Democrats fret over recent Hillary Clinton polling

[Cheese Sandwich]

Early-state Democrats are evenly divided over whether Hillary Clinton’s campaign should be worried about recent polls showing her highest unfavorability ratings in years.

Exactly 50 percent say there’s cause for concern while the other 50 percent saw no reason for alarm.

That’s the assessment of this week’s survey of the POLITICO Caucus — a bipartisan group of influential activists, operatives and elected officials in Iowa and New Hampshire.

“Twenty-plus Republicans beating her up, Elizabeth Warren talking about the working man issues that terrify her, a couple of candidates like Bernie [Sanders] and Martin [O’Malley] to fill in her policy blanks and a media that feels stiffed by her lack of access, so all we can focus on is emails and the notorious Clinton Foundation and newly acquired wealth that suggests, at a minimum, the appearance of impropriety,” one Granite State Democrat said, offering an explanation for her sinking favorability. “Frankly if Hillary could step back at look at herself she would rate herself unfavorably as well.”

That remark comes during a week in which two major national polls delivered troubling results, including a CNN/ORC poll released Tuesday that showed Clinton with her highest unfavorability ratings of the past 14 years. A separate poll released Tuesday by The Washington Post and ABC News found that Clinton’s favorability was just 45 percent — her lowest in that survey since April 2008, when she was in the middle of a nomination battle with Barack Obama.
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more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/hillary-clinton-2016-polling-concern-democrats-insiders-caucus-118667.html

[hrmjustin]

1. Politico always wants to tear Hillary and Democrats down.

[Cheese Sandwich]

14. Seemed like an ok source since I've seen their articles posted here before.

Recently even /shrug

[840high]

36. Politico is ok.

[Tarheel_Dem]

2. !!!

[Cali_Democrat]

3. "That’s the assessment of this week’s survey of the POLITICO Caucus"

[FSogol]

15. LOL

[DURHAM D]

4. LOL Names of those "bipartisan influential activists" please.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. If it wasn't for that pesky 22nd Amendment Bill could run./NT

[hifiguy]

16. Gads no. The country is still reeling from NAFTA,

the Telecom Act and bank deregulation.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

28. Seriously, last thing we need.

[Maedhros]

6. I think early polls are very misleading.

Hillary's early numbers were very high, owing to the fact that she was being compared to hypothetical challengers.

Once actual challengers started entering the field, her numbers began to come back to Earth. I would be surprised if this is generating consternation amongst her handlers - surely they must have expected this.

[hifiguy]

18. That's always the case for any early candidate with high name-recognition

in either party. Real challengers are a horse of a different color than hypothetical ones.

And those negatives and not going to go down. There are big drawbacks to having been so prominent for 20+ years. People know who you are by that time.

[okasha]

7. Right wing rag.

Irrelevant.

Compare her excellent numbers among Democrats, the people who will actually determine both the primaries and the general.

But thank you for your concern.

[wyldwolf]

25. I believe the results from "this week’s survey of the POLITICO Caucus."

[truedelphi]

8. She couldn't win the Democratic Party primary in 2008,and the

Only way she will win in 2016 is if people remain apathetic.

Should it become apparent that Bernie Sanders has a real chance, she will get her butt kicked once again.

Forty percent of the electorate wants to vote for someone offering a real choice. They are sick and tired of the One Big Money Party, of which Ms Clinton is so clearly a member.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. She is popular among Democrats

She is popular among Democrats and hugely popular among Latino, African American, and glbtq Democrats without whom no Democrat can win the nomination.

[Maedhros]

20. That's how I know the Democratic Party is not for me.

That's not meant as snark, or a personal attack on Hillary.

On the whole, Hillary's policies are (to me) compatible with and integral to the continued corporate dominance of our economic and political culture. That so many rank-and-file Democrats are enthusiastic about such a candidate means that the Party has moved to a place on the political spectrum where I am no longer comfortable in it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. Has the Democratic party ever been antagonistic toward capitalism?

Even FDR wanted to reform not replace it.

[BillZBubb]

31. But he did energetically reform it to the advantage of working people.

Will Hillary actually work for meaningful reform? I have my doubts.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. That's a fair question...

I just believe it's historically inaccurate to argue that the Democratic party has ever been inimical to capitalism. They wanted to harness and temper it so it would serve the needs of as many people as possible and where it failed is where government intervenes.

We should be able to use some of the immense wealth capitalism creates to meet the needs of all our citizens.


HRC favor raising the minimum wage, protecting and perfecting the ACA, paid leave... These might seem like small bore initiatives but they make a big difference in the lives of ordinary folks.

[Maedhros]

32. Well, it hasn't been so antagonistic toward the working class as it has become.

cf. TPP

[dreamnightwind]

37. I know it sucks but

I still think it's better to work to take it back rather than leave it to the corporatists. YMMV.

I don't put a lot of stock in the polls showing she has such a high approval rating among Democrats, or that Obama does. They have been carefully presented with limited choices, and limited information, and they will of course choose our corporatists over the Republican corporatists.

