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SleeplessinSoCal

(9,112 posts)
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 02:19 AM Oct 2015

The New Case to use in Fighting NRA right here.

I'm going to assume this kid might have opted for a gun if he could get one. He could have killed the veteran and the children in the public library. But he had knives. Nobody died.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/james-vernon-knife-attack-illinois-library

"75-year-old Army veteran who fought off a knife-wielding man who was threatening to kill children at an Illinois library says training he received nearly five decades ago helped him in the scuffle."

....

"I tried to talk to him. I tried to settle him down," he said. "I didn't, but I did deflect his attention" from the children "and calmed him a bit. I asked him if he was from Morton, did he go to high school. I asked what his problem was. He said his life sucks."

Vernon said the man backed away as he got closer to him, but he was able to put himself between Brown and the room's door, with the children hiding under the tables behind him.

"I gave them the cue to get the heck out of there, and, boy, they did that!" Vernon said. "Quick, like rabbits."

Vernon said Brown responded by slashing him with a knife.

Vernon, saying he was "bleeding pretty good" at the time, held the suspect until a library employee arrived to remove the knives, and kept the man pinned until police officers and paramedics arrived."

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SleeplessinSoCal

(9,112 posts)
2. you've missed the point - this should get more attn from gun sense advocates.
Sun Oct 18, 2015, 03:45 AM
Oct 2015
Your other thread immediately drew a snide remark.

Taking back the 2nd amendment to where it was before 2008 is essential for the safety of innocents.

NO GUNS.NOBODY DIED.
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
3. "NO GUNS. NOBODY DIED" does suggest MSM's approach to covering violent crime.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 02:41 PM
Oct 2015

Was that your intent? There certainly was low coverage for just a few months back for 5 murdered by knife in OK, and for 8 murdered by gun in TX. (The latter involved a minority suspect in one of Houston's inner-city wards, so the tragedy didn't fit the Narrative® around here and elsewhere.)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
4. What precisely is this alleged 'narrative' you refer to
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 02:52 PM
Oct 2015

What precisely is this alleged 'narrative' you refer to, and on what objective and specific measure is it sourced from?

Or (and I find this more likely), the narrative is simply opinions that differ from yours, so you feel compelled to trivialize them. Was that your intent, part II?

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
5. Folks committing mass murders are white men with a host of problems
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:20 PM
Oct 2015

Everyone feels safe in describing, then attributing those characteristic to gun owners in general.

There, that wasn't so hard, now, was it?

Here's to your measured obectivity sources...

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
6. Guns require less work and less physical risk to the shooter
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:25 PM
Oct 2015

As a bonus they can maximize damage. With very rare exceptions, it should be difficult to kill.

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
8. For the majority of people it is extreamly difficult to knowingly kill another human
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:37 PM
Oct 2015

There are however a very small minority who have no problem with killing. They are the ones that all others fear.

They are the ones that the military do not want in the ranks.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
10. I'm not talking about emotional\intellectual awareness
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:04 PM
Oct 2015

It is so physically easy to pull a trigger that we have seen toddlers shooting and sometimes killing other people.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,112 posts)
11. You could say guns are the "remotes" for killing.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 04:20 PM
Oct 2015

Been watching "Dateline" lately. Way too many times killers nearly didn't pull the trigger. But something would happen to override the thought process and they wound up behind bars for life.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
7. "this kid might have opted for a gun if he could get one"
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:28 PM
Oct 2015

But...but...I thought guns were easier to get than books.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,112 posts)
9. sometimes, laws designed to protect the innocent work
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 03:56 PM
Oct 2015

Proves the point why more are needed with gun deaths on the rise.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
12. "Gun deaths" are at 20 yr lows...
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:31 PM
Oct 2015

Kids 15 yoa and under who die from gun accidents number well below 100.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
13. And people say gun owners are obsessed with guns.
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 05:50 PM
Oct 2015

Better funding and understanding of mental health, a reduction in society's acceptance of casual violence, a careful examination of gender roles and expectations, better opportunities for workers of all ages and education level, and a stronger safety net for everyone (making it easier to reach out to others) also would have helped, but it's harder to score quick discussion board points talking about that, I guess.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,112 posts)
14. Most gun owners are intent, not obsessed . . .
Mon Oct 19, 2015, 07:03 PM
Oct 2015

on doing something about the lack of action to protect Americans from gun violence which is blocked by the NRA leadership.

Those obsessed with preventing gun control activists from achieving reasonable safety laws are irresponsible. There are children killed daily while the NRA digs in its heels. The adults need to step up and take charge.

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