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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 05:37 PM Jun 2015

Bernie Sanders Is Surging Among White Democrats, Minorities Love Hillary

When Hillary Clinton gives a speech in Houston on Thursday at a historically-black college calling for 20 days of early voting in every state, she will be reemphasizing her long-held commitment to defending the voting rights of minorities.

She will also be appealing to some of her strongest supporters: non-white Democrats.

In the early stages of the Democratic primary race, one of Clinton's rivals, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, has drawn huge crowds and surged in polls, although he remains well-behind the former secretary of state.

Sanders appears to have been benefited from the much-discussed divide between traditional Democrats like Clinton and those who are more liberal on economic issues like Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren.

But another divide has emerged that favors Clinton: white versus non-white Democrats. In a new Washington Post/ABC News survey, 56 percent of white Democrats backed Clinton, while 14 percent supported Sanders. Among self-described liberals, Sanders had 17 percent support, compared to 63 percent for Clinton. (Vice President Biden, who has given no indication he will run, polled in double-digits among both groups.)

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/bernie-sanders-surging-among-white-democrats-others-really-hillary-n369251

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Bernie Sanders Is Surging Among White Democrats, Minorities Love Hillary (Original Post) oberliner Jun 2015 OP
Does name recognition equate to support? guillaumeb Jun 2015 #1
Bernie Sanders is surging among whites oberliner Jun 2015 #2
I don't think he is not surging with non-whites though. HornBuckler Jun 2015 #5
It doesn't appear he is surging among Tar Heel state African American Democrats DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #20
Give Bernie time.. Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #25
Name recognition ... Yeah, that's it ... Name recognition! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #27
Noticed. No comment, however... n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #58
Hillary has been a household name since the 90s Zamen Jun 2015 #131
When is your primary? The candidates are focusing on Iowa and New Hampshire right now. And jwirr Jun 2015 #42
North Carolina's is March 1st - Super Tuesday. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2015 #152
By that time we will have a lot of answers. I have mine written on the calendar but can never jwirr Jun 2015 #156
You're welcome. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2015 #157
Expect that number to change very little, even after we "get to know him". Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #69
You don't? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #101
"reminding" us enough about the shady stuff done in the 2008 primary." Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #135
White liberal Sanders supporters in Iowa are no more obligated to clear the field for Hillary now betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #126
Right now Obama has an 89% approval rating among dem caucus-goers in Iowa. Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #133
It measures 2012 dem caucus goers betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #134
Nope Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #139
The only way you can determine who is 'likely caucus goer' is to measure who went last time. n/t betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #141
Here's the methodology Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #143
Landline surveys of people already making plans to attend = Hardcore old Democrats. betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #146
Thankfully, there aren't enough "Iowa liberals" in NC to make Bernie a threat here. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #136
There are many non-voters so don't get comfortable. Nothing prevents them from registering betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #142
"Offering"? Who are Bernie's natural allies in Congress? The progressive caucus is quite small. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #149
I don't see why african americans would find a white women who offers little more appealing than betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #151
Sometimes it isn't so much the message as it is the messenger. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #153
There are close to 1,750,000 Unaffiliateds in North Carolina. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2015 #148
Good luck with that! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #150
Surging is one thing. Inspiring is another. eom guillaumeb Jun 2015 #6
Surging is an overstatement karynnj Jun 2015 #108
there is only one Obama JI7 Jun 2015 #3
Not exactly. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #7
I like her yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #10
You mean like Senator? nt karynnj Jun 2015 #109
Or House or start at the state level or maybe an Attorney General yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #112
Dynasties are for Republicans. hifiguy Jun 2015 #23
John Adams and John Quincy Adams would disagree you on that dlwickham Jun 2015 #32
John was pretty reactionary. hifiguy Jun 2015 #33
Both the country and the Presidency were a lot different then. The other example is Bush. merrily Jun 2015 #113
Hahaha. I agree with you that was one of the reasons, but currently inheritance and not the KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #106
Dynasties of wealth are just as toxic in a democracy. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #158
She has said more than once that she doesn't have the temperment Obama has. freshwest Jun 2015 #159
+1 Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #14
Already somebody implied some folks don't know why they like the candidate they like./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #18
A song about missing him in January 2009: freshwest Jun 2015 #62
Yes ... Name recognition ... That's it! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #26
I mean, *obviously* black voters won't have heard of him Recursion Jun 2015 #75
Nope... not at all racist Recursion Jun 2015 #74
Other recognition, too HassleCat Jun 2015 #128
Excellent point made. tymorial Jun 2015 #129
As long as everyone comes together for the General Election. nt FLPanhandle Jun 2015 #4
Polls on subsamples tend to be very unreliable. Mass Jun 2015 #8
Are you suggesting that Hillary's strength among people of color is an artifact? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #21
Yes, she is ahead, but the numbers themselves are BS, and you know it because Mass Jun 2015 #48
Other polls DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #52
There is no such comment in the OP oberliner Jun 2015 #98
G.E. POLL . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #9
I'd call Sanders the more "traditional" Dem, aside from that Independent thing :) arcane1 Jun 2015 #11
Exactly! TheNutcracker Jun 2015 #51
Surging...............surging.. pangaia Jun 2015 #12
I said this after his kickoff, and was roundly pilloried for "race baiting". It's good to be right. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #13
So you don't believe in Bernie's social justice philosophy Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #35
At this point, Sanders doesn't seem to have made that case to minority populations mythology Jun 2015 #57
Well said. If he makes the case, minorities will listen. Number23 Jun 2015 #63