I think that is shallow support, it can be overcome by good determined candidates willing to tell the real story about what is going on. Whether Benie can pull it off or not remains to be seen, but his candidacy helps that cause just by existing ad telling the truths that people so rarely get to hear. It may be that Bernie prepares the ground for someone else to eventually break through.

But yeah I get your sentiment, shaking my head just like you.

[truedelphi]

44. Obama won because he drew in the disgusted end of the Republican party.

Until his win, no other Democratic candidate since bill Clinton had gotten more than 38% of the white guy vote.

But the economics of McCain drove those RW voters to Obama, as he was an unknown and the last month of his candidacy, he ran utilizing Kucinich's populist message.

Newly arrived Latinos favor Ms Clinton - but they cannot vote.

Older, more established Latinos are just as aware and just as disgusted by the One Big Money aspects of Hillary Clinton as the rest of us i n the 40%..

[PSPS]

9. Politico = the tail trying to wag the dog.

The corporate/state media's ability to portray our Potemkin democracy as legitimate has been waning. I wonder if they can still pull it off in '16.

[2banon]

38. I wish that's what I could see/hear from my vantage point. I'm not hearing it though

NPR sounds down right giddy to be engaged in discussing and "reporting" the horse race as it were. As if it were more than simply legitimate, and it's almost as if they'd rather not be talking about anything else.

[Takket]

11. oh please

its June 2015

worrying about Hillary's polling right now is like throwing in the towel on your baseball team when they lose opening day. only 161 more games to go!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

29. lol, we were constantly told how Hillary was ao dominating these same polls, she could phone it in. Now polls don't matter. Who knew?

[Juicy_Bellows]

12. Interesting quote:

“Frankly if Hillary could step back at look at herself she would rate herself unfavorably as well.”

Did he/she really say it like that or did they say and instead of at? The Politico link has the same verbiage so either bad editing or the person can't speak. Either way, I doubt she'd rate herself unfavorable. That would be silly.

[Buns_of_Fire]

13. Some slippage is to be expected, now that there's more than one candidate.

If the local burger joint has been offering twoallbeefpattiesspecialsaucelettucecheesepicklesonionsonasesameseedbun for the last couple of years, and now they've added a juicy, toothsome Flame-Broiled Whopper to the menu, it stands to reason that some will prefer the Whopper (with cheese). And to make it more interesting, now there's a Thickburger and a Crunchwrap on the menu.

Any of the four are preferable to what they're serving at Boehner's House of Sauteed Fertilizer.

[PowerToThePeople]

17. one more unfavorable vote right here.

eom

[hifiguy]

19. +1 nt

[MineralMan]

21. More political RW agitprop.

It's bullshit is what it is.

[Cheese Sandwich]

22. how so?

[wyldwolf]

23. "Despite polls, many early-state insiders say there’s enthusiasm for Hillary’s presidential bid"

Second headline of the piece.

Interesting question: Should Hillary's campaign be worried about? Evenly divided sentiments from "this week’s survey of the POLITICO Caucus."

[Evergreen Emerald]

24. Her numbers were expected to go down

When she was Secretary of State, she was not in politics and was well liked. We knew that her numbers would go down once the race started.

[DCBob]

27. LOL! Fretting with a 50 point lead!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

33. Yeah. She's leading Paul by a whopping 1% and Rubio and Walker by 3%!!

[DCBob]

35. I was talking about her lead for the Dem nomination.

Her lead against the GOP "nominee" is good also and will no doubt go up once a specific goper clown is selected and the Clinton attack machine kicks into gear.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. We don't have nat'l polling but we have polling from the Tar Heel state

We don't have nat'l polling but we have polling from the Tar Heel state, a crucial swing state, and HRC ie either tied with or leading the entire clown car and Sanders is losing by double digits.


In the Keystone State it's the same story but Bernie is losing but not just as bad as he is in the Tar Heel state. Oh, HRC is leading all the Repugs there.

[Thinkingabout]

30. After her opening rally speech and if it goes as well as her voter speech we will be on our way.

[2banon]

40. why bother? It's just a dog and pony show, she's in the bag so why bother?

[Thinkingabout]

42. The primaries has not started and the ge is in November 2016.

[2banon]

43. Well, that's what some of us keep trying to remind everyone else here..

but apparently the evidence is in that HRC IS THE WINNING NOMINEE, and therefore the winner of the GE 2016. cuz the polls say so. and DU rolled out their big endorsement long before any other potential candidate had a chance to enter the "race". .. so golly gee.. it's a done deal seems to me.

[Wounded Bear]

41. Oh, bullshit...

When she was the only presumed candidate, naturally she had 90% support. Now she's splitting support with 3 other candidate.

This is RW rabble-rousing to energize their base and take away the hopeless reality that they are going to be stuck with another unelectable candidate.

For God's sake can we stop giving credence to these RW push polls 18 months out from election? smh

[L0oniX]

45. Oh dear ...another one under the bus.