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Neil deGrasse Tyson: The last Leap Second added was June 30, 2012.... (Original Post) Playinghardball Jul 2015 OP
What did you do with your extra second? I saw a video of an upside down sloth making a weird sound. Electric Monk Jul 2015 #1
they have to keep adding these leap seconds because of global slowing nt HFRN Jul 2015 #2
I so wasted that second... dhill926 Jul 2015 #3
So it wasn't accurate to within 0.2 seconds. Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #4
How so? Thor_MN Jul 2015 #5
If they needed to add a full second Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #6
If the screen shots are real, they are showing the addtion of a second Thor_MN Jul 2015 #7
I understand that Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #8
it was 0.2 seconds from official time... ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2015 #9
then 2 seconds before that it was off Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #10
nevermind... you don't get it... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2015 #11
one of us doesn't Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #12
That one of us would be you. Thor_MN Jul 2015 #13
Yep.. not a serious post. As I said. Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #16
Problem is you don't seem to understand which clock you are talking about Thor_MN Jul 2015 #17
The point is that we haven't used the earth's rotation for several decades, since it's inconsistent muriel_volestrangler Jul 2015 #14
Wow AngryAmish Jul 2015 #15
 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
6. If they needed to add a full second
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 09:09 PM
Jul 2015

then it couldn't be accurate within 1/5th of that amount of time.

It was either off by ~0.8 or it is now off by ~0.8 seconds.



Except of course that the time is whatever the people in charge of keeping time say it is. My post was a bit of a joke. I suppose if you are using the earth's rotation as the basis, then it must have been off by ~0.8 seconds.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
7. If the screen shots are real, they are showing the addtion of a second
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 10:17 PM
Jul 2015

normally the clock goes from 59 seconds to 0 seconds of the next minute. In other words, seconds are zero ordered, the first second is :00, the sixtieth is :59. They show the clock going from :59 to :60 to :00. The :60 is the sixty-first second in that minute.

How is that not accurate to within 0.2 seconds? Of course, it could have been recorded at any time and not been accurate at all, but if the screen shots are real, there's absolutely nothing in them to suggest they are not accurate to 0.2 seconds.

Are you maybe mistaking the 19:59:59 as 19 minutes 59 seconds and 59 hundredths, instead of 19 hours (7 PM) 59 minutes and 59 seconds?

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
8. I understand that
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:21 AM
Jul 2015

I am saying that if you add a full second then at some point it could not possibly be accurate to within 0.2 seconds.

If it needed a full second to be accurate again, then it must have been off by 0.8 seconds.

Simple math. Nothing more.

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
9. it was 0.2 seconds from official time...
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:25 AM
Jul 2015

the official time clocked from :59 to :60 to :00... so yes, it was consistently accurate. if there had been no :60 then your argument would hold water, but because there WAS a :60 the clock was accurate to within 0.2 seconds of that time.

sP

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
12. one of us doesn't
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 06:34 AM
Jul 2015

The entire concept of how we keep time is arbitrary.

My point is that if it needed an entire second added to be made accurate then it must have been off by a second.

I know that if you adhere simply to the arbitrary method by which we keep time, then it was accurate. But if you grasp that the way we keep time is to keep track of the motion of our planet, then it was off. Yes, even though it is our planet which slowed slightly and therefore required the addition of the leap second.

My post was "tongue in cheek". If you are completely literal about it then you missed my point.




 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
16. Yep.. not a serious post. As I said.
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 12:41 PM
Jul 2015

Which is why the clock must have been off since the two were not in agreement.


 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
17. Problem is you don't seem to understand which clock you are talking about
Sun Jul 5, 2015, 09:17 PM
Jul 2015

at any given point in time. The clocks in the screen captures (assuming that they were not faked) were always within 0.2 seconds of official time. The leap second was to bring official time back in sync with astronomical time which is a different clock.

If you were trying to be humorous, you weren't.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
14. The point is that we haven't used the earth's rotation for several decades, since it's inconsistent
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 08:45 AM
Jul 2015

It varies more than atomic clocks do, and seconds have been defined, again for several decades, based on atomic phenomena rather than astronomical observation. The current system is to allow these minutes of '60 seconds past, and then 0', when they are needed to move the global time so that it gives the astronomical time at Greenwich, for, say, midnight, to the correct nearest second.

There is a proposal to give up these leap seconds, in which case astronomical time would gradually drift from the official time - meaning sunrise and sunset would gradually drift away from the times each location currently has for them.

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