Well said! zappaman Jun 2015 #145
You answered that perfectly. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #67
Question. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #123
It's who she's talking to & the issues she's speaking out about. Those same issues are important... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #137
Meh. It's an exaggeration. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #15
Hillary may have some trouble with Latinos KamaAina Jun 2015 #16
Hispanics voted for Sen. Hillary Clinton over Sen. Barack Obama by a margin of nearly two-to-one oberliner Jun 2015 #17
Have you ever heard of "Machismo"? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #56
Yes, so? lunamagica Jun 2015 #132
I doubt it. Beacool Jun 2015 #70
And to this point ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #100
Ironic that Hillary's hard working white people are starting to abandon her for Bernie Fumesucker Jun 2015 #19
She's just like Jesse Jackson geek tragedy Jun 2015 #28
Only lefty political junkies know who Bernie is at this point. hifiguy Jun 2015 #22
Isn't that his base? oberliner Jun 2015 #30
Traditional Democrats are the republican lite ones? PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #24
Of course they are, just ask them Fumesucker Jun 2015 #29
This doesn't surprise me in the least. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #31
It's just empirical evidence confirming anecdotal evidence./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #34
I support Bernie Sanders Aerows Jun 2015 #36
Not about you- it's about how the current demographics for both candidates. bettyellen Jun 2015 #37
I should have said "you" in quotes, I guess, Aerows Jun 2015 #38
Ha! Well I am glad to know you're not taking it personally... bettyellen Jun 2015 #41
I didn't know Aerows Jun 2015 #45
If Americans followed the plot in politics as much as they do sports bettyellen Jun 2015 #49
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #102
I've long believed that some are only interested in politics as a game- that's for sure. bettyellen Jun 2015 #114
Huh? oberliner Jun 2015 #40
I think that is to be expected. Bernie got into trouble because he announced his run in his home jwirr Jun 2015 #39
Careful with the "not enough" weren't those the exact words that spawned a thousand lies here? bettyellen Jun 2015 #43
No idea what you are talking aboout. jwirr Jun 2015 #47
Those were the last words in a post about Sanders campaign.... bettyellen Jun 2015 #50
Yeah, I am often glad I am missing thing lately. jwirr Jun 2015 #53
Yeah, I been around too much lately.... Server issues leaving me in work limbo. :-( bettyellen Jun 2015 #55
Sure voting rights,voter fraud is an issue but INdemo Jun 2015 #44
The calculated denial of the right to vote is an issue. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #104
And we're off! Bonobo Jun 2015 #46
In what universe could it possibly imply that? oberliner Jun 2015 #54
How is it possible? U4ikLefty Jun 2015 #59
The OP is just reporting data oberliner Jun 2015 #93
I don't think it's that hard to see. Surprised I'd have to explain it. Bonobo Jun 2015 #60
It's NBC News' title not Oberliner's. title./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #66
That is different than implying Sanders is racist oberliner Jun 2015 #94
Yeah that's weird; but, I suspect ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #105
It will be interesting to see how it plays out oberliner Jun 2015 #107
No. Not particularly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #110
Inflammatory bullshit. No one can report on demographics now- bettyellen Jun 2015 #115
It doesn't say anything like that gollygee Jun 2015 #118
I felt the implication was that Sanders wasn't doing enough Zamen Jun 2015 #127
I don't think he is doing enough to court people of color to vote for him gollygee Jun 2015 #130
That is a very strange title for an article. madfloridian Jun 2015 #61
Dog whistle AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #65
You know what else is a dog whistle? "Name recognition" Recursion Jun 2015 #76
How is that a 'dog whistle'? AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #78
What do you mean by that? oberliner Jun 2015 #96
. AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #124
Seems to me Egnever Jun 2015 #77
Seriously? oberliner Jun 2015 #97
NBC News is gearing it's titles to divide DU? oberliner Jun 2015 #95
From Gravity's Rainbow: deutsey Jun 2015 #116
Do you see the reactions to your OP? This is how the "people called Bernie a racist" lie got started Number23 Jun 2015 #64
yeah, we see them.. Cha Jun 2015 #71
You know who addressed this better than you & I ever could? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #72
"You can't bring up race, in any context, without being accused of calling someone a racist". Number23 Jun 2015 #79
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #117
Not sure what "Name Removed" had to say, but it must have been a pip. If we're too cowardly... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #154
Honestly find it very strange oberliner Jun 2015 #99
There's been no implication of Sanders being racist anywhere. Number23 Jun 2015 #155
Not surprising. romanic Jun 2015 #68
This bodes well for Hillary in Nov. 2016 ucrdem Jun 2015 #73
This is why Bernie has no prayer of winning the primaries BluegrassDem Jun 2015 #80
Amazing that it is implied from a Poll.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2015 #81
Here's the problem: Bernie has made opposition to the TPP the centerpiece of his campaign. ucrdem Jun 2015 #82
TPP = Fascism AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #84
Fine, and what does that make President Obama? ucrdem Jun 2015 #85
It makes him a right wing Democrat AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #86
LOL. Democracts aren't fascists. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #89
No, but TPP is AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #90
You can't have it both ways. Except of course on the internet ucrdem Jun 2015 #91
Sure you can AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #147
WHAT? LovingA2andMI Jun 2015 #87
The fact is that whether it passes or not Sanders has made himself an Obama opponent. ucrdem Jun 2015 #92
Here are three more polls from the same time period that suggest the same exact phenomenon DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #103
She was ruthlessly pummelled by Obama supporters in 08 AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #83
there are people outside of chat rooms and media personalities JI7 Jun 2015 #88
Does anyone have a good source for 2008 Dem primary candidates and demographics? aikoaiko Jun 2015 #111
Your analysis is correct... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #119
I am a Minoritiy and I will stand yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #120
This so-called "minority" leans towards Sanders, fwiw... Blue_Tires Jun 2015 #121
I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jun 2015 #122
Jews are about what? 1.4% of the US population. Bonobo Jun 2015 #125
The majority of Jews in the US are white Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #144
An obvious NBC pant load. How many political ads will Hillary be airing on NBC? L0oniX Jun 2015 #138
This article is very positive about Sanders oberliner Jun 2015 #140

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. Does name recognition equate to support?
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 05:40 PM
Jun 2015

The Clinton brand, like the Bush brand, has heavy name recognition. The Obama brand, by contrast, had minimal recognition. What was the outcome of the 2008 election again?

