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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBernie Sanders Is Surging Among White Democrats, Minorities Love Hillary
When Hillary Clinton gives a speech in Houston on Thursday at a historically-black college calling for 20 days of early voting in every state, she will be reemphasizing her long-held commitment to defending the voting rights of minorities.
She will also be appealing to some of her strongest supporters: non-white Democrats.
In the early stages of the Democratic primary race, one of Clinton's rivals, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, has drawn huge crowds and surged in polls, although he remains well-behind the former secretary of state.
Sanders appears to have been benefited from the much-discussed divide between traditional Democrats like Clinton and those who are more liberal on economic issues like Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren.
But another divide has emerged that favors Clinton: white versus non-white Democrats. In a new Washington Post/ABC News survey, 56 percent of white Democrats backed Clinton, while 14 percent supported Sanders. Among self-described liberals, Sanders had 17 percent support, compared to 63 percent for Clinton. (Vice President Biden, who has given no indication he will run, polled in double-digits among both groups.)
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/bernie-sanders-surging-among-white-democrats-others-really-hillary-n369251
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)The Clinton brand, like the Bush brand, has heavy name recognition. The Obama brand, by contrast, had minimal recognition. What was the outcome of the 2008 election again?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And his name recognition was pretty low nationally.
HornBuckler
(1,015 posts)He is just surging in all demographics and will continue to do so as more people become familiar with him. The name recognition advantage Hillary has is a hard hill to climb but I can see Sanders with the help of a few good Sherpas making the summit.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)It doesn't appear he is surging among Tar Heel state African American Democrats where he trails Hillary 81% -9%
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_NC_60415.pdf
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Jumpin Jack Flash
(242 posts)And he has plenty of it - the debates doesn't start until August...
He'll visit North Carolina and talk.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Zamen
(116 posts)A lot of people who don't follow politics closely won't be that aware of Sanders. Members of political forums like this aren't very typical of people in general.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)there has not been a debate yet. I do not expect him to be surging everywhere.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)remember it. Thanks for answering.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)posted at 12:00 pm on July 24, 2011 by Jazz Shaw
President Obama is under attack these days from all manner of nasty conservatives who dont care for his liberal, big spending ways. They seem to have found an unlikely ally, though, in the person of the only officially declared socialist in Congress Bernie Sanders. (Emphasis in original.)
SANDERS: Brian, believe me, I wish I had the answer to your question. Let me just suggest this. I think there are millions of Americans who are deeply disappointed in the president; who believe that, with regard to Social Security and a number of other issues, he said one thing as a candidate and is doing something very much else as a president; who cannot believe how weak he has been, for whatever reason, in negotiating with Republicans and theres deep disappointment. So my suggestion is, I think one of the reasons the president has been able to move so far to the right is that there is no primary opposition to him and I think it would do this country a good deal of service if people started thinking about candidates out there to begin contrasting what is a progressive agenda as opposed to what Obama is doing. [ ] So I would say to Ryan [sic] discouragement is not an option. I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/24/bernie-sanders-lets-primary-obama/
Yup. If that doesn't win us over, I don't know what will.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I'll bet it'll be just "reminding" us enough about the shady stuff done in the 2008 primary. Yeah. That'll do it!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)In 2012, while Bernie was trying to recruit someone to primary our first black POTUS, this is what the Clintons were doing:
"Explainer In Chief":
I'm just guessing, but I'm almost certain that the more recent history will negate anything that happened 8 years ago.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)than they were in 2008 when we preferred Barack. You need friends. If you stab them in the back, you will lose them. Obama didn't help his cause, with the bad decisions he made and neither are his supporters.
Iowa liberals made the state blue in 2012. How did NC vote? My sisters were forcibly removed to NC by US Airways. They support Bernie. Admittedly they are white Iowa liberals.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)who would have attended the 2012 caucuses other than someone who wanted an Obama party? He had no democratic challengers in 2012.
