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cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
Sat May 19, 2012, 02:02 AM May 2012

The European Union may survive 2012, but the Euro won't.

Greece, France, Spain and a handful of others will go back to sovereign currencies and hyperinflation ending in default to commitments to the Euro. They'll walk away from their promises in the same fashion as American homeowners are walking away from the promises they made to the banks who put them into their homes.

While the "United States of Europe" was a grand idea, it's not going to survive. Sorry Francois... You'll never be seen as the European George Washington.

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The European Union may survive 2012, but the Euro won't. (Original Post) cherokeeprogressive May 2012 OP
I was in Denmark, on business, back when they were djean111 May 2012 #1
One particular load of malarky in your OP MattBaggins May 2012 #2
The resurgence of nationalism (pushed by the right, of course) has never been good for Europe. pampango May 2012 #3
LOL JonLP24 May 2012 #4
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. I was in Denmark, on business, back when they were
Sat May 19, 2012, 05:24 AM
May 2012

voting on whether to join the EU, or something connected with that.
Every Dane I talked with said they would not join the EU if it meant using the euro, because
they did not want their currency to be controlled by Germany.
To this day, Denmark does not use the euro.

As for walking away from promises, why is it a sound business decision when a corporation does that, a sad but of course "necessary" thing if a government does that, but a horrible thing if a homeowner does that?

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
2. One particular load of malarky in your OP
Sat May 19, 2012, 06:37 AM
May 2012
American homeowners are walking away from the promises they made to the banks who put them into their homes


Scratch that... reverse it.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
3. The resurgence of nationalism (pushed by the right, of course) has never been good for Europe.
Sat May 19, 2012, 06:50 AM
May 2012

Nationalism, particularly during hard economic times like the Great Depression, has led to many wars on the continent over the centuries most recently in the 1930's.

It's easy to think "Europeans are too smart now to let nationalism lead them into war". That was true for the post-WWII generation that had seen first hand what nationalism can lead to. They went about creating the EU which has led to decades of peace, prosperity and progressive governments on an open continent.

We're a couple of generations removed from WWII now and I'm not sure that some of the lessons taught by European history won't have to be relearned the hard way by a new generation. Those on the right (like France's National Front) want to pull out of the EU and put strict controls on trade and freedom of movement between European countries.

It should not be surprising that the nationalism push is coming from the right. It has happened before.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
4. LOL
Sat May 19, 2012, 07:14 AM
May 2012

@ promises to banks. The same banks that committed mortgage fraud, predatory lending to the sub-prime market, and adjustable-rate mortgages.

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