HornBuckler

(1,015 posts)
5. I don't think he is not surging with non-whites though.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 05:56 PM
Jun 2015

He is just surging in all demographics and will continue to do so as more people become familiar with him. The name recognition advantage Hillary has is a hard hill to climb but I can see Sanders with the help of a few good Sherpas making the summit.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
20. It doesn't appear he is surging among Tar Heel state African American Democrats
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 07:23 PM
Jun 2015

It doesn't appear he is surging among Tar Heel state African American Democrats where he trails Hillary 81% -9%



http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_NC_60415.pdf


(PG 49)

 

Jumpin Jack Flash

(242 posts)
25. Give Bernie time..
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 07:50 PM
Jun 2015

And he has plenty of it - the debates doesn't start until August...

He'll visit North Carolina and talk.



 

Zamen

(116 posts)
131. Hillary has been a household name since the 90s
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 02:09 PM
Jun 2015

A lot of people who don't follow politics closely won't be that aware of Sanders. Members of political forums like this aren't very typical of people in general.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
42. When is your primary? The candidates are focusing on Iowa and New Hampshire right now. And
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:53 PM
Jun 2015

there has not been a debate yet. I do not expect him to be surging everywhere.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
156. By that time we will have a lot of answers. I have mine written on the calendar but can never
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jun 2015

remember it. Thanks for answering.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
69. Expect that number to change very little, even after we "get to know him".
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 01:24 AM
Jun 2015
Bernie Sanders: Let’s primary Obama
posted at 12:00 pm on July 24, 2011 by Jazz Shaw

President Obama is under attack these days from all manner of nasty conservatives who don’t care for his liberal, big spending ways. They seem to have found an unlikely ally, though, in the person of the only officially declared socialist in Congress… Bernie Sanders. (Emphasis in original.)

SANDERS: Brian, believe me, I wish I had the answer to your question. Let me just suggest this. I think there are millions of Americans who are deeply disappointed in the president; who believe that, with regard to Social Security and a number of other issues, he said one thing as a candidate and is doing something very much else as a president; who cannot believe how weak he has been, for whatever reason, in negotiating with Republicans and there’s deep disappointment. So my suggestion is, I think one of the reasons the president has been able to move so far to the right is that there is no primary opposition to him and I think it would do this country a good deal of service if people started thinking about candidates out there to begin contrasting what is a progressive agenda as opposed to what Obama is doing. […] So I would say to Ryan [sic] discouragement is not an option. I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition.


http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/24/bernie-sanders-lets-primary-obama/

Yup. If that doesn't win us over, I don't know what will.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
101. You don't? ...
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 08:36 AM
Jun 2015
Yup. If that doesn't win us over, I don't know what will.


I'll bet it'll be just "reminding" us enough about the shady stuff done in the 2008 primary. Yeah. That'll do it!

Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
135. "reminding" us enough about the shady stuff done in the 2008 primary."
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 03:52 PM
Jun 2015

In 2012, while Bernie was trying to recruit someone to primary our first black POTUS, this is what the Clintons were doing:

"Explainer In Chief":


I'm just guessing, but I'm almost certain that the more recent history will negate anything that happened 8 years ago.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
126. White liberal Sanders supporters in Iowa are no more obligated to clear the field for Hillary now
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 12:40 PM
Jun 2015

than they were in 2008 when we preferred Barack. You need friends. If you stab them in the back, you will lose them. Obama didn't help his cause, with the bad decisions he made and neither are his supporters.

Iowa liberals made the state blue in 2012. How did NC vote? My sisters were forcibly removed to NC by US Airways. They support Bernie. Admittedly they are white Iowa liberals.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
134. It measures 2012 dem caucus goers
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 03:50 PM
Jun 2015

who would have attended the 2012 caucuses other than someone who wanted an Obama party? He had no democratic challengers in 2012.

It's shocking he lost 11% of them. Maybe the went to vote on the Platform?

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
139. Nope
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 04:08 PM
Jun 2015

The poll measures likely caucus-goers for 2016

Try actually reading the article next time.

Also, Obama has an 89% approval rating from liberal Dems across the USA according to Gallup.

Liberal Dems that disapprove of Obama are few and far between.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
146. Landline surveys of people already making plans to attend = Hardcore old Democrats.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 04:27 PM
Jun 2015

admittedly these aren't Bernies likely supporters.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
142. There are many non-voters so don't get comfortable. Nothing prevents them from registering
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 04:17 PM
Jun 2015

democrat and attending whatever caucus or primary arrangement they have there. He is offering red meat to these non-voters. Youth jobs, Universal Healthcare, Debt Free University Education, 15 dollar minimum wage.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
149. "Offering"? Who are Bernie's natural allies in Congress? The progressive caucus is quite small.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 05:31 PM
Jun 2015

If it's non voters you guys are depending on, go for it. The more the better. But why anyone would place their hopes on said group is bewildering in itself. The most loyal sub demographic of the democratic coalition is still AA's, and there's no way around that in a state with a "diverse" population. We saw in 2012 how easily "disillusioned" white democratic voters could become, as many abandoned the party in a tough re-election. At the same time, AA turnout remained high from 2008, while Hispanic and Asian turnout increased. That's the coalition that will elect Hillary Clinton.

I'll say again, Bernie's appeal is limited to a very small subgroup of the democratic coalition. They are much further left than the party, and while they can influence policy, they will not be allowed to take over.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
151. I don't see why african americans would find a white women who offers little more appealing than
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 06:03 PM
Jun 2015

Bernie. If democrats oppose Bernies agenda I doubt they will last long. So far as I know most african americans approve of Universal Health Care, Youth Jobs, Free College, and a 15 dollar minimum wage.

