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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 07:15 AM Sep 2015

"I'm at a loss for words."

How dire is the situation? One National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) climate scientist looked at the data and remarked: "I’m at a loss for words."


http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/sep/11/summer-2015-set-to-be-worlds-hottest-ever-as-us-temperatures-again-soar

Summer 2015 set to be world's hottest ever as US temperatures again soar

US had its 12-hottest summer but seven of the warmer seasons were in last 15 years. With ocean temperatures rising, scientists warn: ‘It’s definitely not good’


Joanna Walters in New York
@Joannawalters13
Saturday 12 September 2015 08.00 EDT Last modified on Saturday 12 September 2015 08.03 EDT

New data showing that the US had its 12th-hottest summer on record may not, at first glance, appear particularly significant or alarming.

But in announcing the news, climate scientists have pointed out that, of the 11 American summers that were recorded as warmer than 2015’s, seven have occurred in the last 15 years; the other four were all during the “Dustbowl” 1930s heatwaves that plagued the US during the Great Depression.

And, as part of the climate warming trend globally, next Thursday a federal agency is set to announce the latest worldwide figures that are likely to show that it was officially the hottest summer ever recorded on the planet, and the hottest first eight months of the year to date.

- snip -

On Thursday it’s expected officially to be confirmed that the first eight months have been the warmest on record so far and the warmest three-month period June to August, constituting the hottest summer ever logged for the northern hemisphere.

Crouch pointed out that in the first seven months of 2015, worldwide figures had shown that the globe was almost a degree warmer than average and August figures are likely to have been boosted by the strengthening El Niño pattern.

“It’s extraordinary how much of the ocean is at record warm temperatures – about 75% to 80% of the world’s oceans are at record or near record warmth,” he said.

“I’m at a loss for words. It’s definitely not good.”

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"I'm at a loss for words." (Original Post) Hissyspit Sep 2015 OP
It's truly amazing that so many in the scientific community are in on this hoax Martin Eden Sep 2015 #1
Our collective ignorance is truly frightening. nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #2
We are an arrogant species. -none Sep 2015 #5
+1 and love your user name. nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #7
Thanks -none Sep 2015 #10
Yep, we are one or else we are none. nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #16
It's criminal for lawmakers to deny climate change tblue Sep 2015 #3
They remember Jimmy Carter talking about limits, swept out by "Morning In America" Ronald Reagan Overseas Sep 2015 #35
Reagan was actually quite the technocrat--a "we'll just invent our way out of it like we did last MisterP Sep 2015 #36
They will discover that ignorance is never malaise Sep 2015 #4
Unfortunately, most of them will probably die of natural causes before the real consequensces hit. Live and Learn Sep 2015 #9
All except for Cheney.... dixiegrrrrl Sep 2015 #29
So true. nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #41
Among all the other things, all you tens of millions of kids enjoy that soccer game they drove you jtuck004 Sep 2015 #6
Nothing has worked because the ruling class is insanely greedy. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2015 #30
I just got back from Alaska a week ago DFW Sep 2015 #8
Florida has had huge rains. Lake Santa Fe is in folks' backyards. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #37
It's a crisis and we need to act NOW rosesaylavee Sep 2015 #11
This Changes Everything.... daleanime Sep 2015 #12
Yes! rosesaylavee Sep 2015 #23
Thanks for the recommends! daleanime Sep 2015 #26
My efforts have always been met with anger. Duppers Sep 2015 #14
Mine too, or with denial Brainstormy Sep 2015 #15
My brother, along with others.. Duppers Sep 2015 #17
Don't send it him then -- but keep rosesaylavee Sep 2015 #21
Good advice. Frankly, the Far Right corporatists are FAR more sophisticated and effective... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #38
This is one of my all time favorite videos on RW Climate Acceptance rosesaylavee Sep 2015 #40
Nobody wants to listen to me, either -- I've tried. I joined a naturalist group that Nay Sep 2015 #22
Sometimes groups are in a groove rosesaylavee Sep 2015 #24
My elderly aunt who is enamored of Trump rosesaylavee Sep 2015 #20
Agreed, it's a tough conversation - these groups give rosesaylavee Sep 2015 #19
Game Over. RoccoR5955 Sep 2015 #13
Maybe it is...sigh wcmagumba Sep 2015 #27
Science is hard. TBF Sep 2015 #18
What makes it worse is the deliberate intentional dumbing down of our students. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2015 #31
Textbooks are written in Texas - TBF Sep 2015 #32
I was able to give my kids alternative resources dixiegrrrrl Sep 2015 #33
We try to do that as well TBF Sep 2015 #34
Kick, kick, kick! Heidi Sep 2015 #25
And Kick nt Hissyspit Sep 2015 #42
Nothing is done because the oil industry pays azmom Sep 2015 #28
Don't have kids PasadenaTrudy Sep 2015 #39

