store....I am okay with eating food nearing expiration.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
22. I like the idea of it being a non-profit. I hope someday all our food retailers will operate
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 04:22 PM
Jun 2015

as non-profit cooperatives, our farms too. Maybe we can finally get rid of the megaAgro businesses and Wal-Marts that are helping pollute our planet and keeping nutritious food from reaching poor people.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
24. Those would be pretty good prices for the most part
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 04:25 PM
Jun 2015

here in Santa Fe.

I do volunteer work helping to feed the homeless, and we get a fair amount of the food we serve from a food bank, meaning we get stuff that is real close to its sell by or use by date.

It takes a pretty nimble chef to be able to figure out what to cook to feed a large crowd (often over a hundred) when you don't know until you get to the kitchen what you'll have to work with.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
27. Yea! Giving people in poorer areas a chance to buy food inexpensively is great
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 04:30 PM
Jun 2015

So it has a short shelf life, they will buy what they are going to eat today or this week. It's a great idea.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
76. I agree. And some people would have to take the bus to the T...
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 06:30 AM
Jun 2015

That shit gets expensive especially if you don't have a work provided Charlie card or qualify for a reduced fare.

I remember reading how the French were doing this kind of thing awhile back--everyone thought it was swell when they came up with the idea. It is a nonprofit enterprise that is bringing affordable and good food choices to a neighborhood with few options. This is a win AFAIAC.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
32. Who could object?
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 04:37 PM
Jun 2015

Americans are germophobes when it comes to food. Yes, there can be sickness if something is really spoiled, but we are no longer taught what that looks/smells like. We think anything but visual perfection means food is spoiled. We are so disconnected from what we eat. If the food is not dangerous, why not make it available for less cost?? This is a good idea. Ethnic markets here in Los Angeles work on the same principle. The food is almost half as expensive as the big supermarkets.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
103. Me too, and they pop up on the Nicollet Mall
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 02:54 PM
Jun 2015

every Thursday during the summer, along with some "artisanal" vendors of good stuff like nuts and honey.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
56. Smell doesn't seem to work with produce anymore...
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 05:42 PM
Jun 2015

at least not in grocery stores. Ever buy a lemon that doesn't smell like a lemon? Go to Kroger's, or any other chain that has hot house grown, picked too early, Monsanto seeded produce. I love the Farmer's Market, though.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
61. Definitely
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 06:20 PM
Jun 2015

Most produce was picked green and gassed to get to the right color. I can't tell you how many red bell peppers I have bought that were moldy inside. It is hard to tell anymore.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
64. And finding a good tasting tomato
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 06:34 PM
Jun 2015

is well nigh impossible. I always ask for none on my burger, because they add nothing but mushy blandness

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
89. Lots of produce is coated in wax to retard spoilage.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 01:04 PM
Jun 2015

Cukes, eggplants, and peppers all get this treatment.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
86. You make some good points but on the other hand given all of the food recalls over salmonella
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:14 AM
Jun 2015

contamination who could be blamed for being careful about what they eat? Last year salmonella poisoning caused 19,000 hospitalizations and 380 deaths.

http://www.cdc.gov/salmonella/

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
34. Aye! This is a resourceful endeavor, and helps people who would be without.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 04:39 PM
Jun 2015

So long as they aren't using products that might cause a health risk, I see this as a really, really good thing!

Doc_Technical

(3,526 posts)
35. Caution: Story from old fart about frugal living during childhood!
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 04:46 PM
Jun 2015

One place we could buy cheaper food was at a
Dented Can Store.
I don't recall any cans containing spoiled food and it
was just as good as the undented cans.

For a real adventure we would occasionally buy unlabeled cans.
You never knew what you would find.
The best one was a can of octopus tentacles.

I had peanut butter and jelly sandwiches that night.

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
36. Wasn't there a study that found that access to more nutritious foods didn't improve consumption?
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 04:47 PM
Jun 2015

I can recall the specifics.

