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(A really interesting read)
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/one-southerner-says-the-confederacy-was-a-con-job-on-white-people-and-its-legacy-still-is-today/
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Q: Joshua Holland: You say the Confederacy was a con job on whites then and now. Didnt white Southerners profit immensely from slavery prior to the Civil War?
A: Frank Hyman: Yeah, but most of the profit then, as now, went to the one-percenters people at the top of the pile. About a third of Southern families did own slaves, so it was pretty widespread, but there were plenty of families that might own one or two enslaved Africans. They werent wealthy. The bulk of all slaves were owned by the top 5 percent or 10 percent of Southern families.
A small number of people in the South profited immensely. In my research I found that most of the one-percenters in the US were Southerners, not Northern industrialists. The Southern states were wealthier than any nation in Europe except for England, because there was so much money to be made growing cash-crops if you werent actually paying people to help you harvest them.
Q: But there was a middle class. In addition to those smaller landholders, there must have been other people who sold wagon wheels or imported fancy goods from Europe or whatever.
A: Right, but for the bulk of the population what we would call the working-class today slavery wasnt at all financially beneficial. One-third of the population were African-Americans being paid nothing for their work, and that drove down wages. And not just in agriculture. Slavery drove down wages in the skilled crafts because a quarter of all enslaved people were trained to be carpenters and cobblers and masons and wheelwrights and shipwrights and everything else you could imagine. The slave-owners thought, gosh, why should I pay this white guy a professional wage when I can just train some of my slaves to do the work?
So most white folks in the South were economic losers because of slavery, but many of them bought into the institution for what they saw as its social value. They might have a crummy deal in life, but somebody else had it even worse than they did. That was a big selling point in a lot of the literature from that period, many of which were owned by slaveholders. Pamphlets, newspapers, novels and magazines conveyed the message that you might have it rough as a poor white person, but you were still better off than black people.
eppur_se_muova
(36,305 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)yellowcanine
(35,702 posts)Withholding voting rights from AAs meant that they could not join with poor whites in voting out the corrupt upper class white power structure. And many of the poor whites were sharecroppers on the big plantations just like the AAs were.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)their own interests.
TBF
(32,111 posts)I live in Texas now but my home state is Wisconsin. I've watched that state go from strong union membership when I was a kid to manufacturing gone, family farms out of business, and Scott Walker being voted in as governor. As the saying goes "the struggle is real".
Bunches of folks there now working in big-box stores and fast food ... voting against their own interests each time they vote.
Stevepol
(4,234 posts)having their votes miscounted by voting machines programmed to tilt the vote 3-5% or whatever it takes to change the so-called results? This happened in April of 2011. Remember?
State Investigating Vote Irregularities in Waukesha County Going Back 5 Years'
By Brad Friedman on 4/14/2011, 9:18pm PT
Link:
http://bradblog.com/?p=8474
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)TBF
(32,111 posts)who was really into this and proved mathematically (or so he said) that there have been many issues with the voting machines. I don't doubt it a bit.
But I also don't doubt that lower-income people are being brainwashed by sources like FOX news. I have too many family members and old school mates back home talking about Obama being Muslim and sharing posts from "being conservative". The marketing has been endless. They have decided that "conservatives" are people who love Jesus, guns, and country music. Billionaires are to be revered because they "worked hard". They love Donald Trump but no mention of how much money he inherited (working hard had nothing to do with his fortune). It goes on and on ... these are folks who work as waitresses, Walmart stockers, etc.
Put those 2 things together and it becomes clear as to how we end up with a president like George W. Bush.
flygal
(3,231 posts)guns guns guns - hates poor people (welfare cheats he says) and thinks he's Libertarian (Rand Paul and Ben Carson fan). He has a lowish paying job (around $25K) but it is UNION! Great benefits and a raise every 6 months.
But - guns guns guns - hate the liberals for wanting my guns. ?????? I try and tell him "you're not rich enough or religious enough" to benefit from the Republicans.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)and it was a bastion of Progressiveness. Then it went full red state with Walker.
Now the rich from wherever are coming in and buying these beautiful family farms to use as their playgrounds and to show off to their rich friends. Hell my uncle had to sell half of his farm to Dennis Hastert no less, talk about insult to injury. (no joke)
TBF
(32,111 posts)My grandfather and his brothers each had farms. One survives - a portion of it - as a strawberry picking monstrosity. That's it.
mrdmk
(2,943 posts)The following is a short list of positive and negative laws passed that affect the United States worker. Of course, one could make a study of the following information, also using Wikipedia as a guideline is advisable, whereas, using Wikipedia as a final source is not.
Fair Labor Standards Act
The Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 (abbreviated as FLSA; also referred to as the Wages and Hours Bill) is a federal statute of the United States. The FLSA introduced the forty-hour work week, established a national minimum wage, guaranteed "time-and-a-half" for overtime in certain jobs, and prohibited most employment of minors in "oppressive child labor", a term that is defined in the statute. It applies to employees engaged in interstate commerce or employed by an enterprise engaged in commerce or in the production of goods for commerce, unless the employer can claim an exemption from coverage.