Martin Eden

(12,761 posts)
1. It's truly amazing that so many in the scientific community are in on this hoax
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 07:27 AM
Sep 2015

Hell, they've even enlisted the cooperation of glaciers to do fake melting.

-none

(1,884 posts)
5. We are an arrogant species.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 08:01 AM
Sep 2015

Too often we believe we are above the fray. That we are somehow special. Yeah, we're special alright. So special we are destroying the ecosystem of the only planet we can ever live on.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
3. It's criminal for lawmakers to deny climate change
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 07:50 AM
Sep 2015

Seriously. They're either deluded or bought or both, any of which should disqualify them for the job. Our government is a racket. Meanwhile the planet is screaming.

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
35. They remember Jimmy Carter talking about limits, swept out by "Morning In America" Ronald Reagan
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 11:55 AM
Sep 2015

Carter tried to talk about the need to move on alternative energy way back in the late 70's and Sustainable Development.

Ronald Reagan came out with a "Morning in America" campaign saying Jimmy was too pessimistic. Americans are great people who need no silly limits. It was a message like "Make America Great Again" all we need is Confidence with a capital C ! And far too many people bought it. Even a whole throng of "Reagan Democrats"!!

Scientists were seeing the C02 trends and warning about what could happen at increasing levels of C02 in the atmosphere. They were emphasizing the less serious scenarios because they didn't want to scare people but to encourage them to act now. The oil industry PR teams saw an opportunity to minimize things and get their denial machinery in motion. What are a few degrees? We'll engineer something to get around that. Americans are great wonderful people who don't need to think about such gloomy stuff.

And Reagan won in a landslide. Many Democrats didn't want to think about all that gloomy stuff-- Sustainable Development was portrayed as setting limits on great people. And uncertainties about exactly how the various scenarios would play out were emphasized. Why limit ourselves when the science was uncertain.

The positive narrative about using the genius of the American people to design sustainable energy sources that didn't require wars over limited resources, and finding new ways to celebrate our lives rather than endless consumption, was drowned out.

We have passed that first level of climate change and are into the middle level of serious consequences they predicted-- floods, fires, droughts, oceans heating up, glaciers melting faster, permafrost releasing methane, insects and disease patterns changing... All predicted back in the late 70's as possible consequences of global warming. But by now hundreds of millions have been spent on denial PR and trillions have been spent in continuing wars for oil resources.

The next level is very scary-- changing of the jet streams that have driven our climate for centuries.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
36. Reagan was actually quite the technocrat--a "we'll just invent our way out of it like we did last
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:19 PM
Sep 2015

time" type, a Happy Days Are Here Again sort; Carter sounded too Puritanical with his belt-tightening and insistence that you not buy really big things you didn't either want or need (heck, many of the New England divines died bringing vaccination to the Colonies)

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
9. Unfortunately, most of them will probably die of natural causes before the real consequensces hit.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 08:07 AM
Sep 2015

At least, that is what they are banking on. Let their grand-kids fend for themselves, is the motto, I guess.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
6. Among all the other things, all you tens of millions of kids enjoy that soccer game they drove you
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 08:02 AM
Sep 2015

to. Here, in China, other countries. Or the coal we burned to generate the power for whatever. That melted the carbon dioxide that is making it so hot kids are screaming when they go outside, somewhere. And maybe around your house before long.

Enjoy 2060. It's gonna get so much more personal soon.