KT2000

(20,584 posts)
37. Grocery Outlet
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 04:51 PM
Jun 2015

They sell near to expired date for decent prices. They also sell discontinued products - and that could be that only the packaging has changed. They are a for-profit business. Don't know if they are a franchise or what but they have been a life saver for some of us.

They don't sell prepared meals though - other than the frozen products.

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
49. Grocery Outlets definately one of my favorite stores.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 05:19 PM
Jun 2015

I got some incredible deals - One gallon of blue cheese dressing $1.97.
15 oz black olives $0.57.
Peanut butter as low as $.39 a pound.
56 oz coconut butter (organic) $9.99
right now my favorite store.
-airplane

KT2000

(20,584 posts)
73. Me too!
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 12:49 AM
Jun 2015

toasted sesame oil - $.99
cheese from Ireland - $2.49 for 7 oz
yellow peppers - 2/$1
5 lb. yukon gold potatoes - $1.99
Sabra hummus- $2.49
large yogurts - $1.49

Plus - you never know what is going to be there - and they always tell you how much you saved!


shanti

(21,675 posts)
71. It's my second favorite store
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 07:17 PM
Jun 2015

(next to Costco) and I shop there regularly for over 30 years. Stores all over the West Coast now. First one I ever shopped at was in Yuba City. There, they mostly they sold dented canned food (smashed can warehouse was their joke name, lol) and lots of jug wines.

I heard once that Grocery Outlets in Sacramento (where I am) were being used as test markets for new items. It's believable because they sell a lot of one-offs that I never see anywhere else.

Paper Roses

(7,473 posts)
38. Great idea, I hope it spreads!
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 04:51 PM
Jun 2015

I have seen so much food thrown away by local grocery stores, it makes me sick. One bruise on a green pepper, into the trash---etc.

I wish this was closer to me, I'd go in a minute. My food budget is minimal because of my circumstances. I would gladly buy these goods, do a day of 'cook and freeze' and consider myself lucky.
The stores in my area are top dollar. Sure hurts when the dollars are short and the bills are due. Hope this project expands to my area. We need it!
Kudos to Mr Rauch.

I may try and contact him with specifics about my neck of the woods! There are several TJ's within the region and many towns with a high percentage of low income people who would greatly appreciate this effort.

IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
39. I've had bad luck with TJ's produce while it was in the store
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 04:57 PM
Jun 2015

and pretty much gave up on it since it was spoiled more often than not.

I was surprised to meet hippies who would take food from TJ's dumpsters even perishables like meat and dairy. I had a hippie girlfriend who made me some deer sausage one time and I asked her where she came across deer sausage since I knew she was unemployed. Why, the dumpster outside Trader Joe's of course! I never ate her cooking again.

Which is why I am very skeptical about this. If the fruit is rotten when I pay for it in the store, then how good can it be when it gets dumped?

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
62. About that deer sausage....
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 06:24 PM
Jun 2015

Trader Joe's does not sell deer sausage and hasn't for the more than ten years I have worked for them. I wouldn't eat any thing out of TJ's Dumpsters because if it is in there than it is truly not for human or animal consumption. We pull all our codes a day early and donate to the local food bank (every store has a donations program). We freeze the meat before donation so that it last longer. Any fruit that is not suitable for donations to the food bank gets boxed up and our local bird sanctuary picks it up. In many California stores we also compost. So if it is in the dumpster it's there because it is truly bad.

Sorry you had a problem with your produce, your cashier should have noticed and replaced your fruit before purchase. Sounds like your store may have had a problem with rotation and that should have been brought to the attention of management (Store Captain) We do have a very liberal return policy, you don't like it for any reason and we will refund your money.

IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
80. I'm worried about that deer sausage.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 09:29 AM
Jun 2015

This was 2012 and she claimed it was from the falls church VA TJ's dumpster. Do you sell bison sausage? It definitely wasn't chicken or pork. She would also get milk and cheese from that dumpster. I've had bottled fruit juice from there but nothing else.

And the fruit was packaged in hard plastic so I couldn't tell it was bad until I opened it.

I like TJ's for packaged/frozen stuff and coffee.

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
94. We do sell a frozen bison burger but...
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 02:09 PM
Jun 2015

if it was in the dumpster, the cold chain was compromised and it should not have been eaten.

Yeah, I don't care for the clam shell type packaging. Used to be all of our fruit came that way, the company has moved to more loose fruit and that is better in my opinion. Your cashier still should have turned it over and checked the bottom (that's where you can usually spot a problem). If it should happen again please let the store know and get a refund, you shouldn't pay for spoiled fruit.

Instead of using the dumpster, try to find out what food bank your local TJ's donate's to. You are taking a risk with your health and since you are a fellow Bernie supporter I want you to stay healthy.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
67. I've been very pleased with TJ's products, and their return policy is as good as Costco's...
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 06:43 PM
Jun 2015

...which is saying a lot.

If your nearest TJ's isn't up to snuff, try another, or look up company headquarters online and complain to the top guys.

IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
79. I like TJ's packaged foods and their great alcohol selection.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 09:18 AM
Jun 2015

but their DC stores have been very disappointing for fresh options.

lostnfound

(16,184 posts)
52. Excellent. Saw special on MSNBC about food being wasted.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 05:23 PM
Jun 2015

Something like 40%!to 60% of food in the U.S. is never eaten. So much scrap just for appearance.

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
58. Yea!
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 05:49 PM
Jun 2015

Anyone who has ever worked in the food service industry knows this is a good thing. The amount of perfectly good food thrown away is truly astounding.

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
65. I say yea
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 06:35 PM
Jun 2015

Doug Rauch has been kicking this idea around for awhile. I first read about it last year. I'm glad to see that it is a non-profit.

The Blue Flower

(5,442 posts)
70. The local TJ's donates lots to our food bank
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 07:09 PM
Jun 2015

Our truck drivers at the Ballard Food Bank in N. Seattle get lots of salads, sandwiches, breads, etc. from the local Trader Joe's as well as Whole Foods, Safeway, and QFC. It's always been all about creating the relationships and infrastructure to go out and keep the food out of the dumpsters.

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
111. TJ's has made it the responsibility
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 06:26 PM
Jun 2015

of each individual store to develop a donation program with their local food banks. Our store even donates fruit to the bird sanctuary. I loaded two large banana boxes full of fruit into their van today (yeah I work for TJ's and really love my job).

dembotoz

(16,808 posts)
78. Aldi at least local will discount stuff as it approaches due date
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 08:08 AM
Jun 2015

Red sticker 1 or 2 dollars off
I live on clearance food when ever I can
Shelf space is competitive and if they want to do half off to get rid of stuff
I love to assist


The thing is to look for the discount stuff

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
87. i saw a documentary on food network about this.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:53 AM
Jun 2015

millions of tons of perfectly good food gets thrown away just because it didn't meet certain standards. if it's edible it needs to be eaten!

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
96. I love it.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 02:14 PM
Jun 2015

A chain here sends its damaged and older stuff to a discount outlet as well, but this sounds like a much better run setup.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
99. They call them Grocery Outlet in Spokane, along with about 20 other stores that
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 02:43 PM
Jun 2015

sell the cast offs from places who sell to people with more money. They have found there is profit to be had in that, along with raising the prices at all the secondhand stores, stores that are now moving into more expensive real estate.

I do like the restaurant idea. I think there should be one every 12 square blocks, in a home, for the community. Run by the community.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
110. In theory I like the idea
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 06:18 PM
Jun 2015

The reality I think, is it is a matter of time before someone gets sick and files a lawsuit. Just the nature of our society sadly.

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