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Sun Oct 18, 2015, 10:08 AM

Small Band of Extremists Want Total Control of the Government

http://www.salon.com/2015/10/18/ted_cruz_wants_to_be_king_make_no_mistake_the_gop_extremists_real_goal_is_absolute_control/
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The Movement Conservatives now calling the shots in the Republican Party are forcing the nation toward a Constitutional crisis. A very small number of extremists are trying to bend the federal government to their will. They want to force the president to abandon his own policies and adopt theirs. If he refuses to cave in to their demands to kill Planned Parenthood, they will refuse to fund the government. They will force it to shut down. The thirty or forty people in the secretive “House Freedom Caucus,” elected by voters only from their own deeply Republican districts, want to erase the constitutional role of the president. They want to impose their will on the American people.

And the corporate controlled media will say both sides do it. Forget overseas terrorists, the Tea thugs and Movement Conservatives are a clear and present danger to our country.

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Reply Small Band of Extremists Want Total Control of the Government (Original post)
kairos12 Oct 2015 OP
orpupilofnature57 Oct 2015 #1
ruffburr Oct 2015 #2
RKP5637 Oct 2015 #3
SoapBox Oct 2015 #8
atreides1 Oct 2015 #12
RKP5637 Oct 2015 #19
PearliePoo2 Oct 2015 #21
2naSalit Oct 2015 #28
CrispyQ Oct 2015 #9
meow2u3 Oct 2015 #17
Efilroft Sul Oct 2015 #34
meow2u3 Oct 2015 #38
hifiguy Oct 2015 #50
Efilroft Sul Oct 2015 #51
McKim Oct 2015 #4
DhhD Oct 2015 #6
former9thward Oct 2015 #30
Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #5
mountain grammy Oct 2015 #7
CrispyQ Oct 2015 #13
geek75 Oct 2015 #20
malaise Oct 2015 #47
Cassiopeia Oct 2015 #10
asjr Oct 2015 #11
alfredo Oct 2015 #14
Generic Brad Oct 2015 #15
jtuck004 Oct 2015 #16
raouldukelives Oct 2015 #35
geek75 Oct 2015 #18
Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #22
hifiguy Oct 2015 #49
jeff47 Oct 2015 #23
geek75 Oct 2015 #29
jeff47 Oct 2015 #36
geek75 Oct 2015 #39
jeff47 Oct 2015 #41
geek75 Oct 2015 #42
jeff47 Oct 2015 #43
geek75 Oct 2015 #44
jeff47 Oct 2015 #45
Dan Oct 2015 #24
murielm99 Oct 2015 #25
PatrickforO Oct 2015 #26
former9thward Oct 2015 #31
PatrickforO Oct 2015 #32
hill2016 Oct 2015 #40
former9thward Oct 2015 #46
Post removed Oct 2015 #27
NonMetro Oct 2015 #33
YabaDabaNoDinoNo Oct 2015 #37
hifiguy Oct 2015 #48

Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 10:13 AM

1. Ever hear of the ' Great Business plot ' Checks & Balances keep us from those who feel entitled .

 

right.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 10:13 AM

2. These people-

Are the ISIL of America, A Clear and present Danger to each and every person in the country, They MUST be Stopped NOW before it is too late.

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Response to ruffburr (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 10:20 AM

3. Exactly! They are the ISIL of America. I sadly think far too many

Americans are asleep at the wheel. Sometimes it only takes a small group to change the direction of a country if the rest are snoozing. With the improved communications of today they are exposed more and more, the ISIL of America, as well as The Christian Taliban.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:37 AM

8. Yup.

Asleep at the wheel is correct...they sit slack jawed, almost drooling, looking at their phones, texting, gaming or looking at People/The Enquirer, wanting to know the latest about the Kardashians.

It's like The Matrix...they have no idea what the reality is because they're stuck in a fantasy.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:01 PM

12. They aren't asleep

They're stupid, they're entrenched in their bigotry and hatred, they're religious fanatics who only see through the prism of their myth filled holy tome!

They are only Americans because they were born within the borders of this country, they are little better then ISIL...and for the most part have the same agenda as the Jihadists!

And let's not forget the part played by the religious SCOTUS justices who gave us Hobby Lobby and Citizens United, or the whore media that does all it can to keep them as docile as cattle about to be slaughtered, and last but not least the corporate entities that receive more in subsidies then poor Americans do!!!

Americans aren't asleep...not by any degree...they are intentionally stupid!!!

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #12)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 01:41 PM

19. Extremely well said! I could not agree more! n/t

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #12)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 01:53 PM

21. You nailed it..excellent post.

I'm staggered by how un-informed a lot of people are. It's almost like they are proud to be so ignorant.
Some of them actually bask in it.
Willfully ignorant and intentionally stupid is right. I really fear for this country. Wish I could rec your post.

