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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsholy s*&%^ the chicago cops were beating the crap out of people - even don lemon just made the point
that they were "just wailing on people" and 'we do have a right to protest" in this country.
Drale
(7,932 posts)I'm watching a live feed on our local news and I can see protesters throwing stuff at the police, which is not right. If you throw something at a police officer that is a way to 100% guarantee that you will at least be arrested if not and and it would be justified.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)started beating the crap out of everyone in the fron row. disgusting.
Saturday
(3,744 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Saw it with my own eyes...
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Anything else contrary to directly observable phenomena that you would like to offer?
You are like my sister when we we pre-pubescent, she would punch me in the ribs and then say "I didn't hit you liar", then do it again and claim again it never happened.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)yodermon
(6,143 posts)Only difference is if she also managed to get you to agree with her, out loud, and convince the kid next to you how great it is to get punched
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)It's just I was too stubborn to play along, much like I am with right wingers to this day.
Oddly enough she grew out of that rather quickly, unlike the GOP that appear to be permanent 9 year old bullies.
If one can understand an entitled nasty little 9 year old brat, one will also have mastered understanding Republican psychology.
Or am I being too harsh?
(to the bratty 9 year old )
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)It disturbing how the police were "wailing on people."
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Cop hitting a protester:
Don't you dare alert on this because it's proof the poster is horribly incorrect.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)I wish someone could post the CNN coverage I saw live. I'm on my phone and don't know how. It was aweful and as lemon said the cops were "just wailing on the protestors "
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)She stood her ground against a line of cops five deep and everyone got the shit shoved out of them.
CNN said that? GOOD. UC Davis. Anthony Bologna. We win hearts and minds because cops and the 1% are so obviously in the wrong.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)I don't see a video from coverage on Lemon's show posted yet, just this report:
updated 9:06 PM EDT, Sun May 20, 2012
Chicago (CNN) -- Protesters and police clashed Sunday outside the NATO summit in Chicago, where world leaders met to discuss the way forward in Afghanistan.
Police hit protesters with batons as they pushed against a line of officers, video from CNN affiliate WLS showed. The clashes came toward the end of a day of peaceful protests.
Occupy Chicago, one of the groups that helped to organize the demonstrations, reported some people were injured.
"The police have several demonstrators detained behind their lines, calling for medics. Bloodied protesters being dragged out of sight now," the group wrote on its Twitter page.
...
Story and slide show:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/20/us/us-nato-summit/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)misleading headline. More like police batons clash with peaceful protestors' skulls.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)But the video can't capture everything that happened along that line. The protesters had sticks, too, and they were trying to break through a line that the police were instructed to hold.
I'm not saying that the protesters were at fault here, but with that many people and that much tension, it's inevitable that stuff like this will happen.
That being said, as I've stated, it looks like some of the police were not pushing back but were trying to injure some of the protesters. Not a good tactic. But also not evidence that the police are, as a group, out to brutalize innocent people.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)I could have sworn that I saw police beating protestors with my own eyes, but so long as I have your word on it.
kardonb
(777 posts)Cold it be the bucketeer was a plant to stir up trouble ? Wouldn't be the first time .
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)peaceful despite which the Cops have brutally beaten people consistently since last Fall, nearly killing several peaceful US Citizens and so far, with no consequences.
So one guy out of tens of thousands of people finally got angry enough to throw a bucket and YOU use that to excuse the brutality that has been so bad, the UN even got involved.
I could post footage all day of protests, and you would not see a single protester doing anything other than marching peacefully.
But if I did that, you would see incident after incident of US Citizens being brutalized by the police without me even trying.
Scott Olsen eg, can you excuse was done to him? Or Kayvan Sabeghi? Or the 80 something year old who was nearly killed by brutal cops and saved only by other protesters?
I am in awe of the protesters for remaining peaceful in the face of the outrageous brutality by they police directed at them since the beginning of this movement. That must be very difficult.
Almost all violence at these protests has been caused by the Cops. There is simply zero excuse for it.
Drale
(7,932 posts)That does not excuse the violence against the police. An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. I know its one in ten thousand but that one guy give the entire movement a bad name. If you see someone throwing stuff at the police, the group should stop him and hand him over because he's blatantly breaking the law and is trying to start violence.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)It is not a reciprocal beat down, the cops are using far more violence than throwing a cup that causes no physical injury, they are beating the shit out of people, also the ratio of violence (even using the "they threw an empty cup" as a violent act equal to bruising ribs, breaking bones and dislocating joints) is like 1:100, one bad protest act to 100 very violent police acts.
Does her post make more sense to you now that I clarified what I thought was the obvious point?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)And there is rarely any retaliation, very rarely because the protesters are instructed on how NOT to react to the brutality of the police. So to find this incident someone had to be searching for it. The police violence however, you can count on it, every single time.
randome
(34,845 posts)Not when they are all pressed tightly together in a march. And what if the perpetrator doesn't want to be handed over? And how are the police going to calmly wait until someone stops the perpetrator?
I understood your point.
