CPL holder shoots armed robbers after being mugged

[sarisataka]

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CPL holder shoots armed robbers after being mugged

DETROIT - Another robbery victim fights back after he's targeted at a Detroit bus stop. The 23-year-old had officially become a Concealed Pistol License holder a couple of weeks ago and after what happened Sunday night - it was just in time.

Tremain, who doesn't want to be identified because his family fears retaliation, says his brother had just finished work and was waiting for the bus at Schaefer and West Outer Drive on the west side when three teens confronted him.

One pulled out a gun and demanded his money.

"They threatened him and told him if he moved they were going to blow him which is a term for I'm going to kill or shoot you if you move," Tremaine said. "And that's what ended up happening."

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/36305746-story

In January 2014 the Detroit chief of police told the city citizens to arm themselves as a deterrent to crime.

[msongs]

1. two gun owners doing what gun owners do nt

[sarisataka]

2. Do you recognize

Any difference between any of the parties in this incident?

[Rex]

3. Both parties said they were held up at gun point.

I guess he who shoots first, wins that fight.

[sarisataka]

6. Interesting perspective,

Perhaps the better question is 'who is the victim here'?

[Rex]

7. Yes, that would be a better place to start.

Anyone can claim to be the mugged and the other to be the muggers. Althought I doubt one person would mug three people.

[onehandle]

4. Tens of thousands die and guns cost taxpayers $229 billion each year.

But this one rare story makes it all worth it.

[sarisataka]

22. Not claiming this validates anything

In LBN The other day a pro control poster ask to hear about more defensive gun use stories. Since this story was outside of the window for LBN it made sense to post it here under the continuing gun story exemption.

[onehandle]

25. A pro-gun poster, newly hatched, and now dormant?

Or tombstoned?

I've lost count of the many, many there have been.

I used to put gungeoneers on ignore. More than half of them have been terminated, I see.

It's amazing how many people come here just to plead the case for the almighty gun, speaking about little else.

Not just here. In comments in needlepoint blogs. Welfare advice communities. Newspaper comments in anytown USA...


The tipping point approcheth.

Tick tick tick...

[branford]

29. We've reached past the tipping point, just not the direction you want.

Support for gun rights and against restrictions is steadily increasing, violent crime rates have almost been cut in half over the last 20 years, firearm laws have liberalized across most of the nation, and even the Supreme Court has affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms (consistent with our own Democratic Platform).

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2015/oct/02/mass-shootings-have-no-impact-on-support-for-gun-rights-in-the-us

http://www.gallup.com/poll/179213/six-americans-say-guns-homes-safer.aspx

http://www.gallup.com/poll/179045/less-half-americans-support-stricter-gun-laws.aspx

http://www.people-press.org/2014/12/10/growing-public-support-for-gun-rights/

Firearms. We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements—like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole—so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few.

https://www.democrats.org/party-platform

[onehandle]

32. The funny thing about tipping points is that they tip back.

Bravo for the quick 'assembly' of your little post though.

As the country crowds and blues, and as mass gun shooting grow, gun nuttery will die.

[branford]

37. Hold on...

You explicitly stated that "The tipping point approcheth" on strict gun control.

Now, after confrontation with some obvious facts, you've basically conceded the tipping point indeed was in favor of gun rights, we've passed the threshold, and you're hoping the tipping point somehow, and someday, "tips back." You have an awfully arbitrary and optimistic "tipping point."

I also find it truly emblematic of the gun control movement that while I post reputable polls and scholarly articles, the actual language of our Democratic Party Platform concerning firearms, and graphic representations of the real laws passed in the various states, your response is a Monty Python sketch. Well, I and others certainly enjoy our classic British humor, but if they're your replacement for facts, scholarship and policy, it's no wonder the gun control movement is embarrassingly ineffective.