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 01:01 AM

28. I call it ignorance by choice

and it's because they want someone else to do all the hard work of thinking and understanding.

I don't recall the origin of the saying but I have heard it all my life until the past decade that Democracies only seem to last about 200 or so years... we might have reached that point. Even my polisci graduate advisor asked me last week if I thought we were "done" as a democracy. I told him I think we probably are. I have no clear idea as to how we fix this nor do I know whether we can actually bring such a massive paradigm shift into action.

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Response to ruffburr (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:53 AM

9. And our anything-for-profit media is equally guilty!

They amplify the crazy voice. They don't challenge radical ideas & instead present them as mainstream. Fair & balanced is such a load of bullshit.

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Response to ruffburr (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 01:22 PM

17. Those RW thugs ought to call themselves CSUS

Christianist State of the United States, that is.

RW dictator wannabes don't want to call themselves that because they'd be found out and treated like the terrorists they are. The only thing they haven't done (yet) is kidnap, rape, and torture people to death for not converting to their twisted idea of Christianity.

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 08:42 AM

34. How about "Godly State of the United States"? Its abbreviation could be pronounced like "Jesus."

Efilroft Sul: Building that autobahn to hell since 1967.

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Response to Efilroft Sul (Reply #34)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 09:58 AM

38. Good one

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Response to Efilroft Sul (Reply #34)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 07:40 PM

50. Excellent.

 

And I am stealing "building the autobahn to hell."

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #50)

Tue Oct 20, 2015, 10:20 AM

51. I am happy to have the phrase stolen!

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 10:29 AM

4. Great Comparisin

Comparing these dangerous extremists to ISIL is an accurate way of understanding them. They are already getting the foreign policy that they want as witnessed by all the wars and military bases we have around the world. Now they want to go after our domestic government. These dangerous ideas have been pumped into the popular mind for the last forty years from conservative think tanks funded by the 1%. The surge in loony conservative thinking has forced me many times to vote for the lesser of two evils. But the lesser evils are getting worse every time. My hope is with young people after my 30 years of activism on The Left. But many of our young are drinking, doping and distracted by popular culture. How to reach them?

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Response to McKim (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 10:55 AM

6. Proposing and having a federal Bill for a selective service draft mechanism already in place,

will get their attention. The Bill would say that they go to college, free college, when they get back, no deferments what so ever. Those slightly unfit for active, strenuous duty, will have appropriate jobs while getting them in shape. GWB brought women into the Fold. Now ask them during an election campaign to register to vote.

Young people who drink and dope have money from their parents to do so. IMO opinion, they are some of those that need more federal Armed Services boot camp time to prepare for active duty than the usual 90 days.

Israeli law is that all students after high school graduation go into military service for two years.

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Response to DhhD (Reply #6)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 01:43 AM

30. Since you want the federal government to have control our bodies

what is your military service?

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 10:49 AM

5. The corporation owned media is again committing multiple criminal acts of disinformation to

prop up the extremist religion and extremist capitalist GOP long enough to use CU to steal the White House....that is not a joke!

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:05 AM

7. +1000

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:06 PM

13. This is what I think, too.

We will have a repub in the White House, no matter what the voters want. Our electoral process is so compromised & corrupt, from gerrymandering to electronic voting to money in politics to an apathetic population. I hope the 1% is aware of just how crazy the crazies are.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #13)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 01:43 PM

20. Democratic apathy has allowed this

 

The democratic voting turnout in 2010 and 2014 was atrocious. There is no excuse for it.

If you know any democrat that isn't registered, tell them to register and vote. We are at a disadvantage because of gerrymandering but not one that can't be overcome. If we allow Donakd Trump to become president it'll be catastrophic. Apathy is the enemy.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #5)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 07:23 PM

47. They don't even see that if the scumbags prevail

they will control the media - it's all about ratings and profit.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:59 AM

10. Just before Christmas this time.

They just need to pick the right guy for Speaker to get it done.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:59 AM

11. This very idea has been going through

my mind for quite some time. Our congress has done nothing since Barak Obama was elected president except getting a committee ready to interrogate a Democrat about something that has been talked to death already. Is there nothing that can be done to make congress do the job those idiots were sent there to do?

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:26 PM

14. I remember during a Christian Coalition convention one of the delegates said,

"We're going to bring America to its knees." Even when one takes in account the double meaning, it is still putting America into a submissive pose.

The Tea Party is the Christian right rebranded as a super "patriotic" movement. Same shit in a different sack.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 12:57 PM

15. And they will fail

I have faith in America. They will not be allowed to prevail.