Iowa is 90% white. Obama won in in 2008 and 2012 NC maybe 1/3 African American. Obama won 2008. Obama lost in 2012.

It looks like there was more of an African American drop off than White Liberal dropoff. Unless you are arguing Obama lost North Carolina because of a drop-off of elitist white liberals.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
148. There are close to 1,750,000 Unaffiliateds in North Carolina.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 05:23 PM
Jun 2015

Something tells me these people aren't exactly pumped at the thought of a "President Hillary Clinton." Chances are they're disgusted by both the Republican and Democratic parties and would welcome a challenge from someone like Sanders.

http://www.ncsbe.gov/webapps/voter_stats/results.aspx?date=06-06-2015

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
108. Surging is an overstatement
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 09:17 AM
Jun 2015

I suspect that he is simply becoming the default "not Clinton" and is pulling support from Warren, who is clear she is not running, and possibly undecided. Note that Clinton's own numbers have held firm - indicating that there is not a big surge for Bernie.

As to the white/black issue, I don't get why there are so many Clinton supporters - here and in the media - making this argument. I hated the same argument when John Edwards tried to use a similar attack on Howard Dean.

While I think that Clinton will be the nominee, I doubt that the number of blacks who vote for him in the general election will be appreciably different than the number who will vote for Clinton. Neither are Obama, the first black President. If Bernie were to become the nominee, his biography would become more well known. I am not black, but I would assume the fact that he was one of the brave Northern Jewish kids who came down to help blacks get the vote would not make him a candidate they respect. Not to mention, Burlington is more diverse than the rest of Vermont and I would assume that there are Burlingtonians of color who will vouch for him.

What this REALLY is is an attempt - which stuns me as it is likely so unneeded - to deflate any support for Bernie out of concern that he will lose the election. I suspect that the real concern if he were the nominee is that he will be perceived to extreme on the left - as a socialist. I seriously doubt the problem would be a dearth of black votes.






 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
10. I like her
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 06:09 PM
Jun 2015

But what experience does she have for being the most powerful position of the World? I don't think she has any. Perhaps a run for a lower level position should be first.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
112. Or House or start at the state level or maybe an Attorney General
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 09:25 AM
Jun 2015

Anything that will give her some experience.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
23. Dynasties are for Republicans.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 07:48 PM
Jun 2015

I respect and admire Michelle Obama - with whom I attended and graduated from law school - but one of the reasons for the American Revolution was to get rid of hereditary dynasties.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
33. John was pretty reactionary.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 08:37 PM
Jun 2015

The Alien and Sedition Act was nothing to be proud of and he came to rue signing it. Repealing it was one of Jefferson's first priorities. Though Adams mellowed in his old age and recognized his mistake. JQ was a very good president.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
113. Both the country and the Presidency were a lot different then. The other example is Bush.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 09:37 AM
Jun 2015

Neither the second Adams nor the second Bush was as good as the first, and Bill Clinton was no John Adams.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
106. Hahaha. I agree with you that was one of the reasons, but currently inheritance and not the
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 09:02 AM
Jun 2015

proverbial 'hard work' onstitutes the single largest source of wealth in the U.S.

To wit, the six family heirs to the Walton family fortune (WalMart) control as much wealth between them as the bottom 48 million Americans combined. That's a number that would make the Medicis or Rothschilds green with envy.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
158. Dynasties of wealth are just as toxic in a democracy.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 06:54 PM
Jun 2015

And the US has far too many of them. Especially the wealth/political dynasties.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
159. She has said more than once that she doesn't have the temperment Obama has.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:02 PM
Jun 2015

I don't blame her, when she and her daughters and husband have been insulted on so many levels it's incredible she hasn't done this:



I would have already. Really, I'm not as nice as the Obamas.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
62. A song about missing him in January 2009:
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:50 PM
Jun 2015


That was 2009. I would have voted for his re-election at any time since then, but had to wait until 2012 to vote for him again.

It was the last time that Barack Obama would be sworn in as president of the United States and he wanted to savor the moment...

Obama began walking off the inaugural platform to go into the Capitol.

He stopped and turned around to look at the scene on the National Mall, filled with hundreds of thousands of people who braved chilly weather to be part of the ceremony.

"I want to take a look, one more time... "I'm not going to see this again," he said.



President Obama pauses to look back at the scene before leaving the platform following the inaugural swearing-in ceremony at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C., Jan. 21, 2013 (Photo by Lawrence Jackson)

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/01/21/rise-and-shine-724/

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/21/inauguration-2013-obama-sworn-in-live

I've tried to celebrate every day that he's been POTUS. We'll be missing him for a long time. We have been blessed:



 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
128. Other recognition, too
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 12:45 PM
Jun 2015

Black Americans generally recognize that both Bill and Hillary Clinton have been supportive of civil rights, voting rights, and other programs and policies that work in their favor. Sanders comes from a state where there are very few black people, so he has no strong connections to AA voters. When you have a long association with a group of voters, that will be an advantage, and Sanders will not be "stealing" very many black voters from Clinton. She enjoys a distinct advantage is that regard, and it will not go away, in spite of Sanders' socialist and progressive ideas.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
129. Excellent point made.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 12:46 PM
Jun 2015

Clinton is a name brand. Bush is a name brand. Outside of Vermont and New England in general, Sanders is largely unknown. I liken this to 2004 when Dean threw his name into the ring. Even before the media sensationalized the "Dean Scream" and killed any chance he had, he became more recognized outside of the northeast. Sanders could very well follow a similar path though I hope he doesn't yell "yeeeahhhh" into the microphone

Mass

(27,315 posts)
8. Polls on subsamples tend to be very unreliable.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 06:00 PM
Jun 2015

For example,MOE on non-white is +/-8.5 %
The MOE on men or women is 6%

The subsamples are so small that drawing conclusion on that level is nearly meaningless.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
21. Are you suggesting that Hillary's strength among people of color is an artifact?
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 07:26 PM
Jun 2015

This is a proposition I can't wait to be see tested.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
48. Yes, she is ahead, but the numbers themselves are BS, and you know it because
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:07 PM
Jun 2015

you are better than that.