It's shocking he lost 11% of them. Maybe the went to vote on the Platform?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)The poll measures likely caucus-goers for 2016
Try actually reading the article next time.
Also, Obama has an 89% approval rating from liberal Dems across the USA according to Gallup.
Liberal Dems that disapprove of Obama are few and far between.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)You should probably read the info before posting nonsense.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)admittedly these aren't Bernies likely supporters.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)democrat and attending whatever caucus or primary arrangement they have there. He is offering red meat to these non-voters. Youth jobs, Universal Healthcare, Debt Free University Education, 15 dollar minimum wage.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)If it's non voters you guys are depending on, go for it. The more the better. But why anyone would place their hopes on said group is bewildering in itself. The most loyal sub demographic of the democratic coalition is still AA's, and there's no way around that in a state with a "diverse" population. We saw in 2012 how easily "disillusioned" white democratic voters could become, as many abandoned the party in a tough re-election. At the same time, AA turnout remained high from 2008, while Hispanic and Asian turnout increased. That's the coalition that will elect Hillary Clinton.
I'll say again, Bernie's appeal is limited to a very small subgroup of the democratic coalition. They are much further left than the party, and while they can influence policy, they will not be allowed to take over.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)Bernie. If democrats oppose Bernies agenda I doubt they will last long. So far as I know most african americans approve of Universal Health Care, Youth Jobs, Free College, and a 15 dollar minimum wage.
Iowa is 90% white. Obama won in in 2008 and 2012 NC maybe 1/3 African American. Obama won 2008. Obama lost in 2012.
It looks like there was more of an African American drop off than White Liberal dropoff. Unless you are arguing Obama lost North Carolina because of a drop-off of elitist white liberals.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Something tells me these people aren't exactly pumped at the thought of a "President Hillary Clinton." Chances are they're disgusted by both the Republican and Democratic parties and would welcome a challenge from someone like Sanders.
http://www.ncsbe.gov/webapps/voter_stats/results.aspx?date=06-06-2015
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)I suspect that he is simply becoming the default "not Clinton" and is pulling support from Warren, who is clear she is not running, and possibly undecided. Note that Clinton's own numbers have held firm - indicating that there is not a big surge for Bernie.
As to the white/black issue, I don't get why there are so many Clinton supporters - here and in the media - making this argument. I hated the same argument when John Edwards tried to use a similar attack on Howard Dean.
While I think that Clinton will be the nominee, I doubt that the number of blacks who vote for him in the general election will be appreciably different than the number who will vote for Clinton. Neither are Obama, the first black President. If Bernie were to become the nominee, his biography would become more well known. I am not black, but I would assume the fact that he was one of the brave Northern Jewish kids who came down to help blacks get the vote would not make him a candidate they respect. Not to mention, Burlington is more diverse than the rest of Vermont and I would assume that there are Burlingtonians of color who will vouch for him.
What this REALLY is is an attempt - which stuns me as it is likely so unneeded - to deflate any support for Bernie out of concern that he will lose the election. I suspect that the real concern if he were the nominee is that he will be perceived to extreme on the left - as a socialist. I seriously doubt the problem would be a dearth of black votes.
JI7
(89,252 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Michelle Obama would also have been an excellent candidate for President.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)But what experience does she have for being the most powerful position of the World? I don't think she has any. Perhaps a run for a lower level position should be first.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Anything that will give her some experience.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)I respect and admire Michelle Obama - with whom I attended and graduated from law school - but one of the reasons for the American Revolution was to get rid of hereditary dynasties.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)The Alien and Sedition Act was nothing to be proud of and he came to rue signing it. Repealing it was one of Jefferson's first priorities. Though Adams mellowed in his old age and recognized his mistake. JQ was a very good president.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Neither the second Adams nor the second Bush was as good as the first, and Bill Clinton was no John Adams.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)proverbial 'hard work' onstitutes the single largest source of wealth in the U.S.
