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spanone

(135,844 posts)
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 08:49 PM Sep 2015

NOT the onion....'Fiorina defends citing nonexistent abortion video'

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At Wednesday’s second Republican debate, Carly Fiorina described a secretly recorded video from an anti-abortion group, part of a series that includes Planned Parenthood executives, as showing “a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking, while someone says, ‘We have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.’” She challenged Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama to watch the tapes for themselves.

One problem: No such video exists.

What does exist is a video interview of a former employee of StemExpress, a tissue procurement agency like the fictitious group represented by the anti-abortion activists behind the video. In it, she claims she saw a fetus with a heartbeat, and says her supervisor planned to procure the fetus’s brain for medical research. The video also includes unrelated stock footage of a fetus outside the womb that purports to be from an abortion, although the Center for Medical Progress, the group behind the videos, was also caught using, without attribution or permission, a photo from a woman’s stillbirth as if it showed an aborted fetus. No one in the videos has even alleged that a fetus was kept alive to harvest a brain, nor is there footage of it.

On Wednesday night, this was pointed out by numerous sources, including The Washington Post’s fact checker, who wrote, “No video has surfaced showing the scene Fiorina describes taking place inside a Planned Parenthood facility.” Politifact rated the statement “mostly false,” and a Vox reporter, Sarah Kliff, who watched all twelve hours of the footage, wrote, “What she says happens in the Planned Parenthood videos simply does not exist.” Planned Parenthood sent out a memo, headlined simply, “Carly Fiorina lied.”

Fiorina has refused to back away from the claim. “Rest assure, I have seen the images I talked about last night,” she told ABC News. “Rest assure, human lives are being harvested.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/fiorina-defends-citing-nonexistent-abortion-video

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NOT the onion....'Fiorina defends citing nonexistent abortion video' (Original Post) spanone Sep 2015 OP
Yet another damn fool! She's delusional! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2015 #1
she's damned scary. harvesting human beings? insane! spanone Sep 2015 #2
And she feeding that bull crap to millions and millions, many so damn RKP5637 Sep 2015 #4
What? Soylent Green wasn't a documentary? gratuitous Sep 2015 #13
Bwhahhahahaaaa...! spanone Sep 2015 #14
Would you believe madamesilverspurs Sep 2015 #29
Of course she is, she believes that she did a good job at HP. Thor_MN Sep 2015 #22
Yep, she was a total failure. I recall it well!!! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2015 #34
She's not delusional. She is just a liar and like all the GOP who lie, they never back down or kelliekat44 Sep 2015 #36
Quite true. They tell their lies over and over again and the information limited start believing RKP5637 Sep 2015 #39
and yesterday she said Hillary lied about Benghazi and her emails napkinz Sep 2015 #3
Liar libodem Sep 2015 #5
She doesn't care, because the GOP base are the perfect marks. They will believe any lie tblue37 Sep 2015 #6
Hooboy. And they're saying she did great. DirkGently Sep 2015 #7
Pundits agreed in unison that she "won" the debate Ashdric Sep 2015 #8
oh, there's plenty time.... spanone Sep 2015 #10
Rest assure, she's not letting facts get in the way of her good debate reviews. Gidney N Cloyd Sep 2015 #9
It seems she has no brain to harvest Omaha Steve Sep 2015 #11
More PukeBagger bullshit. SoapBox Sep 2015 #12
"Rest assure, human lives are being harvested." Skittles Sep 2015 #15
they are insane in their insanity. that stage last night held the cream of the republican crop....that's scary. spanone Sep 2015 #19
Just another Republic ghoul. stopbush Sep 2015 #16
"...was also caught using, without attribution or permission, a photo from a woman’s stillbirth Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #17
Why do they need to keep it alive? warpigs72 Sep 2015 #18
because it sounds worse when read from the anti-choicer script, probably. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #20
Of Course warpigs72 Sep 2015 #23
NOT The Onion ... 'Carly the Communicator' progree Sep 2015 #21
She must be talking about some sci-fi horror Comedy MOVIE.... that she saw... yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #24
"It's Alive" Skittles Sep 2015 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author BlueJazz Sep 2015 #26
I Used To Think She Wasn't An Airhead... NonMetro Sep 2015 #27
Harvesting Humans ?? Damn! She watched the wrong film. BlueJazz Sep 2015 #28
She's got that same "Stepford Wife" look around the eyes.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #30
Top of the hour CNN radio news quoted that as their quote from the debate. mucifer Sep 2015 #31
So she is such a huge idiot, that she believes pictures and video if they agree with her? Rex Sep 2015 #32
Sue her for slander. DetlefK Sep 2015 #33
Politifact kills me Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2015 #35
She either has a vivid imagination or she's mentally ill. Vinca Sep 2015 #37
She's counting on the mental illness of Republican voters Martin Eden Sep 2015 #40
R you kidding me? Botany Sep 2015 #38

madamesilverspurs

(15,805 posts)
29. Would you believe
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:48 PM
Sep 2015

there's a woman in town who believes that Obama's healthcare reform is just a front for turning old folks into Soylent Green? She's been spouting this for six years at least, and is reliably present at every area event hosted by Americans for Prosperity. She's easy to spot, always carries a day-glo green poster hand-lettered with her warning. Creeeeeeepy.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
22. Of course she is, she believes that she did a good job at HP.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:23 PM
Sep 2015

Reality is not her strong suit.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
36. She's not delusional. She is just a liar and like all the GOP who lie, they never back down or
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:43 AM
Sep 2015

correct their lies. And the sad part about it is that so many voters out there choose to believe them and honor them for lying.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
39. Quite true. They tell their lies over and over again and the information limited start believing
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 09:51 AM
Sep 2015

them. I have a couple of friends, very well educated, but they find politics annoying. They vote, vote democratic, and do critical thinking ... but I've had to correct them a couple of times on something they have said/thought that were right from the right wing machine ... because they had just caught some information here and there.

