What is the difference between a socialdemocrat and democratic socialist?

[w0nderer]

This could be borderline /primaries if so mods lock (and if/when you do please recommend group for posting in)

The Nordic countries in general are socialdemocratic with open markets as well

but what is a democratic socialist?
where do they differ?

[former9thward]

1. A social democrat believes in market capitalism.

A democratic socialist believes in socialism but one that is democratic as opposed to the totalitarians such as the Soviet Union or China. A social democrat believes there should be a wide and deep safety net but one where markets determine the economy.

[w0nderer]

6. i kinda take exception to the last sentence

from my experience about nordic countries 'markets partially determine the economy'

they will modify the market sometimes (regulate rent against the will of market)
bail out banks but force them to pay back (with interest)
uses taxes to control behavior (gas/tobacco/alcohol)

but thank you so much
You've very helpful and gives me a feel for the definition on DU

[haikugal]

2. Google is your friend..

[w0nderer]

3. you mean

http://bfy.tw/2GvK

[haikugal]

4. I mean there is a lot of information available for anyone who looks.

Explains it pretty well.

[w0nderer]

5. now was it that hard to be helpful instead of condecending? thank you!

so is the above your definition as well?

I did google it, definitions vary, i wanted the DU definition

So far from online (week of googling in 4 paragraphs):

democratic socialism = when sorta tried has devolved into tyrannical (authoritarian) socialism

social democracy = Working system that's been proven over 100 years in multiple countries
(no offense)

Democratic socialism
socialism with voting (that actually counts i assume, soviet union had votes/elections every now and then)

social democratic
government giving social protection net and forcing companies to take care of workers and still open/free market

funnily Bernie just quoted social democracy (denmark and sweden ) as a learning point?

(i may not use the terms correctly enough for you here, i'm not a political major as i'm sure you can tell, my major is in other areas)

I don't know if you were just tired of hearing the question, or having a bad day, or this is your normal way (slightly short in answers and mannerism) either way, thank you for posting the video

i hope we can keep a relatively civil discussion in the future

[ronnie624]

7. l'm assuming the multiple countries you refered to

are mostly Western countries.

Let's not forget about the centuries of exploitation of resource-rich continents, like Africa and the Americas, which provided a tremendous advantage to the development and evolution of Western economics. People who worship capitalism, tend to forget about that or simply dismiss it as irrelevant.

[w0nderer]

9. i'm not forgetting

but i am looking for a multiple decade functioning one

and thanks

I don't forget the poor countries
i don't worship capitalism (in fact, i was raised under social democracy and appreciate it)

[killbotfactory]

8. a social democrat goes to more parties. nt

[w0nderer]

10. where is my invite? LOL n/t

[delrem]

11. A "Democratic Socialist" is what Bernie describes himself.

So if you want to know about it, you have to put a bit of time into figuring out Bernie's philosophy.

IMO - my "interpretation" is that in general he admires certain socialist programs that have been introduced in democratic countries of the world, specifically to do with the well being of people, families, communities as eg. universal health care and education; and he thinks that economic privateering and war profiteering ought to be well regulated and fairly taxed, at the very least.

I think that rather than being frightened by a word, 'socialist', it's much better to try to understand what it means, first of all.

[w0nderer]

12. See that's my read

i was reading sanders almost social democrat for a long time << part of why i asked


and umm i'm not afraid by "socialist" the word

i was born and spent a good long time outside the US, in a social democracy

i liked it, i left it only for 'love' (wife no speaking furrin, whilst i spoke english)

so no fear of 'social'

in fact more 'i've lived more left even when our right was in power' than any american (even our right supported universal healthcare)
and i liked it, i'll agree'

listening to the debate today (so far...he still reads social democrat) sorry...
no offense

he might want to push it further , but i'm not seeing that

[delrem]

13. Interesting. In Canada the "political right" also supports our universal healthcare.

The Canadian universal health care system has such broad support, in fact almost total support, because the results are visible, and pleasing. This is fact on the ground and no political wing, call it "right" or "left", can deny it exists.

But the "right" didn't fight for and invent and bring into being our universal health care system. That was totally from the "left", from the very deepest "left", from the movement that brought Tommy Douglas to power.

By it's very nature the "right" is opposed to such socialist ventures. To the "right", universal health care and other socialist ventures represent a loss of potential profit. So the "right" in Canada will always seek ways to bring it down, but never openly - always with subterfuge - because to be open and transparent about *that* would be political suicide.

[w0nderer]

14. right!

isn't it sometimes difficult to understand that the entire political spectrum went from

left -- middle -- right
to
right - right xtreme - teaparty

btw canada ..sweden says you rock, cept for hockey..we'll argue that one LOL

[delrem]

15. We've got a federal election coming, Oct. 19th.

Watch for it!

[w0nderer]

16. and as an immigrant i'm not allowed to vote n/t

[delrem]

17. Ah, you're going to be a Canadian?

Well, that's good.

[w0nderer]

18. ya know after 10 years almost in the US i should be so lucky

i'm gonna end up with US cit (dual) citship



delrem...canadian swedish would rock

right to bare our arms (remove sleeves)
right to be cool in a quebeque libre way
(flirts with florida girl with a french, irish or swedish accent)

[delrem]

19. Then the US is lucky.

That's good. I like the US to do well - there's such a strong influence on Canada.

[w0nderer]

20. delrem...!!!

i will take that as a compliment *bows, claps hand twice in Buddhist way*