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68 years ago today, the US Air Force became its own branch. (Original Post) NuclearDem Sep 2015 OP
And on Sept 19th... HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #1
That's funny Renew Deal Sep 2015 #14
Damn, I'm older than the United States Air Force. (NM) Elwood P Dowd Sep 2015 #2
Me too! Basic LA Sep 2015 #7
I was drafted into the US Army. Elwood P Dowd Sep 2015 #8
My goal in life is to live to be older than the U.S. Army pinboy3niner Sep 2015 #10
I was just a few months from turning 24 when drafted (1970) and the second oldest guy in my basic Elwood P Dowd Sep 2015 #11
I'm happy that worked out well for you pinboy3niner Sep 2015 #13
Glad I didn't give in to the pressure to sign up for OCS because I had a degree. Elwood P Dowd Sep 2015 #15
Yeah, I lost a lot of friends pinboy3niner Sep 2015 #16
When my father flew B-17s, it was still the USAAF. MineralMan Sep 2015 #3
And still the Army managed to hang onto its own aviation pinboy3niner Sep 2015 #5
... TwilightGardener Sep 2015 #4
U.S. Air Force song (with lyrics) pinboy3niner Sep 2015 #6
My grandfather was an Army Air Force officer during World War II. hunter Sep 2015 #9
This Air Force vet knew that! My Dad was in the Army Air Corp at the time of the change. Scuba Sep 2015 #12

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
8. I was drafted into the US Army.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 03:48 PM
Sep 2015

Now it would be cool if both of us were still living and older than the US Army and US Navy. The stories we could tell.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
10. My goal in life is to live to be older than the U.S. Army
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 03:57 PM
Sep 2015

Wish me luck!

And I was also an Army draftee (1967). But I volunteered for the draft so I could get out in 2 in case I didn't like it.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
11. I was just a few months from turning 24 when drafted (1970) and the second oldest guy in my basic
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 04:16 PM
Sep 2015

training company. Got lucky after AIT and spent my 2 years in the US.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
13. I'm happy that worked out well for you
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 04:44 PM
Sep 2015

i was gung-ho, volunteered for everything when I entered at 18. After Basic, Leadership School and Advanced Infantry Training, I went to Infantry OCS, where I was one of the youngest and littlest guys there. Commissioned at 19.

I remember one very rigorous and physical training day in OCS. When our Tac officer finally brought us back to the company area at chow time, the perverse SOB didn't release us to go to the mess hall; he led us out to an open field where he made us low-crawl to try to reach him as he kept stepping backward before he'd release us individually for chow.

I was totally physically exhausted, but I got the idea in my head to fuck up his spit shine. So I dug deep and low-crawled with a vengeance to to get him. And it was me and Doidge, the two littlest guys in the platoon, who reached him first and were released to go for chow.

And I recently checked the draft lottery numbers and discovered that I would have been drafted anyway a couple of years later.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
15. Glad I didn't give in to the pressure to sign up for OCS because I had a degree.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 05:53 PM
Sep 2015

That would have meant an extra year along with 6 months of hell. They did sucker me into that 2-week leadership school. Went into the Army as an E-1, got out an E-5. Some of my friends from high school and college made it out by coming home in a body bag. A high school baseball teammate was there involved in some nasty stuff during TET, came home alive when his tour was up, and then later decided to go back into the Army and become an officer. He was lost when his chopper was shot down while working with an ARVN unit in 1972.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
16. Yeah, I lost a lot of friends
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 06:19 PM
Sep 2015

It was many years later when I checked and discovered that more than 60 guys I knew died in Vietnam. I stopped counting then.

A roommate in AIT (when we had a cadre room in the barracks as acting NCOs) was awarded the Medal of Honor posthumously and my OCS roommate, who went on to Rucker for flight school to become a chopper pilot, crashed and died.

I didn't even count the guys who suicided afterward, like my first RTO in-country.

After Vietnam I didn't expect to live to see 30. Not that I had any conscious premonition, it was more of a subconscious feeling after seeing so many die so young. It just seemed normal because it was so normal for us there. And maybe a little survivor's guilt, too, expecting to be punished for making it.

I can't believe, and don't know why, I'm still here today. Still crazy after all these years, and still remembering absent friends.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
3. When my father flew B-17s, it was still the USAAF.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 03:14 PM
Sep 2015

It needed to become a new branch of the military following the war, since its mission and the Army's were very different. By the time I enlisted in the USAF in 1965, that conversion was full-scale complete. Of course, the only airplanes I ever flew in were commercial airliners going from one assignment to another. In fact, there were no planes at any of the bases where I was stationed. Go figure.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
5. And still the Army managed to hang onto its own aviation
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 03:23 PM
Sep 2015

Army airmobility became important in the Vietnam War and remains important under its later designation as Air Assault.

The Army still has some fixed-wing elements, but it has BEAUCOUP HELICOPTERS.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
9. My grandfather was an Army Air Force officer during World War II.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 03:53 PM
Sep 2015

They retired him just before the "birthday" of the Air Force as a separate military branch.

I suspect it had a lot to do with captured Nazi technology and scientists, and nuclear weapons. Suddenly there were a lot of little gods walking around.

After the war anyone who felt a little chafed by the elevation of the Dr. Strangelove types was sent packing. My grandfather worked with a few "eccentric" technical and scientific people during the war, and they were sent packing too.

I'm not pissing on anyone who has served, or serves now, in the Air Force, but I think its creation was a mistake.

The Fundamentalist Christian crowd in the Air Force is just creepy.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
12. This Air Force vet knew that! My Dad was in the Army Air Corp at the time of the change.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 04:33 PM
Sep 2015

As the youngest branch of the military service, the Air Force became known as the "Little Sister" of the Army and the birthplace of many an "instant tradition."

The AF is also distinguished by the fact that officers do (most of) the combat missions while it's the enlisted personnel who remain in the rear with the gear.

Happy Birthday, USAF. Now do something about those crazy evangelicals who have taken over the Academy!

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