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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsStating the Obvious: If Newt is the (R) Nominee, Obama Will Win in a Landslide
If that is the match-up, it will most likely boil down to a likability and trust referendum on Obama's first 4 years. Newt, of course is the perfect foil for that and reminds people exactly what the problem is (Congress).
If you disagree, please explain...
Fearless
(18,421 posts)JCMach1
(27,556 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)JCMach1
(27,556 posts)A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)& frightening.
JCMach1
(27,556 posts)to sink the SS Newt...
They know what his nomination would mean.
RZM
(8,556 posts)I think Newt would some states McCain didn't, i.e. N. Carolina and Virginia. But that's less about Newt, and more about the fact that 2012 Obama has had to govern and isn't a blank slate. But Newt probably can't take enough states to get him across the finish line, so barring a scandal/game changing event, I'd say Obama wins in something between a nail-biter and a comfortable win (Obama will win New Mexico, Nevada, and Ohio, with Colorado a toss-up).
BTW I still think Romney will be the nominee. His electoral map probably isn't much different from Newt's though.
JCMach1
(27,556 posts)don't like that scenario...
RZM
(8,556 posts)The number crunchers on both sides are way better than me on this. You may be right, which might explain things if Rubio is the VP candidate. If the R gets the 'southern steals' (yes I just made that up) plus Florida, can Obama win with Ohio and New Mexico? Would Colorado be the decider there? it's 3.24 here in Ohio and I don't want to look this up, though I probably will tomorrow
Behind the Aegis
(53,956 posts)The Republicans have a way of lining up very quickly behind their candidate. I also think we run a risk of losing if we get complacent and think because it is someone we think is a nutjob, that others (no party and centrists) will think the same. We are seeing a very mobile effort by the religious right, and Newt could very well lead them in an uprising, he's done it before. Remember, many of his supports aren't horrified when he doesn't follow the rules he (or they) preach!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)because they're just not seeming nutty enough, i.e. Romney and Huntsman.
That said, we shouldn't get complacent. The problem, as I see it is, is a lack of enthusiasm on OUR side, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why. Obama needs to stop whizzing on his base and start inspiring us, and the country. These dumbfuck moves around things like Plan B contraception and kicking down doors at medical marijuana co-ops to drag cancer grannies off to prison for getting high.... they're NOT convincing conservatives that he's "moderate" and so they should vote for him; they're only alienating (further) the base. Frankly, while "we're not the other, clearly insane party" is a solid electoral argument, it's not ENOUGH. I expect leadership, and while I support the President, I think he has delivered it in very limited quantities lately.
chrisa
(4,524 posts)But yeah, complacency isn't a good thing, especially with someone like Newt running.
I think he has way too many skeletons in his closet to be President.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Obama will HAVE to win by a landslide to win at all. If the polls aren't showing a clear win for Obama, the machines in a few critical states will hand the Presidency to the Rethug.
Remember Florida. Remember Ohio. We have to push as hard as we ever have, no matter who the nominee is.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Perhaps they'll put the fecal lube euphemism on the ticket, too. Good times.
Gman
(24,780 posts)Cain, even Perry or Santorrum. Any of them except Romney. Romney is dangerous and could win.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)That will piss a lot of folks off.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Been telling my repub friends, (yes, I have them) that if they want a fighting chance to stay away from da grinch.
ThomWV
(19,841 posts)Let me say just one thing, "Citizens United".
Now go ahead and tell me how unlimited money could not changed Newt's image, given nearly a year to accomplish it. Hell, he's already got at least 40% of the vote just for having an R next to his name on the ballot. The sheep will be led and money will lead them. Newt could win a lot easier than any of the other yahoos that want to be at the top of the ticket. Do not forget that he was in fact and in deed the Speaker of the House. He, far better than any of the other clowns, knows how the game is played and rigged. You would be smart to be wary of him, not dismissive.
By the way, you know what I see with every OWS gathering? I see folks who voted for Obama once who won't be doing it again. I might be wrong for a lot of them, but not all. At the moment I'm not sure Obama can be reelected no matter who runs against him.
Edited to corrected a typo - removed the letter "e" from the word "on" in the title changing it from "one" to "on".
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)There's no other explanation for their irrational exuberance over every single candidate except the one who has a real shot at defeating Obama.