Sanders may be at 10 %, 12 % or even 15 %, and this would still be compatible with the poll.

So, the comment from the OP that Sanders is particularly weak with people of color is not substantiated by this particular poll. Whether it is true or not is a different question which will be tested with results.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
52. Other polls
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:30 PM
Jun 2015

HRC's at 57% Biden is at 13% and Sanders is a at 5% among African Americans in this poll:


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/06/03/0603152016nsaweb/


PG 21

HRC's at 62% in this poll , Biden is at 21% and Sanders is at 5% among non whites*in this poll:



http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/06/01/2016.poll.pdf


PG 32


HRC's at 72% in this poll, Biden is at 16% in this poll , Sanders is at 6% among non whites*in this poll:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2015/06/02/National-Politics/Polling/question_15724.xml?uuid=idkbrgkVEeWVHo4VCQ1krg


So according to the Law of Large Numbers our sample has just got a lot larger , a lot more robust, a lot more consequential, and explanatory.


I am not being snarky but this is a parlor debate. Hillary Clinton is extraordinarily popular among rank and file Latino and African American Democratic primary voters and I see nothing, nothing on the horizon, barring a repeal of the 22nd Amendment to disturb this phenomenon.

Might as well point out she has made three policy speeches and all three were largely targeted at POC.

The only thing left is for these folks to vote. Heterogeneous Nevada and South Carolina which are early caucus and primary states will tell us so, so, so... much.


*these polls don't have categories for African Americans. Latinos, and asians. they just have two categories; white and non-white

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
98. There is no such comment in the OP
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 06:30 AM
Jun 2015

"So, the comment from the OP that Sanders is particularly weak with people of color..."

This isn't in the OP.

The comment is more that Hillary Clinton is particularly strong with those voters, and that Sanders might have more of a challenge turning that around if he is to be successful.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
13. I said this after his kickoff, and was roundly pilloried for "race baiting". It's good to be right.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 06:36 PM
Jun 2015

Bernie will top out at 20%-23%, and that support will come mainly from very liberal white voters. I don't know why that's hard to understand. Fighting against eighty seven (87%) approval with the party's most loyal sub demo is going to be the toughest mountain Bernie ever tried to climb. I don't think it's personal, it's just that AA's feel that Hillary is best suited to take the reins after President Obama.

 

Jumpin Jack Flash

(242 posts)
35. So you don't believe in Bernie's social justice philosophy
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:04 PM
Jun 2015

when it is tied to inequality of all kinds.

Bernie's goal is to balance the inequality so everyone gets a fair shake,

That includes people of color, minorities, and white people to be together as one.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
57. At this point, Sanders doesn't seem to have made that case to minority populations
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:11 PM
Jun 2015

Maybe he will, but it's a long road to travel from where he's at.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
63. Well said. If he makes the case, minorities will listen.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:54 PM
Jun 2015

But if he's going to sing the "it's not race, it's class" song that so many of his supporters on DU are singing, he will keep getting creamed by Clinton with minority voters.

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
123. Question.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 11:47 AM
Jun 2015
I don't think it's personal, it's just that AA's feel that Hillary is best suited to take the reins after President Obama.


Why do you think that is so?

Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
137. It's who she's talking to & the issues she's speaking out about. Those same issues are important...
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 04:02 PM
Jun 2015

to the current president, and the black community at large. We'll be voting for continuity.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
16. Hillary may have some trouble with Latinos
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 07:06 PM
Jun 2015

not from Bernie, but from O'Malley. His record on immigration issues is outstanding. When Red states were ready to put up fences to keep out the Central American children, O'Malley had state facilities prepared for them in Maryland.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
17. Hispanics voted for Sen. Hillary Clinton over Sen. Barack Obama by a margin of nearly two-to-one
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 07:12 PM
Jun 2015

Hispanics voted for Sen. Hillary Clinton over Sen. Barack Obama by a margin of nearly two-to-one in the race for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, according to an analysis by the Pew Hispanic Center of exit polls taken throughout the primary season. The Center’s analysis also finds a sharp increase in Latino electoral participation in 2008, with their share of the Democratic primary vote rising in 16 of the 19 states for which exit polling makes it possible to compare 2008 and 2004 turnout shares.

Latino voters were especially important to Clinton in the mega-states California and Texas, where their share of the primary vote rose dramatically between 2004 and 2008. In California, Latino voters comprised 30% of the turnout (up from 16% in 2004) and in Texas, Latino voters comprised 32% of the turnout (up from 24% in 2004). Clinton would have lost both states were it not for the strong support she received from Latinos.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2008/03/07/the-hispanic-vote-in-the-2008-democratic-presidential-primaries/

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
100. And to this point ...
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 08:32 AM
Jun 2015

HRC is to the Left of O'Malley on immigration. (Not to suggest that Hispanics are single issue voters.)

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
22. Only lefty political junkies know who Bernie is at this point.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 07:46 PM
Jun 2015

The greater part of the primary public doesn't as yet. Give him time.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
30. Isn't that his base?
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 08:23 PM
Jun 2015

I don't mean that to be snarky but I think his primary appeal will be to lefty political junkies. Which is why he is so popular here on DU.

Although it could be something bigger is brewing judging by the size of his appearances thus far.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out in the months to come.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
24. Traditional Democrats are the republican lite ones?
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 07:49 PM
Jun 2015
Sanders appears to have been benefited from the much-discussed divide between traditional Democrats like Clinton and those who are more liberal on economic issues like Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren.


I think someone has it backwards.




