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Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:36 PM

 

So now we finally know where Hillary "Listen-to-Pelosi" Clinton stands on TPP

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Reply So now we finally know where Hillary "Listen-to-Pelosi" Clinton stands on TPP (Original post)
99th_Monkey Jun 2015 OP
Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #1
For Freddie Jun 2015 #33
questionseverything Jun 2015 #38
pa28 Jun 2015 #2
99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #4
billhicks76 Jun 2015 #15
Octafish Jun 2015 #3
NCTraveler Jun 2015 #5
sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #6
donnasgirl Jun 2015 #7
sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #10
donnasgirl Jun 2015 #14
sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #21
donnasgirl Jun 2015 #23
demwing Jun 2015 #19
donnasgirl Jun 2015 #20
demwing Jun 2015 #30
99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #13
billhicks76 Jun 2015 #16
TBF Jun 2015 #22
olegramps Jun 2015 #29
billhicks76 Jun 2015 #39
LiberalArkie Jun 2015 #26
WillyT Jun 2015 #8
DrBulldog Jun 2015 #9
MineralMan Jun 2015 #11
Fearless Jun 2015 #12
Rex Jun 2015 #17
onecaliberal Jun 2015 #18
blackspade Jun 2015 #24
C Moon Jun 2015 #25
passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #27
99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #31
glinda Jun 2015 #36
jeff47 Jun 2015 #37
Buns_of_Fire Jun 2015 #40
passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #28
99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #32
Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #34
Romeo.lima333 Jun 2015 #35

Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:39 PM

1. like there was any other outcome?

 

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Response to Romeo.lima333 (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 05:14 PM

33. Split Party

So, there WAS no other outcome.NEWS FLASH: Global money power rules. Real world. No "elected" official can buck them and survive to do further positive work. It is all a trade off. Always has been. To suggest progressives should "leave the party" is just what the Right Wings wants (again)... It is always a trade off. It is like that piece of pie on the floor Homer Simpson wants to eat. We all knew this was coming. Don't bite. Chill. We do not live in a representative democrazy. We live in a Global Economy.

We had no power to change this. Accept the Things we Cannot Change. And continue on to change things we CAN. Taking our ball and going home to self destruct does nothing positive for anyone.
Tantrums do not work. They self destruct us and steal what little power we have. Which is just what they are intended to do.
I am not biting.

I do not argue. Or bicker or bitch. Or get caught in the little fights we have here that are scripts from "reality" Tv. I DO NOT "debate". I have grand kids of color on the streets. That comes first. I will not be distracted in any way.

So... here we are.
One thing age gives us is staying power.
And cold acceptance of What Is. UNITY works. Fighting and bickering does not. WE are facing down the biggest human economic power in the world. All that they want is not healthy for us. Yes I see that. But that will not stop me from my focus which has the ability to change it all. I "KEEP MY EYES ON THE PRIZE".

I am not naive.
I am street smart. We are fighting an Organized Crime Model here.
So splitting our Unity plays into their hands. Have none of you studied Organized Crime History?

There are two kinds of being pissed off.
One is ego based from feeling "powerless". Enraged by it. That is a trap. That is frustration born of fear and an urgency to "do something" even if it is self destructive. It alienates us from our focus. It destroys our UNITY. It pisses our power and energy away.

The other kind is accepting what we can't change and keep going.
I will vote for who ever is nominated by the Party. It is our only real world shot to push things forward for our kids and grand kids.
It isn't perfect. It isn't all we want. I accept that. It isn't about ME.

Change is made ever so slowly. It is made by iron determination to not be distracted, to not breaking apart, to keep going.
Even murder, lynchings, all manner of corruption can not stop this.
The only thing that stops it is hissy fits because it is not exactly what our rage, ego and fears want. I can't afford that anymore.
For me it is truly Life and Death for the kids on the street.

This endures through generations. We are in this for the long haul.
So at 70 I do not piss away my energy and strength on arguing.
Or self destructing. I do not do "floor pie".
I LOVE Bernie. He is saying everything we want to hear. Everything we hope for.

