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Stargazer99

(2,585 posts)
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:55 PM Sep 2015

You "right to lifers" out there answer this question

I feel Baby Doe would have been much better off having been aborted
rather than the horrible death she must have suffered at possibly parental hands
there is a lot more to life than just breathing
when you start supporting healthcare, good education, mental health services (not all parents are loving people and that creates a societal problem) a place to call home..until you can solve those problems SHUT UP because you really don't care about human life.

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You "right to lifers" out there answer this question (Original Post) Stargazer99 Sep 2015 OP
rather than use thiat argument, I prefer hollysmom Sep 2015 #1
That's a good comeback... Phentex Sep 2015 #4
that is powerful virtualobserver Sep 2015 #8
Do you have come context for this post, please? MineralMan Sep 2015 #2
Major break in Baby Doe case; Neighbors describe missing girl next door mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2015 #6
Thanks! MineralMan Sep 2015 #12
You must have looked away from the Internet for ten seconds. mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2015 #13
I live in Boston and have been hearing about this on the news all day. smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #3
I would remove "can't take care of" as that usually jwirr Sep 2015 #5
It's not always about economics, but about determining beforehand whether you have smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #11
That is a good point. One of my grandsons is a gamer jwirr Sep 2015 #14
The question to ask them is why did God let the kid die? YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #7
Could be both. Just not "All-Beneficent." WinkyDink Sep 2015 #10
What is the question? WinkyDink Sep 2015 #9
This is a shitty argument. Brickbat Sep 2015 #15

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
1. rather than use thiat argument, I prefer
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:57 PM
Sep 2015

stating that I believe more fetuses die in miscarriage because of the lack of prenatal care available to the poor. I don't have the statistics, but am willing to guess that is true - not to mention babies that suffer from lack of nutrition when parents are denied food stamps.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
4. That's a good comeback...
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:03 PM
Sep 2015

I am sorta going for the wording in the OP when I argue with these nutballs, but I think your first line may be more effective.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
8. that is powerful
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:14 PM
Sep 2015

it forces them to take responsibility for their policies that harm the poor

although in terms of food stamps, the right wing doesn't care about anyone who has been born.

I recently read a quote from a Catholic activist who said that the RW are not pro-life, they are pro-birth,

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,499 posts)
13. You must have looked away from the Internet for ten seconds.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:39 PM
Sep 2015

What were you thinking?

(Please, people: sarcasm.)

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
3. I live in Boston and have been hearing about this on the news all day.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 12:58 PM
Sep 2015

WFH today. It's so tragic. Why do people bring children into the world that they don't want, can't love or take care of. It's cruel. Much worse than abortion in my opinion.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
5. I would remove "can't take care of" as that usually
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:08 PM
Sep 2015

depends on circumstances beyond ones control.

Poverty is often merely a result of the market. You can get a divorce, go bankrupt, make a bad investment, be hit by a storm that takes out everything you own, not be able to find a job and bingo - you are in poverty.

I we insist that the economics should determine if one can have a child we just need to abort all children - because tomorrow you could end up poor or rich depending on the market.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
11. It's not always about economics, but about determining beforehand whether you have
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:18 PM
Sep 2015

the capacity to properly care for a child. I am not poor, but I don't have children because a) I have no maternal instincts and b) I am fully aware of the fact that I am not capable of caring for a child properly.

It's kind of why I don't have a dog, even though I love them more than anything. Yes, I can't really afford to care for it properly (don't want to leave it alone all day while I am at work, so would want to pay for doggie day care, which I can't afford) and don't want the dog to stay home alone all day while I am at work so I don't have one. If my situation would change, I would get one.

The point is that I think people really need to think about how well they are equipped to care for a child in every way (emotionally, logistically, financially, etc). If you don't think you can do it, don't have them.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
14. That is a good point. One of my grandsons is a gamer
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:42 PM
Sep 2015

and so is his girlfriend. My daughter and I have talked with them about not having children until they are ready to give up their addiction to games. The two have agreed that is a valid point. And I actually think more young couples are thinking this way.

 

YabaDabaNoDinoNo

(460 posts)
7. The question to ask them is why did God let the kid die?
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:12 PM
Sep 2015

If everything is gods will why did God let it happen? Unless God wanted it to happen in the first place

Either God is all powerful and and all knowing or god is not. Take yer pick there is only one choice


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