 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
36. I support Bernie Sanders
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:07 PM
Jun 2015

Are you implying something about me racially? Because this post sure seems like you are intimating a lot of things without saying them outright.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
37. Not about you- it's about how the current demographics for both candidates.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:20 PM
Jun 2015

Why would you think it is about you? It doesn't say anything about Bernie, other than he is not attracting a diverse demographic at the moment.

I really don't get it.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
38. I should have said "you" in quotes, I guess,
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:25 PM
Jun 2015

as in the second person voice we ascribe to the faceless masses that are similar to us by being homo sapiens that are citizens of the US.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
41. Ha! Well I am glad to know you're not taking it personally...
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:53 PM
Jun 2015

I don't know what's up when people over identify with candidates. Or anyone they've never met, lol.
But then again sports fans- I super don't get that either.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
45. I didn't know
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:56 PM
Jun 2015

which was the defense or the offense in football until recently. I wondered why different people came out on the field.

Not trying to "over-Identify" here, but yeah, obsession with sports confounds me. And obsession with candidates in politics.

It's worse because politics are about shaping our law and justice system, not just "We won - you pay for the beer"!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
49. If Americans followed the plot in politics as much as they do sports
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:13 PM
Jun 2015

It would be an awesome country.

That said, I developed an amazing trick to use when I go to game (which I do enjoy occasionally live, always as a fan's guest) I realized it was disappointing to my dates that I didn't really have anything interesting to say- other that Wow! Or good shot!
Anyway, I decided I'd pick someone nearby and just repeat whatever that said with gusto. It fools everyone all the time, such is the spell of fandom. Even when I admitted doing it, no one ever minded. And I actually learned a few sports words, lol.

what I also learned is that basically it's a big soap opera for the fans- they get very enmeshed in individual players professional and sometimes personal histories, alliances and rivalries and are always super interested in the "arc" of their story.
It sounds just like someone describing their favorite soap opera, including that cat fights.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
102. LOL ...
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 08:46 AM
Jun 2015


I decided I'd pick someone nearby and just repeat whatever that said with gusto. It fools everyone all the time,


In comment that started with:

If Americans followed the plot in politics as much as they do sports




I think you nailed about 70% of the comments on this (and other political message) boards.
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
114. I've long believed that some are only interested in politics as a game- that's for sure.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:08 AM
Jun 2015

I know some local campaigns I worked on ended up resembling a pissing contest between the two loudest dudes, with women expected to sit on the sidelines and make the sandwiches and nachos.
It's a fairly common scenario. I usually just carve out a helpful task and skip the meetings, because the ego is too much.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
39. I think that is to be expected. Bernie got into trouble because he announced his run in his home
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:50 PM
Jun 2015

state instead of an area that has a heavy minority population Should have went to NYC. Then he goes to Iowa which also does not have a huge minority population. Same with New Hampshire. It doesn't matter that he has been involved in civil rights issues his whole adult life - that does not count.

Then we get the big argument about economic justice vs social justice and nothing he says about economic justice makes any difference. Even though he talks about the economic issues in black communities. Not enough.

Well if you all are waiting for him to come out against Hillary regarding her speech on voting rights you will be waiting a long time. He was working for voters rights way back in his college days. But of course that cannot be his attitude now even though he has been very consistent on all the issues for the last 40 years.

What Hillary talked about in her civil rights speech regarding voting rights is wonderful and I want her to move on that as soon as she can. Call on the blue state governors to follow Oregon's lead and get this ball rolling. My guess is that she will have the company of 3 other candidates if she does. There is not a single Democratic Party candidate who does not agree with her speech.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
50. Those were the last words in a post about Sanders campaign....
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 10:20 PM
Jun 2015

that led to posters here claiming that the poster said he was racist. That was some weird shit. Lucky you missed it then!

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
44. Sure voting rights,voter fraud is an issue but
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:56 PM
Jun 2015

why isn't Hillary out there talking about income inequality, the TPP,College tuition etc.
Could the reason be she doesn't want to touch on the TPP and the income issue because she doesn't want to piss off her Wall St friends
and corporate contributors...Right?

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
104. The calculated denial of the right to vote is an issue.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 08:57 AM
Jun 2015

Voter fraud is not an issue.

For me, the fight for equal access to the voting booth ranks in importance with Marriage equality, gender rights, and women's rights.

We will not solve income inequality until we deal with basic human rights.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
46. And we're off!
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 09:59 PM
Jun 2015

Beautiful headline and not at all intended to imply that Sanders supporters are racists!

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
60. I don't think it's that hard to see. Surprised I'd have to explain it.
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:27 PM
Jun 2015

To some minds, surge among white voters is practically PROOF that it is a white-centered campaign and therefore supports the meme that he is ignoring the "minority" voter issues.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
94. That is different than implying Sanders is racist
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 06:23 AM
Jun 2015

The implication could also be that Hillary is just stronger among those demographics.

In any case, I think it's pretty innocuous. It is literally just reporting survey data.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
105. Yeah that's weird; but, I suspect ...
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 08:58 AM
Jun 2015

there are more than a few that think ... Once the HRC name recognition thing wears off, "minorities" will be receptive to hear, and accept, the Bernie message and come to their/our senses!

As someone that likes Bernie, in general, I hope he is able to out shout his supporters (here on DU).

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
107. It will be interesting to see how it plays out
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 09:05 AM
Jun 2015

Separate question: Do you think it reflects poorly at all on the Democratic Party that all of the candidates running for the nomination are white?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
110. No. Not particularly ...
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 09:22 AM
Jun 2015

I cannot think of any African-American or Hispanic or Asian or Native American Democrat that could compete in this race.