To wit, the six family heirs to the Walton family fortune (WalMart) control as much wealth between them as the bottom 48 million Americans combined. That's a number that would make the Medicis or Rothschilds green with envy.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And the US has far too many of them. Especially the wealth/political dynasties.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I don't blame her, when she and her daughters and husband have been insulted on so many levels it's incredible she hasn't done this:
I would have already. Really, I'm not as nice as the Obamas.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)That was 2009. I would have voted for his re-election at any time since then, but had to wait until 2012 to vote for him again.
It was the last time that Barack Obama would be sworn in as president of the United States and he wanted to savor the moment...
Obama began walking off the inaugural platform to go into the Capitol.
He stopped and turned around to look at the scene on the National Mall, filled with hundreds of thousands of people who braved chilly weather to be part of the ceremony.
"I want to take a look, one more time... "I'm not going to see this again," he said.
President Obama pauses to look back at the scene before leaving the platform following the inaugural swearing-in ceremony at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C., Jan. 21, 2013 (Photo by Lawrence Jackson)
http://theobamadiary.com/2014/01/21/rise-and-shine-724/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/21/inauguration-2013-obama-sworn-in-live
I've tried to celebrate every day that he's been POTUS. We'll be missing him for a long time. We have been blessed:
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Please rethink that post.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Black Americans generally recognize that both Bill and Hillary Clinton have been supportive of civil rights, voting rights, and other programs and policies that work in their favor. Sanders comes from a state where there are very few black people, so he has no strong connections to AA voters. When you have a long association with a group of voters, that will be an advantage, and Sanders will not be "stealing" very many black voters from Clinton. She enjoys a distinct advantage is that regard, and it will not go away, in spite of Sanders' socialist and progressive ideas.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)Clinton is a name brand. Bush is a name brand. Outside of Vermont and New England in general, Sanders is largely unknown. I liken this to 2004 when Dean threw his name into the ring. Even before the media sensationalized the "Dean Scream" and killed any chance he had, he became more recognized outside of the northeast. Sanders could very well follow a similar path though I hope he doesn't yell "yeeeahhhh" into the microphone
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Mass
(27,315 posts)For example,MOE on non-white is +/-8.5 %
The MOE on men or women is 6%
The subsamples are so small that drawing conclusion on that level is nearly meaningless.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)This is a proposition I can't wait to be see tested.
Mass
(27,315 posts)you are better than that.
Sanders may be at 10 %, 12 % or even 15 %, and this would still be compatible with the poll.
So, the comment from the OP that Sanders is particularly weak with people of color is not substantiated by this particular poll. Whether it is true or not is a different question which will be tested with results.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)HRC's at 57% Biden is at 13% and Sanders is a at 5% among African Americans in this poll:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/06/03/0603152016nsaweb/
PG 21
HRC's at 62% in this poll , Biden is at 21% and Sanders is at 5% among non whites*in this poll:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/06/01/2016.poll.pdf
PG 32
HRC's at 72% in this poll, Biden is at 16% in this poll , Sanders is at 6% among non whites*in this poll:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2015/06/02/National-Politics/Polling/question_15724.xml?uuid=idkbrgkVEeWVHo4VCQ1krg
So according to the Law of Large Numbers our sample has just got a lot larger , a lot more robust, a lot more consequential, and explanatory.
I am not being snarky but this is a parlor debate. Hillary Clinton is extraordinarily popular among rank and file Latino and African American Democratic primary voters and I see nothing, nothing on the horizon, barring a repeal of the 22nd Amendment to disturb this phenomenon.
Might as well point out she has made three policy speeches and all three were largely targeted at POC.
The only thing left is for these folks to vote. Heterogeneous Nevada and South Carolina which are early caucus and primary states will tell us so, so, so... much.
*these polls don't have categories for African Americans. Latinos, and asians. they just have two categories; white and non-white
oberliner
(58,724 posts)"So, the comment from the OP that Sanders is particularly weak with people of color..."
This isn't in the OP.