Shit happens.
ancianita
(36,184 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Not unless someone is searching to do just that. Eg, I have followed this movement closely from the first day and I never say that incident. So someone obviously had to search to find a single incident, a totally minor incident, while ignoring ALL the major crimes committed by the police at every protest. It's a bit odd frankly, sort of like looking at a field of grass, acres and acres, and searching to find one blade out of millions that is shorter than the millions of others. Like a needle in a haystack, hard to find, unless you really are looking hard to find it.
And no, the group should NOT 'hand him over'. There is a word for people like that.
Funny how you have no comment about the fact that none of the criminal, brutal, murderous police officers have even been named after months of so-called 'investigations'. Now they should 'be turned over' considering they nearly killed peaceful US Citizens.
How come not one has been named, not one has been removed from duty after proving beyond a doubt that they are threat to the public?? Why is that? Who shot Scott Olsen, who fractured the spleen of Kayvan Sabhegi, respected businessman in his community, Iraq War Veteran, left to die without medical treatment for 18 hours after been brutally beaten by not one, but by several cowardly thugs wearing uniforms.
They deserve zero respect and by now several of them should have been fired for the safety of the public and some of them should be in jail. But you choose to focus on someone who threw a plastic bottle, NOT a deadly weapon, and not a word of anger for the cops.
Their brutality was noted even by the UN who attempted to intervene on behalf of the American people whose lives are placed in danger each time they go to a protest and exercise their 1st Amendment rights.
Did you say they were right? How could ANYONE say that, how could anyone in any way equate this minor incident, no highlight it, in light of the criminal behavior of the police who are the sole reason for any violence at these protests.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)I don't see that as justifying police brutality.
Puregonzo1188
(1,948 posts)in shields, helmets, etc. A empty bucket isn't going to hurt them (not that it's riot). Beating an unarmed civilian bloody with a a club is going to hurt them.
Throwing things is stupid and it only feeds into the cops's wishes, but it in no way justifies the state sponsored terrorism we are seeing.
I am going to reiterate for the last and final time--I enjoy support or condone throwing a bucket or anything at the police.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Crap...
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Like the cops are moving back and hopefully calmer heads will prevail.
Saturday
(3,744 posts)CNN is embellishing it. Sounds like they're trying to make a story to report on. I remember CNN sitting on the beach waiting for a war...they got one. CNN sucks.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Better vantage points than CNN, and with reporters in the mix (NBC Channel 5 especially good: right on the front lines between protesters and police), and from everything I can tell, the cops are doing a magnificent job of staying calm.
The vast vast majority of the protesters left at the end of the march. Those who are confronting the cops (a couple hundred at most) are clearly trying to provoke a big response: so far, they're not taking the bait. CNN must be hyping the story.
PS: It's supposed to thunderstorm here. I'm not sure what will happen then.
ancianita
(36,184 posts)that's what they're supposed to do.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)And he says, "There is a difference between full combat gear and riot gear."
TBF
(32,116 posts)I wouldn't be surprised if TPTB come down on him for this though.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)G_j
(40,372 posts)their right to brutality against citizens
marmar
(77,106 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Is it fascism yet? Hell ...I don't know what it is but I do know it's wrong.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)butterfly77
(17,609 posts)the protestors are breaking the law. Lemon also said that people in their homes shouldn't have to put up with protestors.
Whose streets?
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)people exercising their constitutional rights are such a nuisance. Homeowners really shouldn't have to put up with them.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)In showing the video of police pummeling protesters with their batons, Lemon also said that, "From our vantage it looks completely unprovoked," and he asked, "Does anybody deserve this?"
malaise
(269,237 posts)the rights of people in other countries when they are attacked during protests.
Do we still have rights in so called Western democracies?
We are Devo
(193 posts)Citizen journalists are on the front lines. Timcast is good.
kas125
(2,472 posts)We did see two big lines of squad cars and buses that have been converted to paddy wagons speeding down the street toward where the march ended, so I knew something bad was happening or about to.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Brings back old memories.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)This is what most cops do. Do you think enlightened souls become cops? Once in awhile, yes, but most of the time...no.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)You're screwing it up for Obama just like Daley screwed it up for Humphrey in '68.
There was no reason for you to EVER run as a Democrat. You've betrayed everything your activist mother ever stood for.
Just go away, Rahm. You can't ever do any good for anybody after this.
PufPuf23
(8,843 posts)and shaped Obama's first term and medical reform.
They are unwiped assholes.
I plan to vote for POTUS Obama because I have no other choice and if anyone has the power to check ty record, I have voted straight Democratic in final elections since of age in 1972.
I supported LBJ/Humphrey in 1964 and McCarthy, RFK, an ultimately LBJ in 1968 before I was of age but was active as a teen in politics and anti-war San Fransisco/Berkeley late 66-71.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)These are little more than gangs of thugs with badges. They should be locked behind bars with their brethren, the prison gangs.
The impending storm gathers strength with each new atrocity.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)PufPuf23
(8,843 posts)But if a cop was to be killed in current global (OWS, NATO, Syria, Etc) demonstrations, I would consider the death self-defense because of the context and illegal militarization of civil peace keepers.
Bake
(21,977 posts)You're no better than NIXON! Hell, you make Nixon look GOOD!
Bake