I do not believe he will be allowed to be elected. I do not believe we have a representative democracy. I do not believe elections are clean or work. I believe they are shows, they are a dance done to keep the traditional beliefs in place. To keep business going globally. To keep domestic populations feeling they have a sense of "control".

I believe Civil Rights/Human Rights are needed by this global economy and those who resist this will be and are being crushed.
The old anachronistic ways of the past that get in the way of business ARE being slowly phased out. I do not feel this way of running a planet is healthy or good. But first things first.

The truth is we don't have much control. And getting us to self destruct and de-power ourselves is a functional tool. Like, arguing and debating I don't do that. I just keep going quietly and in a focused way. Like Gandhi. But with a irreverent sense of humor.
I will vote for who ever the Party nominates.

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Response to For Freddie (Reply #33)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 12:06 AM

38. you have identified the main problem

when you said...

I do not believe he will be allowed to be elected. I do not believe we have a representative democracy. I do not believe elections are clean or work. I believe they are shows, they are a dance done to keep the traditional beliefs in place. To keep business going globally. To keep domestic populations feeling they have a sense of "control".

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:18 PM

2. Not a cave. That was the result Pelosi wanted all along.

White Houseís secret weapon on trade: Nancy Pelosi

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/white-houses-secret-weapon-on-trade-nancy-pelosi-118565.html#ixzz3e0Lg4Mi5

She has a long history of putting on a show for the public while working against their interest in private. I'm sure Hillary Clinton was acutely aware that Pelosi's maneuvering on TPP last week was just politics.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 03:08 PM

15. She Does What She's Told

 

Just like Obama and Hillary. NSA probably has personal dirt on them all ready for release if they step out of line. This solidifies my vote for Bernie. Bush Sr is very proud of Obama and Hillary. The leaders of our party SUCK!

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:22 PM

3. They didn't take impeachment off the table for nothing.

Not just as "in there was a reason," but "for the money."

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:27 PM

6. Once I heard Hlllary tell us when asked where she stood on the TPP to 'watch Nancy' it was clear

that the same old game was being played.

At least they don't disappoint anymore.

It would have been a shock if this had not happened.

Sadly people who predicted this after she played the 'I'm with you, really I am' game.

So she joined the Republicans, AGAIN. Against the people.

Why don't they just come right out and say it, at least the Repubs are honest about their anti-people policies, and let's stop the games.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:40 PM

7. Sabrina

I agree with all you posted except for the last part, Repubs and honesty just doesn't fit. In my opinion there is only one honest Politician out here as far as i and my family are concerned.

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Response to donnasgirl (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:55 PM

10. I stand corrected. It was the wrong choice of words to use when referring to Republicans.

would the word 'brazen' be better. 'At least the Repubs brazenly tell us to our faces where they stand'.

And I agree, there is only one honest candidate in this race. I just learned that he has been endorsed by the VT Teachers Union.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 03:05 PM

14. Brazen is good

But i feel thief and liar would be a better fit.

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Response to donnasgirl (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 03:26 PM

21. Lol, how about 'brazen liars and thieves'

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 03:42 PM

23. Excellent

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Response to donnasgirl (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 03:22 PM

19. Uh Oh,

 

Elizabeth supporters and Bernie supporters are often the same group. You're bound to poke someone's eye...

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Response to demwing (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 03:26 PM

20. OK what did i say

LOL

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Response to donnasgirl (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:55 PM

30. "there is only one honest Politician out here"

 

Elizabeth or Bernie?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 03:02 PM

13. Yes, many of us saw this coming Sabrina1

 

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 03:10 PM

16. Two Wings Of The Same Bird

 

Progressives need to split from the Democratic Party.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 03:29 PM

22. ...