Now, if your question goes to the Democratic Party's building/feeding of a pipeline to develop PoC contenders? Well ... It is what it is.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
115. Inflammatory bullshit. No one can report on demographics now-
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:10 AM
Jun 2015

Unless of course you like them? That's not how it works.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
118. It doesn't say anything like that
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:20 AM
Jun 2015

What? "Sanders is very popular with white people, Clinton is very popular with minorities" does not say anything about Sanders as a person - it just explains polls about who is voting for whom. It doesn't say anything about him, or his supporters. He's more popular with white people. That's a simple fact.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
130. I don't think he is doing enough to court people of color to vote for him
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 01:06 PM
Jun 2015

but that doesn't make him or his supporters racist either. It just says he has some work to do getting people of color to vote for him.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
76. You know what else is a dog whistle? "Name recognition"
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 02:49 AM
Jun 2015

I may have to slink away from DU for about 18 months or so...

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
95. NBC News is gearing it's titles to divide DU?
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 06:24 AM
Jun 2015

Honestly, I am not understanding this sort of reaction.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
64. Do you see the reactions to your OP? This is how the "people called Bernie a racist" lie got started
Fri Jun 5, 2015, 11:58 PM
Jun 2015

Some people will not even abide the discussion of Sanders' currently weak polling in minority communities and his (relatively) strong support from whites without then breaking their legs to pivot to "are you calling Sanders supporters racist?"

THIS is how it starts. Every single damn time.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
71. yeah, we see them..
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 01:29 AM
Jun 2015
St Bernie is perfect.. no need for discussion. I know Bernie doesn't fee that way.. what convoluted mess.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
72. You know who addressed this better than you & I ever could?
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 01:53 AM
Jun 2015


"Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards," Holder declared.

Holder urged Americans of all races to use Black History Month as a time to have a forthright national conversation between blacks and whites to discuss aspects of race which are ignored because they are uncomfortable.


Of course, he was later met with charges of "race baiting", but he spoke truth, and that is always the best defense. If the events of the last couple of weeks here at DU are any indication, this is not just a problem on the political right. You can't bring up race, in any context, without being accused of calling someone a racist. Racial insensitivity does not a racist make, but merely observing and commenting on the lack of diversity at a major Democratic announcement for the highest office in the land, and the reactionary insults that ensued was any clue....then there's some serious self examination that needs to take place.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
79. "You can't bring up race, in any context, without being accused of calling someone a racist".
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 03:16 AM
Jun 2015

It's astonishing, isn't it? It is absolutely astonishing. These people with their thumbs up their tookuses and their fingers in their ears trying to shut down every single discussion on race and then want to call black people "Thrid Way!1 Third Way!!' or "infiltrators" of the Dem Party when it becomes pretty apparent that minorities are heavily leaning in one direction for president.

And in every single solitary instance, the folks screaming "STop calling me a racist!11one" the loudest are the ones who need to shut the hell up and listen more to what the few remaining minorities that post here are saying more than anybody. Because for the most part, what I find so interesting is that the few black posters that still post on DU truly do represent a strong majority of black thought. I've not seen any of us express something that is beyond the mainstream of what alot of black folks are saying.

Response to Number23 (Reply #79)

Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
154. Not sure what "Name Removed" had to say, but it must have been a pip. If we're too cowardly...
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 06:16 PM
Jun 2015

to discuss our issues openly on the left, I don't see much hope for changing things.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
155. There's been no implication of Sanders being racist anywhere.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 06:25 PM
Jun 2015

The discussion came up because people noted the practically all white crowd when he announced his candidacy, people noticing that the vast majority of his supporters are white, and noting that if he wants to expand his base to minority communities, he is going to have to expand his message.

That's been the totality of the "stop calling Bernie a racist" discussion. And the reactions from certain quarters here has been as telling as it has been moronic.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
68. Not surprising.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 01:21 AM
Jun 2015

Bernie is more known among "grassroots" liberals/progressive who tend to skew white while everyone knows Hillary. Him having a lot of white support isn't a bad thing and shouldn't be, it just means Bernie will have to campaign to minorities because most of them don't know him (hell I didn't even know who he was before he got into the race).

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
73. This bodes well for Hillary in Nov. 2016
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 02:43 AM
Jun 2015

as African-Americans, Asian-Americans and Latinos are the constituencies that delivered that last two presidential elections to a Democrat:

CS Monitor, November 7, 2012: Exit polls find that a key to Obama's victory was winning 93 percent of African-Americans, 71 percent of Hispanics, and 73 percent of Asians. Mitt Romney took most of the white vote, which is 72 percent of the electorate. But it wasn't enough.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2012/1107/Election-results-2012-Who-won-it-for-Obama-video


KPPC, November 8th, 2012: Exit polls are showing that overwhelming majorities of Latino and Asian American voters - more than 70 percent of each group - voted to re-elect President Barack Obama on Tuesday. Together with black voters, who reportedly supported Obama in even higher proportions, these voters of color are credited with carrying key states for Obama and ultimately assuring his victory over Republican challenger Mitt Romney.

http://www.scpr.org/blogs/multiamerican/2012/11/08/10969/did-voter-color-deliver-obamas-victory-maybe-so/


HuffPost, November 9, 2012: The black and Latino vote (as well as that of Asians, single women, gays and young voters) were crucial factors in President Obama's reelection. Not only was there a historic turnout of Latino voters and a larger share of African American voters this year, but an overwhelming majority of them voted "blue."

Exit polls show that Obama won the Hispanic vote by a dramatic margin of 71 percent to 27 percent, and the black vote by 93 percent. (Incidentally, Obama also won the Asian vote by 73 percent to 26 percent.) Romney, on the other hand, clinched 59 percent of the white vote.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/black-latino-vote-pernicious-narrative-conservative-pundits_n_2101550.html
 

BluegrassDem

(1,693 posts)
80. This is why Bernie has no prayer of winning the primaries
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 03:46 AM
Jun 2015

He cannot win the nomination without the support of black and Latinos. Young hippie white liberals isn't enough to do it for him. Obama was able to win cause he was able to gather a coalition of blacks and white liberals.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
81. Amazing that it is implied from a Poll....
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 04:16 AM
Jun 2015

With a margin of error as wide statistically as the Pacific Ocean, Bernie has little if any support from our fellow African-Americans Brothers and Sisters. Funny!