The comment is more that Hillary Clinton is particularly strong with those voters, and that Sanders might have more of a challenge turning that around if he is to be successful.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)TheNutcracker
(2,104 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)I think we might considering forgetting this word was even invented.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)Bernie will top out at 20%-23%, and that support will come mainly from very liberal white voters. I don't know why that's hard to understand. Fighting against eighty seven (87%) approval with the party's most loyal sub demo is going to be the toughest mountain Bernie ever tried to climb. I don't think it's personal, it's just that AA's feel that Hillary is best suited to take the reins after President Obama.
Jumpin Jack Flash
(242 posts)when it is tied to inequality of all kinds.
Bernie's goal is to balance the inequality so everyone gets a fair shake,
That includes people of color, minorities, and white people to be together as one.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Maybe he will, but it's a long road to travel from where he's at.
Number23
(24,544 posts)But if he's going to sing the "it's not race, it's class" song that so many of his supporters on DU are singing, he will keep getting creamed by Clinton with minority voters.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)Why do you think that is so?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)to the current president, and the black community at large. We'll be voting for continuity.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)not from Bernie, but from O'Malley. His record on immigration issues is outstanding. When Red states were ready to put up fences to keep out the Central American children, O'Malley had state facilities prepared for them in Maryland.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Hispanics voted for Sen. Hillary Clinton over Sen. Barack Obama by a margin of nearly two-to-one in the race for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, according to an analysis by the Pew Hispanic Center of exit polls taken throughout the primary season. The Centers analysis also finds a sharp increase in Latino electoral participation in 2008, with their share of the Democratic primary vote rising in 16 of the 19 states for which exit polling makes it possible to compare 2008 and 2004 turnout shares.
Latino voters were especially important to Clinton in the mega-states California and Texas, where their share of the primary vote rose dramatically between 2004 and 2008. In California, Latino voters comprised 30% of the turnout (up from 16% in 2004) and in Texas, Latino voters comprised 32% of the turnout (up from 24% in 2004). Clinton would have lost both states were it not for the strong support she received from Latinos.
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2008/03/07/the-hispanic-vote-in-the-2008-democratic-presidential-primaries/
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)Hispanics are big Clinton supporters.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)HRC is to the Left of O'Malley on immigration. (Not to suggest that Hispanics are single issue voters.)
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)The greater part of the primary public doesn't as yet. Give him time.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I don't mean that to be snarky but I think his primary appeal will be to lefty political junkies. Which is why he is so popular here on DU.
Although it could be something bigger is brewing judging by the size of his appearances thus far.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out in the months to come.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)I think someone has it backwards.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Are you implying something about me racially? Because this post sure seems like you are intimating a lot of things without saying them outright.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Why would you think it is about you? It doesn't say anything about Bernie, other than he is not attracting a diverse demographic at the moment.
I really don't get it.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)as in the second person voice we ascribe to the faceless masses that are similar to us by being homo sapiens that are citizens of the US.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I don't know what's up when people over identify with candidates. Or anyone they've never met, lol.
But then again sports fans- I super don't get that either.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)which was the defense or the offense in football until recently. I wondered why different people came out on the field.
Not trying to "over-Identify" here, but yeah, obsession with sports confounds me. And obsession with candidates in politics.
It's worse because politics are about shaping our law and justice system, not just "We won - you pay for the beer"!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It would be an awesome country.
That said, I developed an amazing trick to use when I go to game (which I do enjoy occasionally live, always as a fan's guest) I realized it was disappointing to my dates that I didn't really have anything interesting to say- other that Wow! Or good shot!
Anyway, I decided I'd pick someone nearby and just repeat whatever that said with gusto. It fools everyone all the time, such is the spell of fandom. Even when I admitted doing it, no one ever minded. And I actually learned a few sports words, lol.
what I also learned is that basically it's a big soap opera for the fans- they get very enmeshed in individual players professional and sometimes personal histories, alliances and rivalries and are always super interested in the "arc" of their story.