[maxsolomon]

38. that would have been me asking for more DGU stories

the pro-gun contention is that DGUs justify widespread gun ownership and carrying. there are "reputable" estimates of "up to" 2.5 million DGUs/year in the USA. that's Gary Kleck's numbers.

that's 8,000/day!

other "controller" estimates are much lower. a group tried to track down every newspaper story or police report documenting DGUs and come up with about 1,500 for a year.

so, if millions open- or concealed-carrying a gun to thwart bus-stop robberies, or brick-wielding nut jobs at a storefront church is absolutely necessary in this crime-ridden hellscape that was America, I want to see evidence that the number is greater than 3 or 4 a day. so far, DU hasn't come up with but 1/day.

http://www.armedwithreason.com/debunking-the-defensive-gun-use-myth/

[villager]

23. What's hilarious/pathetic is that the proliferationists *cling* to stories like this as "proof" that

...guns must be widespread, and easy to get.

And yet, continue to live in absolute denial that posted stories about murders, suicides, shooting sprees, etc., have anything whatsoever to do with that same availability of guns.

[Rex]

5. He risked his life for 200 dollars.

Stupid.

[Bonx]

8. So you know for sure their next step wasn't shooting him ?

[Rex]

9. Well the next step was shooting him for sure since he pulled a gun on them.

Yeah risking your life for 200 dollars is stupid imo. Next.

[Bonx]

11. They already had pulled a gun on him

How do you know they didn't plan to shoot him before leaving ?

[Rex]

13. How do you know they did?

[Bonx]

14. I read the article.

"One pulled out a gun and demanded his money."

[Rex]

16. Nice try at deflection, how do you know they planned on shooting him?

I know you just want to waste time, but he was stupid imo. If you don't like it, then that is too bad. My opinion is not going to be changed by a gun humper.

[Bonx]

18. I know you think it was stupid. I don't.

He walked away.
I'll refrain from name calling.

[Lizzie Poppet]

24. One cannot know, either way.

However, enough armed robbers do shoot their victims to make using force (should you have the chance) a perfectly reasonable reaction. I think you'd have to make a case-by-case sort of decision, based on whether or not the robber seems likely to shoot...but you'd certainly be risking a lot on your ability to read them.

[Logical]

27. And you know it was? LOL, get a grip. nt

[Bonx]

36. Did I say that ? No.

Lol !
Get a grip yourself.

[Bonx]

12. He also would have risked his life by not using his firearm.

Smart.

[Rex]

15. Wrong he made it much worse by forcing a conflict.

Glad you are not in law enforcement and I hope with that attitude you don't have a firearm.

[Bonx]

17. No. His life was at risk when the robbers drew a gun on him

he chose to defend himself and it worked out well for him.
Not so much for them.

[beevul]

19. Worse for whom? N/T

[Bonx]

21. Who forced a conflict ?

I'm not sure you understand how an armed mugging works.

[kelly1mm]

28. Yes, the robber risked his life trying to rob someone of $200. Play stupid games,

win stupid prizes!

[nomorenomore08]

33. I would agree if they hadn't pulled a gun on him first.

After that, it was more about simple self-defense than keeping his money.

[Bucky]

10. I'm glad only the bad guys were hurt, but that said

if a guy walks up to me with a gun and says "I'm going to blow you" all I think I'd do is ask if he could only speak in a girly voice while I could close my eyes.

[nomorenomore08]

34. ...

[Hoyt]

26. Sounds like they would have left with the money. Now, the next robber will just shoot the victim

rather than take a chance they might get shot in the back running away.

This is not something I'd be gloating about, well unless you are a gun fancier and like to see street warfare and innocent people -- like the next victim who gets shot whether they can fight back or not.

[sarisataka]

31. Do all forms of self defense

Make criminals of more violent or just the ones with guns?

[Maedhros]

30. Yep, that's the America I want to live in!

Gunfights over $220.00.

I would have given them the money, nobody would have been shot.

[GummyBearz]

35. I can get a few $220 pay days from you?

No one has to get shot

[Chemisse]

39. Sorry, we need to lock this.

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