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Response to Generic Brad (Reply #15)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 01:09 PM

16. Rofl. They have been winning, little by little, since 1925, and are doing better now than the

 

the enemies of progressivism ever have. They have moved the entire nation towards their position,we continue to slide that way even more, and we are becoming even poorer as a nation for it.

Soon the waves will be lapping over the remains of new orleans, and the grandkids will be wondering where the fuck food is going to come from, since it is too hot to grow wheat and cows where they used to.

They are prevailing now, but it's much easier to pretend otherwise, leave the problems for someone else to deal with. It's the lazy way.

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 08:46 AM

35. Them losing, once, would be a godsend.

At least, as you so aptly describe, to the lives of future generations and of course the innumerous species of flora and fauna that will be departing us along the way.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 01:39 PM

18. Apathetic democrats are helping them along

 

I'll be voting for Bernie Sanders come primary time and I'll be vigorously supporting the democrat who wins the primary. Unfortunately too many democrats are lukewarm about the election and some won't even vote if their preferred candidate loses the primary. Many aren't even registered to vote.
There is an enthusiasm gap and if democrats don't close it, we will end up with president Trump. President Trump has basically declared war on all liberal places. He will try and deport Mexicans, try to shut down Parenthood, reduce taxes on the rich, the whole tea party agenda and then some.

Democrats who won't register to vote of won't vote, you are damn scary to me. I do not want Trump anywhere close to the White House.

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Response to geek75 (Reply #18)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 02:32 PM

22. Many here have spoken of the self-destruction of the Republican Party...

 

...and in many ways, this might be happening, but the GOPers have the resources, power and money to put the FR into a new party, or make the present GOP its permanent home (the FR is mostly there already).

What is Not spoken of is the self-destruction of the Democratic Party along this same time frame. I see Bernie as the last train out for rather standard progressive politics and liberal philosophy. The Party is quite capable of crushing anyone to the left of Carter with what is left of its operational bureaus, and they are banking on a patched up "coalition" of fading identity groups, corporate finance, Beltway bureaucrats, the tattered MSM, and corp. power in general. It can't sustain this. There is no passion, or reason to fight when ideology or even a governing philosophy is thrown over board in favor of the "jargon jive," like "all the stakeholders reaching a win-win so we can move forward." Yet that is the popcorn fart the Party is relying on to stir folks to action.

The FR CAN and DOES rely on passion, self-righteousness, and goals marked by brevity and clarity. It has a significantly better chance of surviving self-destruction than the Democratic Party no matter who wins next year.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #22)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 07:38 PM

49. The only reason the Repig party still exists

 

and will continue its zombie shuffle to the edge of the cliff is that the plutocracy and their lapdog media keep holding it up and pushing it forward.

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Response to geek75 (Reply #18)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 10:00 PM

23. You have the problem backwards.

It's a candidate's job to win votes. Not a voter's job to vote for a candidate.

If the Democratic candidate can only induce apathy, they have failed at their job. If they are in danger of only inducing apathy, then they are a terrible candidate.

Democrats have to fight for voters, instead of demanding voters mindlessly follow. The fact that they have not been fighting for ~40 years is why there is massive apathy. The party has been using "who else you gonna vote for?" as cover for lousy politicians. And that only works for so long.

Given 2010 and 2014, it should be obvious to the party that "who else you gonna vote for?" is utterly and completely failing now. Unfortunately, it isn't obvious to the party leadership.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #23)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 01:03 AM

29. Blaming all the democrats again?

 

If you would spend half the time going after Republicans that you spend going after Democrats.
Your strategy is to push democrats into a corner. It worked so well that republicans took over in 2010 and had full control over gerrymandering. And nothing was learned in 2014. Rather than vote for candidates that took liberal positions 50-75 voters who stayed home allowing tea party republicans seat after seat.
Mind bogglingly stupid.

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Response to geek75 (Reply #29)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 09:23 AM

36. If you can't make an argument without and absurd strawman then you have no argument.

If you would spend half the time going after Republicans that you spend going after Democrats.

Restating "who else you gonna vote for?" does not make it more effective.

Your strategy is to push democrats into a corner. It worked so well that republicans took over in 2010

No, our candidates failed at their job. They relied on "who else you gonna vote for?". It failed, because it does not attract enough voters.

Mindbogglingly stupid is to continue fighting for a strategy that has utterly failed in 2014, 2010, 2004 and 2000.

"Who else you gonna vote for?" does not work. Screaming about the Republicans only gives voters a reason to vote against the Republican. It does not give voters a reason to vote for the Democrat. Resulting in terrible turnout and Republican victories.

How about we don't keep doing the same failed strategy over and over again?