It sounds just like someone describing their favorite soap opera, including that cat fights.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)In comment that started with:
I think you nailed about 70% of the comments on this (and other political message) boards.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I know some local campaigns I worked on ended up resembling a pissing contest between the two loudest dudes, with women expected to sit on the sidelines and make the sandwiches and nachos.
It's a fairly common scenario. I usually just carve out a helpful task and skip the meetings, because the ego is too much.
I don't see where you would get that from.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)state instead of an area that has a heavy minority population Should have went to NYC. Then he goes to Iowa which also does not have a huge minority population. Same with New Hampshire. It doesn't matter that he has been involved in civil rights issues his whole adult life - that does not count.
Then we get the big argument about economic justice vs social justice and nothing he says about economic justice makes any difference. Even though he talks about the economic issues in black communities. Not enough.
Well if you all are waiting for him to come out against Hillary regarding her speech on voting rights you will be waiting a long time. He was working for voters rights way back in his college days. But of course that cannot be his attitude now even though he has been very consistent on all the issues for the last 40 years.
What Hillary talked about in her civil rights speech regarding voting rights is wonderful and I want her to move on that as soon as she can. Call on the blue state governors to follow Oregon's lead and get this ball rolling. My guess is that she will have the company of 3 other candidates if she does. There is not a single Democratic Party candidate who does not agree with her speech.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)that led to posters here claiming that the poster said he was racist. That was some weird shit. Lucky you missed it then!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)why isn't Hillary out there talking about income inequality, the TPP,College tuition etc.
Could the reason be she doesn't want to touch on the TPP and the income issue because she doesn't want to piss off her Wall St friends
and corporate contributors...Right?
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Voter fraud is not an issue.
For me, the fight for equal access to the voting booth ranks in importance with Marriage equality, gender rights, and women's rights.
We will not solve income inequality until we deal with basic human rights.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Beautiful headline and not at all intended to imply that Sanders supporters are racists!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That is such a bizarre statement.
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)Yet your OP exists.
Bizarre is the word!!!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Data that seems positive for both Hillary and Bernie.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)To some minds, surge among white voters is practically PROOF that it is a white-centered campaign and therefore supports the meme that he is ignoring the "minority" voter issues.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)The implication could also be that Hillary is just stronger among those demographics.
In any case, I think it's pretty innocuous. It is literally just reporting survey data.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)there are more than a few that think ... Once the HRC name recognition thing wears off, "minorities" will be receptive to hear, and accept, the Bernie message and come to their/our senses!
As someone that likes Bernie, in general, I hope he is able to out shout his supporters (here on DU).
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Separate question: Do you think it reflects poorly at all on the Democratic Party that all of the candidates running for the nomination are white?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I cannot think of any African-American or Hispanic or Asian or Native American Democrat that could compete in this race.
Now, if your question goes to the Democratic Party's building/feeding of a pipeline to develop PoC contenders? Well ... It is what it is.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Unless of course you like them? That's not how it works.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)What? "Sanders is very popular with white people, Clinton is very popular with minorities" does not say anything about Sanders as a person - it just explains polls about who is voting for whom. It doesn't say anything about him, or his supporters. He's more popular with white people. That's a simple fact.
Zamen
(116 posts)To court the minority vote.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)but that doesn't make him or his supporters racist either. It just says he has some work to do getting people of color to vote for him.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Geared to divide us?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I may have to slink away from DU for about 18 months or so...
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)??
oberliner
(58,724 posts)This article presents good news about both candidates.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)That is exactly it's design.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That seems very strange to me.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Honestly, I am not understanding this sort of reaction.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Some people will not even abide the discussion of Sanders' currently weak polling in minority communities and his (relatively) strong support from whites without then breaking their legs to pivot to "are you calling Sanders supporters racist?"
THIS is how it starts. Every single damn time.
Cha
(297,323 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)"Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards," Holder declared.