Or maybe you just tell your folks to stop. Who knows? Nothing else has worked.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
30. Nothing has worked because the ruling class is insanely greedy.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 10:21 AM
Sep 2015

We have fought wars for 3 generations over oil and gas, with a military that gobbles up HUGE amounts of oil and gas in the process.

they think their money will make them safe from the consequences of global greed.
"Doesn't matter if Manhattan is sinking a few inches, I live in the penthouse of this building"

DFW

(53,759 posts)
8. I just got back from Alaska a week ago
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 08:04 AM
Sep 2015

And everyone there was saying how unseasonably warm it was, Cape Cod's waters were unusually warm, too, compared to previous years. California has water rationing.

And the deniers will all say it's no big deal, come the first snowflakes that fall in December.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
37. Florida has had huge rains. Lake Santa Fe is in folks' backyards.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:41 PM
Sep 2015

"Moccasins hanging from the cypress limbs like sausage on the smoke house wall."

rosesaylavee

(12,126 posts)
11. It's a crisis and we need to act NOW
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 08:44 AM
Sep 2015

As our leaders are not actively engaged in addressing this, it's up to the rest of us to goad them to action.

Thanks for posting this HS! This reply is directed to all who are reading this thread!

I recommend getting involved in whatever way you can -- here are some links for people to consider:

http://citizensclimatelobby.org/ -- they are promoting a Carbon and Fee dividend that, if enacted, would take us quickly to a spot where we can start addressing the many many other issues involved in this. More info on CF&D here: http://citizensclimatelobby.org/carbon-fee-and-dividend/ -- I am involved in my local chapter in a very RED area. We are making some headway -- as crazy as that sounds.


https://www.climaterealityproject.org/ -- if you are able to make presentations, like to persuade people, to inform people, they have a presentation you can be trained to give in your community. I do this -- it helps. There are still people for which this is news as our media sucks.


http://350.org/ -- they are very action focused. If you like to work with others in your community on drawing physical attention to this crisis -- this is your group. I am also involved with this group but not as much as the first two listed above.


The idea here is -- GET INVOLVED! There is no time for despair or wringing of hands. It's all hands on deck. You are needed.

As Naomi Klein has stated, “To change everything we need everyone”

We need you to be involved in this -- not just reading about it.

Duppers

(28,074 posts)
14. My efforts have always been met with anger.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 09:08 AM
Sep 2015

And I've felt too much despair and depression over this issue for years. No one wants to be told.

In the past, even DU threads on the subject have dropped like rocks. Sigh.

I need to be involved in a groups, locally if possible, so I thank you for postings these links. Bookmarking.



Brainstormy

(2,378 posts)
15. Mine too, or with denial
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 09:11 AM
Sep 2015

A family friend --he's in his sixties--told me last week that climate change hadn't been proven. I sent him a page of links but as I clicked "send" I felt such despair.

rosesaylavee

(12,126 posts)
21. Don't send it him then -- but keep
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 09:37 AM
Sep 2015

the communication open. I was told earlier this year by someone I thought relatively smart, that I was not to bother my sweet little head on this as no doubt Congress has it covered. Yeesh. So, no, don't engage with those who do not want to know this. It's a tough, tough truth to face -- everyone will come to it in their own way, their own time. If someone has trouble addressing hard truths in their lives overall - this will likely not be something they will take in easily.

Find a group == the CCL and Climate Reality groups have tremendous resources on discussing this with others who truly do not know what's going on and want to know.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
38. Good advice. Frankly, the Far Right corporatists are FAR more sophisticated and effective...
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:59 PM
Sep 2015

in getting the denial message out than are more liberal organizations; the RW ideology is locked down, hard & fast. And the folks who adhere to denial beliefs can readily point to groups & organizations who make fun or diss them.

But note that some evangelicals in the deep South are questioning the hard-line RW when it comes to nature protection and stewardship. There is also considerable stirring in the outdoors (hunt/fish) press, criticizing corporate despoiling and privatization of public lands used for outdoor activity. I have seen pointed articles in both Gray's Sporting Journal (high browed, well-heeled) and in the more middle class Petersen's Hunting. This last magazine is really breaking the mold.

rosesaylavee

(12,126 posts)
40. This is one of my all time favorite videos on RW Climate Acceptance
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 01:56 PM
Sep 2015

Check this out -- this was of course before Citizens United:



GW B*sh, Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, John McCain, John Boehner, The Newt, etc. all make an appearance, all say that climate change is real, that it's human caused, that we need to do something about it.

