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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 06:33 AM Oct 2015

Why Bombing a Hospital Is a War Crime

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/10/08/why-bombing-hospital-war-crime

Jecs’ words cry out from the MSF website: “It was crazy,” he said. “We had to organize a mass casualty plan in the office, seeing which doctors were alive and available to help. We did an urgent surgery for one of our doctors. Unfortunately he died there on the office table. We did our best, but it wasn’t enough.”

And the world, or a sizable piece of it, can put itself inside the burning, deliberately bombed hospital. And the U.S. is accused of committing a war crime.

I’ve been pondering those words ever since they entered the conversation: pondering their moral weight, their heart-stopping, accusatory coldness. My initial reaction was, well, of course it’s a war crime. Indeed, the two words, “war” and “crime,” ought to be inextricably linked. It’s impossible to wage war — especially the way a superpower wages war, with so many weapons of mass destruction at the ready — without violating conventional moral strictures, without killing civilians in mind-numbing numbers, with virtually every action.

So why is this different? Bombing a hospital, especially with deliberate intent — apparently at the behest of the Afghan government, which has hated the hospital for treating the injured regardless what side they’re on — is depraved and utterly reckless. Not only did the U.S. kill patients and staff members from all over the world, who were working there because of a commitment to give help to those in harm’s way, but it destroyed one of the few medical centers in a city with a population of over 300,000.
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Why Bombing a Hospital Is a War Crime (Original Post) eridani Oct 2015 OP
K & R malaise Oct 2015 #1
K and r. cwydro Oct 2015 #2
KnR. bemildred Oct 2015 #3
We dropped 2 atom bombs on Japan. . . B Calm Oct 2015 #4
A dubious measure of progress gratuitous Oct 2015 #12
K&R. This is a must-read piece on DU today. (N/T) Old Crow Oct 2015 #5
And yet, no General has been Fired Demeter Oct 2015 #6
Its one of the few occupations where d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #17
So was bombing Pearl Harbor Jeneral2885 Oct 2015 #7
How about MH17 Jeneral2885 Oct 2015 #8
No one's said the events you've listed aren't horrible. Old Crow Oct 2015 #9
Well thats just great GummyBearz Oct 2015 #10
Edward Snowden has an elegant solution to the question... Octafish Oct 2015 #11
Bingo! Old Crow Oct 2015 #14
Wouldn't it be great if there was a whistleblower interested in justice who'd leak the tape? Octafish Oct 2015 #15
Why not wait to see what the investigation turns up? randome Oct 2015 #13
Why haven't we seen the photos and life stories of the dead in this tragedy? lostnfound Oct 2015 #16
The media is too busy with the Kardashians d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #18
K&R nt. polly7 Oct 2015 #19
US Military Was Aware Kunduz Trauma Center Was Fully Functioning Hospital, Sources Say eridani Oct 2015 #20

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
12. A dubious measure of progress
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:25 AM
Oct 2015

I guess it's good that we didn't nuke the hospital. Still pretty reprehensible.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
17. Its one of the few occupations where
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 02:27 PM
Oct 2015

one can royally screw up and not get punished for it. That and being POTUS and Vice POTUS.

Jeneral2885

(1,354 posts)
7. So was bombing Pearl Harbor
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:18 AM
Oct 2015

and letting the Imperial Family get away with it.

Oh wait, 911 isn't a war crime?

Jeneral2885

(1,354 posts)
8. How about MH17
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 08:40 AM
Oct 2015

you not concern about that? Only want to curse the US military and government?

Russia rocks?

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
9. No one's said the events you've listed aren't horrible.
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:02 AM
Oct 2015

Unlike those events, however, this one happened six days ago and the actor was the United States. It follows that U.S. citizens who want their own nation to obey the Geneva Convention would want to discuss it and try to determine exactly what occurred and why.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. Edward Snowden has an elegant solution to the question...
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:21 AM
Oct 2015

He noted the C130 war planes have gun cameras and voice recorders. Get that flight's data and make it public. We'll see if it was a war crime or not with our own eyes and ears.

Old Crow

(2,212 posts)
14. Bingo!
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:35 AM
Oct 2015

Perfect solution. If it was an accident, you'd expect the military would fall all over itself to make that footage public.

On the other hand, if that footage never sees the light of day, what does that tell you?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
15. Wouldn't it be great if there was a whistleblower interested in justice who'd leak the tape?
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 10:56 AM
Oct 2015

Wonder why they don't step forward?



Thank you for grokking, Old Crow.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
13. Why not wait to see what the investigation turns up?
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 09:35 AM
Oct 2015

Not that the more conspiracy-minded of you will believe it, of course. Maybe it was a war crime and maybe it was a complete accident. Maybe it was something in between. Being in a rush to condemn the U.S. serves no one's purpose.
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lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
16. Why haven't we seen the photos and life stories of the dead in this tragedy?
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 12:29 PM
Oct 2015

To use the phrasing used by Noam Chomsky and Edward Hermann in Manufacturing Consent, they weren't "worthy victims". Victims of US usually aren't.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
18. The media is too busy with the Kardashians
Fri Oct 9, 2015, 02:29 PM
Oct 2015

and the stupid things the GOP is ranting about. And don't forget those crazy school shooters. They're important too!

eridani

(51,907 posts)
20. US Military Was Aware Kunduz Trauma Center Was Fully Functioning Hospital, Sources Say
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 06:11 AM
Oct 2015
http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/33185-us-military-was-aware-kunduz-trauma-center-was-fully-functioning-hospital-sources-say

The new information adds to a body of evidence that the internationally run medical facility site was familiar to the U.S. military, raising questions about whether the decision to attack it violated international law.

A day before an American AC-130 gunship attacked the hospital, a senior officer in the Green Beret unit wrote in a report that U.S. forces had discussed the hospital with the country director of Doctors Without Borders — a medical charity group known by its initials in French, MSF — presumably in Kabul, according to two people who have seen the document.

The attack left a mounting death toll, now up to 30 people.

Separately, in the days before the attack, "an official in Washington" asked MSF "whether our hospital had a large group of Taliban fighters in it," Tim Shenk, a spokesman for the charity, said in an email. "We replied that this was not the case. We also stated that we were very clear with both sides to the conflict about the need to respect medical structures."

Taken together, the revelations add to the growing possibility that U.S. forces destroyed what they knew was a functioning hospital, which would be a violation of the international rules of war. The Pentagon has said Americans would never have intentionally fired on a medical facility, and it's unclear why the Green Beret unit requested the strike — and how such an attack was approved by the chain of command — on coordinates widely known to have included a hospital.

Even if the U.S. believed the Taliban was operating from the hospital, the presence of patients inside would have made an air attack on it problematic under standard U.S. rules of engagement and the international law of war.
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