Holder urged Americans of all races to use Black History Month as a time to have a forthright national conversation between blacks and whites to discuss aspects of race which are ignored because they are uncomfortable.
Of course, he was later met with charges of "race baiting", but he spoke truth, and that is always the best defense. If the events of the last couple of weeks here at DU are any indication, this is not just a problem on the political right. You can't bring up race, in any context, without being accused of calling someone a racist. Racial insensitivity does not a racist make, but merely observing and commenting on the lack of diversity at a major Democratic announcement for the highest office in the land, and the reactionary insults that ensued was any clue....then there's some serious self examination that needs to take place.
Number23
(24,544 posts)It's astonishing, isn't it? It is absolutely astonishing. These people with their thumbs up their tookuses and their fingers in their ears trying to shut down every single discussion on race and then want to call black people "Thrid Way!1 Third Way!!' or "infiltrators" of the Dem Party when it becomes pretty apparent that minorities are heavily leaning in one direction for president.
And in every single solitary instance, the folks screaming "STop calling me a racist!11one" the loudest are the ones who need to shut the hell up and listen more to what the few remaining minorities that post here are saying more than anybody. Because for the most part, what I find so interesting is that the few black posters that still post on DU truly do represent a strong majority of black thought. I've not seen any of us express something that is beyond the mainstream of what alot of black folks are saying.
Response to Number23 (Reply #79)
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Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)to discuss our issues openly on the left, I don't see much hope for changing things.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)There is no implication of Sanders being racist in the OP.
Number23
(24,544 posts)The discussion came up because people noted the practically all white crowd when he announced his candidacy, people noticing that the vast majority of his supporters are white, and noting that if he wants to expand his base to minority communities, he is going to have to expand his message.
That's been the totality of the "stop calling Bernie a racist" discussion. And the reactions from certain quarters here has been as telling as it has been moronic.
romanic
(2,841 posts)Bernie is more known among "grassroots" liberals/progressive who tend to skew white while everyone knows Hillary. Him having a lot of white support isn't a bad thing and shouldn't be, it just means Bernie will have to campaign to minorities because most of them don't know him (hell I didn't even know who he was before he got into the race).
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)as African-Americans, Asian-Americans and Latinos are the constituencies that delivered that last two presidential elections to a Democrat:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/1107/Election-results-2012-Who-won-it-for-Obama-video
http://www.scpr.org/blogs/multiamerican/2012/11/08/10969/did-voter-color-deliver-obamas-victory-maybe-so/
Exit polls show that Obama won the Hispanic vote by a dramatic margin of 71 percent to 27 percent, and the black vote by 93 percent. (Incidentally, Obama also won the Asian vote by 73 percent to 26 percent.) Romney, on the other hand, clinched 59 percent of the white vote.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/black-latino-vote-pernicious-narrative-conservative-pundits_n_2101550.html
BluegrassDem
(1,693 posts)He cannot win the nomination without the support of black and Latinos. Young hippie white liberals isn't enough to do it for him. Obama was able to win cause he was able to gather a coalition of blacks and white liberals.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)With a margin of error as wide statistically as the Pacific Ocean, Bernie has little if any support from our fellow African-Americans Brothers and Sisters. Funny!
This is were Educating Our Folks on Why Bernie is the Candidate whose pulse is at the core issue of many African-Americans plight --- INCOME INEQUALITY -- will be a job folks like us will PROUDLY take on the next 18 or so months ahead.
Don't be fooled by this poll. Folks outside of the Bubble --including the MSNBC Bubble -- know the Real Fight is about Survival and One Cannot Survive if the Top 10% continues its quest to make those of a certain income and ethnic background, modern day indenture servants.
Here a Clue: Don't Believe the Hype of this "Poll". It's a sequel many in the African-American community will not fall for -- Again!
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ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Those were his words and I'll find the quotation if anyone doubts it. President Obama has staked a lot of his hopes for a long-lasting economic recovery including job growth on US participation in this treaty. By continually trashing the TPP and its supposedly unconstitutional secrecy etc Bernie is essentially trashing Barack Obama and his promises. Essentially and palpably.