Please share widely.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
22. Nobody wants to listen to me, either -- I've tried. I joined a naturalist group that
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 09:37 AM
Sep 2015

does projects and that's my contribution, in addition to a couple of things that reduce our family's carbon footprint. Oh, and we've made sure our kids are debt-free.

rosesaylavee

(12,126 posts)
24. Sometimes groups are in a groove
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 09:52 AM
Sep 2015

from decades worth of wonderful work - and seeing that work as a small part of the whole is hard. Large group habits are hard to break. I totally get that. I was involved in a group that thought recycling was the be all and end all. Recycling IS a great part of this -- but addressing this climate crisis is the more pressing a need in my opinion than recycling that pop can, that plastic container. Important work, yes -- everyone needs to do what they feel compelled to contribute. My volunteer work is this climate work now.

There ARE chapters for Citizens Climate Lobby in almost EVERY congressional district in the country now. And there is much need for assistance -- letter writing, making calls when requested, etc.

And Climate Reality -- there is no such thing as too many presenters of this material.

Find a group of like minded people -- you will be happier and feel more engaged, I guarantee it!

rosesaylavee

(12,126 posts)
20. My elderly aunt who is enamored of Trump
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 09:33 AM
Sep 2015

but lives in Florida -- agrees with me on Climate Change!

Sometimes -- the personal conversation -- not just a link, but an honest "This is what is concerning me, does this concern you" conversations opens up the discussion on another level. These groups give tools, techniques, suggestions for communication. It works on most. If someone is really not going to listen, there is nothing you can do for them. They will have to come to it another way. Find someone else to talk to about it -- work with a group -- any group -- all are needed!

rosesaylavee

(12,126 posts)
19. Agreed, it's a tough conversation - these groups give
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 09:30 AM
Sep 2015

techniques that work for discussing it with people open to hearing about it. It's a dance. Those truly in denial -- don't bother with them. If we can get 15-20% of the populace engaged, working on this -- it will happen. There was less engaged, supportive of Civil Rights when that passed -- we can do this thing. We HAVE to do this thing.

TBF

(31,870 posts)
18. Science is hard.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 09:22 AM
Sep 2015

People want to believe in mythical figures providing the glorious heaven ... they don't want to use complex reasoning to understand the science. It is extremely frustrating.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
31. What makes it worse is the deliberate intentional dumbing down of our students.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 10:27 AM
Sep 2015

I just found out that Alabama Schools do not teach history before the year 1887
They are not allowed to teach about the Civil War.
1887 is post-Reconstruction.


(See "Confederates in the Attic", by Horowitz)

TBF

(31,870 posts)
32. Textbooks are written in Texas -
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 11:18 AM
Sep 2015

Great article from NYTimes that explains exactly how it's being done --

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/jun/21/how-texas-inflicts-bad-textbooks-on-us/

When it comes to meddling with school textbooks, Texas is both similar to other states and totally different. It’s hardly the only one that likes to fiddle around with the material its kids study in class. The difference is due to size—4.8 million textbook-reading schoolchildren as of 2011—and the peculiarities of its system of government, in which the State Board of Education is selected in elections that are practically devoid of voters, and wealthy donors can chip in unlimited amounts of money to help their favorites win.

Those favorites are not shrinking violets. In 2009, the nation watched in awe as the state board worked on approving a new science curriculum under the leadership of a chair who believed that “evolution is hooey.” In 2010, the subject was social studies and the teachers tasked with drawing up course guidelines were supposed to work in consultation with “experts” added on by the board, one of whom believed that the income tax was contrary to the word of God in the scriptures.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
33. I was able to give my kids alternative resources
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 11:28 AM
Sep 2015

and taught them how to navigate stupid but required classes.
taht was years ago, when the stupid was not as strong as it is now.

TBF

(31,870 posts)
34. We try to do that as well
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 11:30 AM
Sep 2015

And I always help her find her current events items for her Science class in the NYTimes. Last week she wrote about the dust lady dying from exposure to toxins (9/11). It always sparks discussion

azmom

(5,208 posts)
28. Nothing is done because the oil industry pays
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 10:14 AM
Sep 2015

Politicians to push their agenda. We need a people's revolution in order to demand change.

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