I like DU, so read here a lot, but I bet I could be caught up into thinking some RW lies were true if not for DU. I think people are often very trusting, so think someone like her might be truthful, but HA, look at what she did to HP. Yep, another liar, she is!

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
6. She doesn't care, because the GOP base are the perfect marks. They will believe any lie
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:42 PM
Sep 2015

that reinforces their prejudices and obsessions.

Since she will get a boost from the lie and won't suffer any consequences, she is just like Honey Badger--she doesn't give a ______.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
7. Hooboy. And they're saying she did great.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:52 PM
Sep 2015

I missed this last night somehow. Unbelievable.

She's citing crazy YouTube videos.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,841 posts)
9. Rest assure, she's not letting facts get in the way of her good debate reviews.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 10:02 PM
Sep 2015

Rest assure, she'll never admit to her crappy record as a CEO, either.

spanone

(135,844 posts)
19. they are insane in their insanity. that stage last night held the cream of the republican crop....that's scary.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:05 PM
Sep 2015

war and fetuses....all they really care about

oh, and hating immigrants.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
17. "...was also caught using, without attribution or permission, a photo from a woman’s stillbirth
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:05 PM
Sep 2015

as if it showed an aborted fetus."

This is the bottom line. The anti-choice movement is so convinced of their moral rectitude on this issue, that they blatantly lie through their teeth. "The planned parenthood videos" aren't about any of the litany of phony outrages being huffed about by the GOP. They're about one thing and one thing only- outlawing abortion in a country where most people are pro-choice.

This is what moral crusaders do, when they've lost their argument. They make up phony hyperbolic-sounding bullshit to mischaracterize the thing they're crusading against, to try to win the arguments they lose on the facts.

Every time.

warpigs72

(31 posts)
18. Why do they need to keep it alive?
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:05 PM
Sep 2015

‘We have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.’”

What is the reasoning behind this? Has anyone asked why this would be necessary? I am not an expert in this, but does this even make sense? If someone would "harvest" the brain wouldn't it die at that point? Beyond the video BS, does this make any sense whatsoever? If the fetus was dead would it make any difference?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
20. because it sounds worse when read from the anti-choicer script, probably.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:07 PM
Sep 2015

The videos are fake manipulations designed to sway public opinion on an argument they consistently lose otherwise.

progree

(10,909 posts)
21. NOT The Onion ... 'Carly the Communicator'
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:16 PM
Sep 2015
Carly the Communicator
Liz Goodwin, Senior National Affairs Reporter, Yahoo Politics, September 17, 2015

In her impressive debate performance Wednesday night, former HP CEO Carly Fiorina deftly managed to back-foot the shameless Donald Trump for his jab at her looks, smoothly describe the geopolitics of the Middle East, and somehow link Iran and Planned Parenthood as two issues of “character" for the nation that garnered one of the loudest applause lines of the night.

Fiorina dominated the debate with a fluency and confidence that many of her rivals, far more seasoned in politics, were not able to muster. She also skillfully managed to interject herself in many of the exchanges, racking up the third most speaking minutes of any candidate.

More: Blah blah blah blah about how she's incredibly wonderful: https://www.yahoo.com/politics/carly-the-communicator-in-her-impressive-129282275421.html


Oh, and no more reference to Planned Parenthood than in the first paragraph of above. And nothing about being a wee bit of a prevaricator.

yuiyoshida

(41,832 posts)
24. She must be talking about some sci-fi horror Comedy MOVIE.... that she saw...
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:27 PM
Sep 2015

THAT must be it!! Any ideas?

Response to spanone (Original post)

NonMetro

(631 posts)
27. I Used To Think She Wasn't An Airhead...
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:42 PM
Sep 2015

Even though she outsourced 30,000 jobs and practically ran HP into the ground. I mean, that's not at all an unusual CEO track record these days. But now.....

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
30. She's got that same "Stepford Wife" look around the eyes....
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:49 PM
Sep 2015

Whoever harvested her brain should put it back.

mucifer

(23,553 posts)
31. Top of the hour CNN radio news quoted that as their quote from the debate.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:14 AM
Sep 2015

They didn't question the validity. They just played the tape of her quote. I was so angry.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
32. So she is such a huge idiot, that she believes pictures and video if they agree with her?
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:51 AM
Sep 2015

Wow. That is like Dubya stupid level stupid.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
35. Politifact kills me
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:38 AM
Sep 2015

"Mostly false"? How do they do a "mostly false" on something that doesn't exist. That should win their "pants on fire" rating.

Vinca

(50,279 posts)
37. She either has a vivid imagination or she's mentally ill.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 07:53 AM
Sep 2015

I was thinking more about her statement and for a fetus to emerge in the condition she describes, it would have to be a late term abortion. Late term abortions are not done in PP offices, they're done in hospitals. And, as you all know, they aren't done unless absolutely medically necessary. It also does not make sense when she says the fetus had to be kept alive to harvest organs. Fetal tissue doesn't come from a live donor. I imagine whatever she saw - if she saw anything - was a staged re-enactment produced by an anti-abortion group and that it has no more basis in reality than the Area 51 alien autopsy.

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
40. She's counting on the mental illness of Republican voters
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 10:52 AM
Sep 2015

Whether or not Fiorina actually believed what she said is difficult to discern, and almost besides the point.

I think her strategy was to make the most incendiary assertion about the PP contoversy to stoke outrage among the base, in order to be their champion for protecting innocent fetal liife. Fact-checking means nothing to the GOP base. What will stick with them when it comes time to vote is the strong emotional reaction of the imagery Fiorina put in their heads.

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