Who do you think POC are going to believe? I can tell you who I believe and it isn't Senator Sanders. In other words Bernie has damaged his own credibility with the voters he needs most to win.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Go Bernie, Go!!
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)You see the problem.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...on economics. That is no secret here.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Because it gives corporations power over us, which is what fascism is. Corporate rule.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)where you don't have to make any sense.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)It's called the 'Third Way®'
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)So, by explaning international trade to the 150% Power, the income inequality of the African-American community will be fixed -- like Puff the Magic Dragon -- in a instant. WHAT?
Umm....no! We saw in its other form NAFTA. It took jobs away from our Communities - The Automobile Industry and thousands of small Mom and Pop African-American businesses in Urban cities across the USA depending on the income of those who formerly worked in the Automobile Industry.
One of the Primary Reasons of INCOME INEQUALITY in the African-American community is the expansion of international trade - 1.0 - called NAFTA.
So the TPP will do what again?
Thanks but we brought the Raggedy Ann T-Shirt and Kool-Aid Stand once and prefer not to do so yet again. President Obama is WRONG as two left shoes on the TPP and Bernie is 200% correct.
Which is why as Bernie keep talking about issues like the TPP and Many Others that has led to INCOME INEQUALITY in OUR COMMUNITIES -- African-Americans will listen more and more. That is a fact you can bank on!
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And he's not going to win national office as a Democrat or anything else unless he changes his tune, and I don't expect him to. And for that reason he can't win the presidency. JMHO, YMMV.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)PG 21
HRC's at 62% in this poll , Biden is at 21% and Sanders is at 5% among non whites*in this poll:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/06/01/2016.poll.pdf
PG 32
HRC's at 72% in this poll, Biden is at 16% in this poll , Sanders is at 6% among non whites*in this poll:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2015/06/02/National-Politics/Polling/question_15724.xml?uuid=idkbrgkVEeWVHo4VCQ1krg
According to the Law of Large Numbers our sample became much more robust and much more significant.
Since announcing her candidacy Secretary Of State Clinton has given three major policy addresses; one on immigration, one on criminal justice reform, and one on voting rights. These issues enjoy much more TOMA-Top Of The Mind Awareness among people of color than the class struggle. Given this and Hillary's advocacy of issues of importance to people of color she will garner around or over 80% of the vote among people of color in the primaries.
I look forward to my proposition being tested in the primaries and vindicated.
*some polls collapse all non whites into one statistical category.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Randy Rhodes self immolated over her. Stephanie Miller rendered herself unlistenable over her. On Yahoo Chat, Republicans and Obama supporters joined together in an all out anti-Hillary feeding frenzy, rendering the chat rooms unusable. Democratic Boards like this became anti-Hillary mosh pits.
And now we have this. Life is fickle sometimes.
JI7
(89,252 posts)even in 2008 Hillary was liked by most in the black community including those who voted for obama.
aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)My memory is dim, but I recall that African-Americans were leaning toward HRC early in the primary race, but then shifted overwhelmingly to Obama after they learned more about him.
Or my memory could be wrong, but that why's I'm asking for a good resource.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Here's an article with some of the data you requested:
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/29/hillary_clintons_latest_hard_choice_how_will_she_solve_her_bernie_sanders_problem/
Once Barack Obama demonstrated he was a viable candidate by winning the homogeneous Iowa caucus African American voters fled Hillary in droves. If she could have at least mitigated her losses among African Americans she probably wins the nomination. I would add that HRC received nearly seventy percent of 2008 Latino Democratic primary votes.
yuiyoshida
(41,832 posts)With Bernie!
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)I think that makes me a minority.
I'm for Bernie.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)It's not based on religion.
Most would fall under the category of white Democrats.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)It shows his numbers surging among a huge segment of Democratic voters. It's actually quite troubling news for the HRC camp.