The FLSA was originally drafted in 1932 by Senator Hugo Black, who was later appointed to the Supreme Court in 1937. However, Black's proposal to require employers to adopt a thirty-hour workweek met stiff resistance. In 1938 a revised version of Black's proposal was passed that adopted an eight-hour day and a forty-hour workweek and allowed workers to earn wage for an extra four hours of overtime as well. According to the act, workers must be paid minimum wage and overtime pay must be one-and-a-half times regular pay. Children under eighteen cannot do certain dangerous jobs, and children under the age of sixteen cannot work during school hours. The FLSA affected 700,000 workers, and President Franklin Roosevelt called it the most important piece of New Deal legislation since the Social Security Act of 1935.
link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Labor_Standards_Act#Further_reading
Labor Management Relations Act of 1947
The Labor Management Relations Act of 1947 29 U.S.C. § 401-531 better known as the TaftHartley Act, (80 H.R. 3020, Pub.L. 80101, 61 Stat. 136, enacted June 23, 1947) is a United States federal law that restricts the activities and power of labor unions. The act, still effective, was sponsored by Senator Robert A. Taft and Representative Fred A. Hartley, Jr., and became law by overcoming U.S. President Harry S. Truman's veto on June 23, 1947; labor leaders called it the "slave-labor bill" while President Truman argued that it was a "dangerous intrusion on free speech", and that it would "conflict with important principles of our democratic society". Nevertheless, Truman would subsequently use it twelve times during his presidency. The TaftHartley Act amended the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA; informally the Wagner Act), which Congress passed in 1935. The principal author of the TaftHartley Act was J. Mack Swigert of the Cincinnati law firm Taft, Stettinius & Hollister.
link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Management_Relations_Act_of_1947
Right-to-work law
A "right-to-work" law is a statute in the United States that prohibits union security agreements, or agreements between labor unions and employers, that govern the extent to which an established union can require employees' membership, payment of union dues, or fees as a condition of employment, either before or after hiring. Right-to-work laws do not aim to provide general guarantee of employment to people seeking work, but rather are a government regulation of the contractual agreements between employers and labor unions that prevents them from excluding non-union workers, or requiring employees to pay a fee to unions that have negotiated the labor contract all the employees work under.
Right-to-work provisions (either by law or by constitutional provision) exist in 25 U.S. states, mostly in the southern and western United States, but also including the midwestern states of Michigan, Indiana, and Wisconsin. Business interests represented by the Chamber of Commerce have lobbied extensively to pass right-to-work legislation. Such laws are allowed under the 1947 federal TaftHartley Act. A further distinction is often made within the law between those persons employed by state and municipal governments and those employed by the private sector with states that are otherwise union shop (i.e., pay union dues or lose the job) having right to work laws in effect for government employees.
link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law
The United States is at a cross-roads today on the view of labor. The real truth is wages grew from the 1930's to the 1970's. From the 1970's to the present, wages have remained relatively flat...
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I like this from your quote:
Right-to-work provisions (either by law or by constitutional provision) exist in 25 U.S. states, mostly in the southern and western United States, but also including the midwestern states of Michigan, Indiana, and Wisconsin
link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law
I strongly support Bernie Sanders' proposed labor legislation.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)pansypoo53219
(21,004 posts)we need a affirmative action for POOR people.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)goods right on their plantations preferred to purchase them from Europe, especially France, so that the southern middle class was just a fraction the size of the middle class up north. Plus, very little money spilled out of the wealthy plantations to farmers eking out livings on whatever land the big planters didn't want.
This preference for foreign goods and the plantation culture's contempt for northern culture, with a desire to dissociate their finer selves from its crass industrialism, were other big reasons for secession that blew up big time when the north instituted tariffs on imports to try to get the South to "buy American" factory goods. The fact that most couldn't afford even cheaper American goods was not considered by many of them, and was of course totally irrelevant to the plantation owners.
You bet the confederacy was and is a con job -- BUT, even so it was mostly a self con, same as today. Abe Lincoln wasn't even on the ballot in most states down here, but most of the majority who were not allowed to vote for or against him were very happy with that anyway.
Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)themselves and others that some other group, not themselves, are bottom of the pile. When the Irish (among my favourite people) immigrants in New York were 'it', their savagery towards the African Americans knew no bounds.
NonMetro
(631 posts)And racism itself was invented by wealthy slaveholders to prevent slaves and poor whites from teaming up against them. It was a coercive system - just like today. Not that much has changed!
Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)themselves and others that some other group, not themselves, are bottom of the pile. When the Irish (among my favourite people) immigrants in New York were 'it', their savagery towards the African Americans knew no bounds; the same mindset, in principle, that has caused so many rednecks to 'blow a gasket' with Obama as (technically) their supreme boss. Nevertheless, it makes the malice of the monied racists all the more demonic.
DinahMoeHum
(21,812 posts)A man who chronicled today's poor white Southerners who are STILL economic losers 150 years after the Civil War.
http://www.coldtype.net/joe.html
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)So many of them have shown, time and time again, that they would rather vote to deny "those other people" civil rights and destroy the social safety net for minorities and women - while simultaneously, believing that THEIR Social Security, Medicare, etc. will be left untouched. Please.
TBF
(32,111 posts)the divide and conquer from the owners that makes this happen. Make someone a "manager" at McDonald's, pay them $20 an hour instead of $8 and watch the dynamics. That is what they do throughout the society. To change this we get rid of capitalism because it only encourages and rewards this.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Their votes enable policy that affects YOU. So you better find a way to appeal to them because condescension isn't working.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)and they pit poor against poor, race against race, to keep that money and that power.
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