This is were Educating Our Folks on Why Bernie is the Candidate whose pulse is at the core issue of many African-Americans plight --- INCOME INEQUALITY -- will be a job folks like us will PROUDLY take on the next 18 or so months ahead.

Don't be fooled by this poll. Folks outside of the Bubble --including the MSNBC Bubble -- know the Real Fight is about Survival and One Cannot Survive if the Top 10% continues its quest to make those of a certain income and ethnic background, modern day indenture servants.

Here a Clue: Don't Believe the Hype of this "Poll". It's a sequel many in the African-American community will not fall for -- Again!

Independent Underground News & Talk

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
82. Here's the problem: Bernie has made opposition to the TPP the centerpiece of his campaign.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 04:27 AM
Jun 2015

Those were his words and I'll find the quotation if anyone doubts it. President Obama has staked a lot of his hopes for a long-lasting economic recovery including job growth on US participation in this treaty. By continually trashing the TPP and its supposedly unconstitutional secrecy etc Bernie is essentially trashing Barack Obama and his promises. Essentially and palpably.

Who do you think POC are going to believe? I can tell you who I believe and it isn't Senator Sanders. In other words Bernie has damaged his own credibility with the voters he needs most to win.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
90. No, but TPP is
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 05:08 AM
Jun 2015

Because it gives corporations power over us, which is what fascism is. Corporate rule.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
91. You can't have it both ways. Except of course on the internet
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 05:10 AM
Jun 2015

where you don't have to make any sense.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
87. WHAT?
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 05:00 AM
Jun 2015

So, by explaning international trade to the 150% Power, the income inequality of the African-American community will be fixed -- like Puff the Magic Dragon -- in a instant. WHAT?

Umm....no! We saw in its other form NAFTA. It took jobs away from our Communities - The Automobile Industry and thousands of small Mom and Pop African-American businesses in Urban cities across the USA depending on the income of those who formerly worked in the Automobile Industry.

One of the Primary Reasons of INCOME INEQUALITY in the African-American community is the expansion of international trade - 1.0 - called NAFTA.

So the TPP will do what again?

Thanks but we brought the Raggedy Ann T-Shirt and Kool-Aid Stand once and prefer not to do so yet again. President Obama is WRONG as two left shoes on the TPP and Bernie is 200% correct.

Which is why as Bernie keep talking about issues like the TPP and Many Others that has led to INCOME INEQUALITY in OUR COMMUNITIES -- African-Americans will listen more and more. That is a fact you can bank on!

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
92. The fact is that whether it passes or not Sanders has made himself an Obama opponent.
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 05:22 AM
Jun 2015

And he's not going to win national office as a Democrat or anything else unless he changes his tune, and I don't expect him to. And for that reason he can't win the presidency. JMHO, YMMV.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
103. Here are three more polls from the same time period that suggest the same exact phenomenon
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 08:56 AM
Jun 2015
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2015/06/03/0603152016nsaweb/


PG 21

HRC's at 62% in this poll , Biden is at 21% and Sanders is at 5% among non whites*in this poll:



http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/06/01/2016.poll.pdf


PG 32


HRC's at 72% in this poll, Biden is at 16% in this poll , Sanders is at 6% among non whites*in this poll:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2015/06/02/National-Politics/Polling/question_15724.xml?uuid=idkbrgkVEeWVHo4VCQ1krg



According to the Law of Large Numbers our sample became much more robust and much more significant.


Since announcing her candidacy Secretary Of State Clinton has given three major policy addresses; one on immigration, one on criminal justice reform, and one on voting rights. These issues enjoy much more TOMA-Top Of The Mind Awareness among people of color than the class struggle. Given this and Hillary's advocacy of issues of importance to people of color she will garner around or over 80% of the vote among people of color in the primaries.

I look forward to my proposition being tested in the primaries and vindicated.

*some polls collapse all non whites into one statistical category.




 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
83. She was ruthlessly pummelled by Obama supporters in 08
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 04:28 AM
Jun 2015

Randy Rhodes self immolated over her. Stephanie Miller rendered herself unlistenable over her. On Yahoo Chat, Republicans and Obama supporters joined together in an all out anti-Hillary feeding frenzy, rendering the chat rooms unusable. Democratic Boards like this became anti-Hillary mosh pits.

And now we have this. Life is fickle sometimes.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
88. there are people outside of chat rooms and media personalities
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 05:06 AM
Jun 2015

even in 2008 Hillary was liked by most in the black community including those who voted for obama.

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
111. Does anyone have a good source for 2008 Dem primary candidates and demographics?
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 09:24 AM
Jun 2015

My memory is dim, but I recall that African-Americans were leaning toward HRC early in the primary race, but then shifted overwhelmingly to Obama after they learned more about him.

Or my memory could be wrong, but that why's I'm asking for a good resource.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
119. Your analysis is correct...
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:27 AM
Jun 2015

Here's an article with some of the data you requested:


http://www.salon.com/2015/05/29/hillary_clintons_latest_hard_choice_how_will_she_solve_her_bernie_sanders_problem/


Once Barack Obama demonstrated he was a viable candidate by winning the homogeneous Iowa caucus African American voters fled Hillary in droves. If she could have at least mitigated her losses among African Americans she probably wins the nomination. I would add that HRC received nearly seventy percent of 2008 Latino Democratic primary votes.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
144. The majority of Jews in the US are white
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 04:20 PM
Jun 2015

It's not based on religion.

Most would fall under the category of white Democrats.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
140. This article is very positive about Sanders
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 04:08 PM
Jun 2015

It shows his numbers surging among a huge segment of Democratic voters. It's actually quite troubling news for the HRC camp.

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