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:49 PM

29. That will guarantee a Republican victory.

Hope you enjoy having the Supreme Court dominated by as many as six right wing bastards. They will make mincemeat out of every progressive issue and hand the county over to the plutocrats. With the Republicans dominating congress it will be goodbye to the ACA, Social Security and Medicare just for starters. The working class will be relegated to nothing more virtual servitude. I sure as hell glad that I am as old as I am, but I sure worry about my grandchildren's future. They will make the TPP look like a workers paradise in what they will have in store for them.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #29)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 07:26 AM

39. I Agree About The Court

 

But if you really cared you would support revolution.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:04 PM

26. They both learned from William Fulbright. I think they even lived in one of his houses

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:54 PM

8. K & R !!!

 


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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 02:54 PM

9. It's now official, isn't it? In Hillary's own words . . .

 

Paraphrased: "I don't give a effing damn about our middle class!"

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 03:02 PM

12. Corporate shill

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 03:10 PM

17. Wall Street and the Third Way were going to get what they wanted, with the help of the GOP.

 

Sad to see 13 Dems go along with the GOP in passing this monstrocity. And OF COURSE you don't hear the TPP criers talking about how they agree with REPUBLICANS...nope, that would fuck up their narrative.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 03:21 PM

18. They were always going to vote for it. More Kabuki Theater.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 03:45 PM

24. What a disappointment.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 03:57 PM

25. Yeah, and I got a newsletter/message from her office today (a sleight of hand message):

"Dear Friend,

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:42 PM

27. Why can't we have a trade agreement

that incentivizes or even requires companies to make things in America for America, and only make things for other countries to be sold in those countries? So it builds all countries without pitting wage and price wars against each other? It seems to me that should be a requirement of a trade agreement for the wealthier countries. The poor countries should still be able to sell us goods made there, as long as it's not an American corporation taking the profits.

Even our wheat, corn and other agricultural goods that we trade, are heavily subsidized by the government so the game is rigged against small farmers. And we ship our ag to China so they can process it and ship it back to us? WTF? Why not let those lost profits go to the farmers here, and provide jobs here to process it? I'm still afraid to buy anything edible for humans or pets/livestock, made in China...and how do we know if goods made in America are made with ag processed in China? Unless and until we can control quality and worker's rights in poorer countries, we will continue to get cheaper and cheaper crap that is designed to fail...a throw away society does not benefit us. I am so sick of buying crap made overseas. I want the good American products back that we used to make.

Is it all wall streets fault? If so, how do we change this?

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:57 PM

31. We could START by having so-called "trade" laws NOT written by 600 corporate lobbyists & lawyers

 

and by NOT having them top secret classified "for security reasons".

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #31)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 06:04 PM

36. Maybe the secret is that they have a spaceship to bolt the Planet and don't want the 99% to know.

There is such absurdity in our Government right now. Liars. Thieves and blatant domination on both sides. I don't remember ever being so fed up and angry and sick of Third Wayers Blue Dogs, etc.....

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Response to glinda (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 06:23 PM

37. You're assuming they are thinking past the next two quarters.

And thus have an "escape plan". I don't think that's a valid assumption.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #31)

Thu Jun 25, 2015, 07:56 AM

40. They've discovered that by casually mentioning "national security" as one of the reasons

for actions that would otherwise be totally unacceptable, a lot of crap goes unquestioned. It's Washington's "Open Sesame" for the 21st century, and it sure works wonders for opening the vault doors! (And covering other inconvenient truths that Must Never Be Mentioned.)

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:43 PM

28. so this will pass again

Next, the Senate will immediately move to pass TAA for workers, which is now attached to an African trade preferences bill, after which it will be sent back to the House. And with Pelosi's support, TAA should have the votes for passage.


But will it still be paid for with sequester cuts to Medicare?

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 05:02 PM

32. TAA is a pathetic miserable crumb being thrown to bait a few turn-coat DINOs

 

to betray the best interests of American workers, unemployed, poor and elderly.

They just haven't decided yet which of ^these^ to screw to pay for it.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 05:21 PM

34. it might as well be a form letter "DEMS CAVE ON (FILL IN THE BLANK)."

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 05:22 PM

35. kingdoms for the kings, orts for the serfs

 

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