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #36)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:25 AM

39. Democrats vote on the democratic candidate

 

Then you blame the candidate after the candidate won the primary. It's the bitter voters who don't vote in the genr out of spite that are ruining us.

We don't always get our first choice.

Democrats gifted crazy tea partiers many seats by not voting in all those years.

Even Webb who's hardly a democrat is a hell of a lot better than xenophobe Trump.

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Response to geek75 (Reply #39)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:34 AM

41. Democrats are 30% of the electorate. 30% is less than 50.1%

Then you blame the candidate after the candidate won the primary. It's the bitter voters who don't vote in the genr out of spite that are ruining us.

Democrats are 30% of the electorate. Republicans are a little less. We need some of the remaining 40% to win. And they're staying home because all we keep giving them is "Republicans BAD!!"

And you continuing to shout "Republicans BAD!!" does not get them to the polls. You need to give them a reasons to vote for a Democrat, not only reasons to vote against the Republican.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #41)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:38 AM

42. Just compare the candiates

 

Trump can make anyone look good. Sometimes we get to vote for somebody and sometimes you have to vote against somebody. I've lived in a red state so most of my votes had to be lesser of evils vote.

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Response to geek75 (Reply #42)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:45 AM

43. Again, all you are saying "Republicans BAD!!!".

If you can't argue anything other than "Republicans BAD!!" then we. will. lose.

Bitch and moan all you want about that, but bitching and moaning won't change that.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #43)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:46 AM

44. Then vote for Trump

 

Fuck Trump

And all you all are doing is demonizing Hillary, just like the republicans.

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Response to geek75 (Reply #44)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:54 AM

45. No, I'm pointing out your inability to argue why we should vote for her

Instead, you're only providing reasons to vote against the Republican.

If you want the 40% of the electorate who will decide this general election to vote for Clinton, you need to give them reasons to vote for Clinton. You are only providing reasons to vote against the Republican.

That means you have to address her actual record, including the unsavory parts.

Then you might begin to understand why those of us who aren't talking about how awesome her campaign logo is are concerned.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 10:59 PM

24. The POTUS

might want to brush up on some of the actions that Abe took...the President is required to defend the nation from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Plus, I suspect the Patriot Act has some interesting laws that might come into play.

The unfortunate part is that our system of government, the change over between parties has always been peaceful, because both parties or rather all parties accept the rule of the vote. But with this introduction of this small group - by default, they are saying that they will no longer accept the will of the majority.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Sun Oct 18, 2015, 11:59 PM

25. Something similar is happening at the state level

in Illinois.

I don't think our Democrats here will cave. I sure hope Obama stays strong. I think he will.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 12:10 AM

26. These people are little more than traitors. They need to be arrested, tried in the Senate and

thrown in jail.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #26)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 01:48 AM

31. I guess the First Amendment is not part of your Constitution.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 01:55 AM

32. The definition of treason is

the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government. These people were elected after their districts were gerrymandered and went to Washington not to govern, but to tear down the government.

Free speech has nothing to do with their actions, which constitute treason. They want to shut down the government because the rest of Congress won't go along with de-funding Planned Parenthood.

I'd say we have many, many problems they COULD be addressing, but no, they are going to shut down the government, and perhaps cause a default by not raising the spending limit to pay for services already rendered. If that happens, you cannot imagine the suffering that will happen all over this earth in the resultant economic cataclysm.

So don't tell me about free speech. Instead let's focus on the treason of this 'freedom caucus,' arrest them, try them in the Senate and throw them in jail so Congress can actually get back to doing its job.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #32)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 10:30 AM

40. check out

 

the Speech and Debate Clause in the Constitution which grants Congress immunity from carrying out their duties.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #32)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 07:19 PM

46. Treason is defined very clearly in the Constitution.

And its not your definition. So that is two sections of the Constitution you reject. I wonder how many other parts you would like to throw out.

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 08:24 AM

33. Wait Until Millions Of US Soldiers Don't Get Paid, Millions More People Don't Get Their

Social Security checks, the stock market starts to tank, banks close, and thousands of businesses go bankrupt. They want a revolution? They'll be lucky if they are merely tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail! 40 people can't hold this nation of 315 millions hostage, and Ted Cruz and all the rest of them better get that through their thick skulls!

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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 09:53 AM

37. BS it's the entire GOP who wants a shutdown the teahadists are the useful idiots

 

Who will do it.

If the GOP did not want a shutdown all they have to do is tell the teahadists to STFU and pass legislation with dem support

They won't do it.

They would rather shut down the government.



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Response to kairos12 (Original post)

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 07:37 PM

48. The Corporate Media bears the same relationship to truth

 

that the Titanic does to long-term seaworthiness.

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