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On December 5, 2001, an American B-52 flying tens of thousands of feet above the ground mistakenly dropped a 2,000-pound satellite-guided bomb on an Army Special Forces team in Afghanistan. The aircrew had been fed the wrong coordinates, but had the plane been flying as low and slow as older generations of attack planes did, the crew mightve realized their error simply by looking down at the ground.
It was not long after the Twin Towers fell, and American soldiers were killed in Afghanistan by an American bomb dropped by an American plane. That this mistake happened illustrates just how poorly the air campaign in the United States longest war was executed, and how efforts ultimately failed to make things better by going after high-tech solutions that arent what theyre cracked up to be compared to the old tried and true technology.
That bomber was on a 30-plus hour round trip flight from the remote island of Diego Garcia, 900 miles south of India. The plane those Green Berets really needed, the low-and-slow flying A-10 Warthog, wasnt available yet in Afghanistan. Famously rugged and even more famously lethal, the Warthog was the first American jet to actually land at the decrepit Bagram Airfield. Soon after the runway was repaired, many dozens of F-15, F-16, and F/A-18 fighter jetswholly different creaturescame streaming in.
According to former Defense Department official Pierre Sprey, the US Air Force could have left those other jets out, had they sent three full squadrons of A-10s72 planes totalto Afghanistan instead. But Sprey says the Air Force never had more than 12 Warthogs in-country at any given time during the entire war.
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http://motherboard.vice.com/read/low-and-slow
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)At least to those of us on the ground. I've done training evolutions with Warthogs. Holy crap. What they are capable of is amazing.
If they fire their cannon for too long, the recoil actually makes the plane stall.
trumad
(41,692 posts)On you like flies on shit.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Though I totally agree with the thrust of the article. We need less money on boondoggles like the JSF and more attention to close support platforms like this.
malthaussen
(17,194 posts)... is "back there in them WWII days."
-- Mal
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)no one reading your post would realize that the plane in the picture is not the A-10 Warthog in your post. Is it a rule that you can only post the 1st 4 paragraphs to be fair use? Or can one post any 4 paragraphs?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Two from the beginning...one from the middle...one from the end...or any combo.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)There are a lot of posts like this one where the poster only pastes the 1st 3 or 4 paragraphs that don't tell the story and you must click the link to find out. Perhaps that is their reason, but I don't like it. It is a step in the wrong direction from just posting a link. Those I ignore.
JHB
(37,160 posts)...and in this case should have.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)See my reply to Octafish
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Perhaps the author made a mistake regarding the name's origin and its return as the A-10 Thunderbolt II. Kids.
dembotoz
(16,803 posts)it makes sense then
Rex
(65,616 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,426 posts)It can run circles around the P-40
Rex
(65,616 posts)Everyone wants to be a Flying Tiger. +}
Brother Buzz
(36,426 posts)But this former Ground Pounder would feel safer if I had this nose art flying above me:
Rex
(65,616 posts)It's like a flying tank, but scarier imo.
Brother Buzz
(36,426 posts)Hell, the KISS Warthog is so simple and bulletproof, even an Army mechanic can keep their bestest 'friend in the sky' flying.
Rex
(65,616 posts)But the A-10 seems to be the best air-to-ground fighter ever made. I can't believe they are in short supply, did the Army discontinue using them? ETSd in 1998, so no doubt a lot has changed since then.
Brother Buzz
(36,426 posts)The Army was pushed out of the fixed wing business when the Army Air Corps was spun off into its own branch of the military in 1947. There are exceptions, and the Army does operate some fixed wing aircraft, but they are few and far between, just as DemoTex will attest.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Then did they get A-10s 'on loan' from the Air Force? They were all over the place at Fort Drum.
Brother Buzz
(36,426 posts)Did you see Air Force liaison frequenting Fort Drum?
Rex
(65,616 posts)It was in a few field exercises, I guess they were joint exercises.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)their main air assets are helicopters, which are, in of themselves, quite capable of CGS, especially the Cobra's and Apache's.
Brother Buzz
(36,426 posts)would not object to having A-10s in the area covering their sixes.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)although during Vietnam, I was always pleased to see the Sandy's covering our asses while we were doing strafing runs on the VC or NVA, or picking up troops.
There's nothing like a couple of Sandy's or Warthog's circling overhead to keep the bad guy's heads down.
JHB
(37,160 posts)...to get to the gist of what the article is actually about:
RISE OF THE SUPER TUCANO
The Super Tucano was a throwback to a bygone era of aerial combata time when pilots looked through the blur of a propeller and pointed their nose at the enemy before pulling the trigger. A time before auto-pilot, guided missiles, and infrared gun pods. The A-29 was fast enough to get to a fight quickly and light enough to stay there in a low, slow orbit overhead the battle.
Philosophically, the Super Tucano occupies a sort of middle ground between the United States two main gunships. As a plane, the A-29 could reach altitudes over the Hindu Kush higher than the AH-64 Apache helicopter, and remain overhead for hours before refueling like the legendary AC-130 Spectre gunships.
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Its a great plane, says recently retired Air Force Lt. Col. Shamsher Mann, an F-16 pilot who has flown A-29s. Pilots love it. It handles beautifully, sips gas, and can go anywhere. If you want to get into the fight and mix it up with the guys on the ground, the Super T is a great platform.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)When this one would work better.
Specifications (A-1H Skyraider)
Line drawings for the AD-4 Skyraider.
Data from McDonnell Douglas Aircraft since 1920[32]
General characteristics
Crew: One
Length: 38 ft 10 in (11.84 m)
Wingspan: 50 ft 0¼ in (15.25 m)
Height: 15 ft 8¼ in (4.78 m)
Wing area: 400.3 ft² (37.19 m²)
Empty weight: 11,968 lb (5,429 kg)
Loaded weight: 18,106 lb (8,213 kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 25,000 lb (11,340 kg)
Powerplant: 1 × Wright R-3350-26WA radial engine, 2,700 hp (2,000 kW)
Performance
Maximum speed: 322 mph (280 kn, 518 km/h) at 18,000 ft (5,500 m)
Cruise speed: 198 mph (172 kn, 319 km/h)
Range: 1,316 mi (1,144 nmi, 2,115 km)
Service ceiling: 28,500 ft (8,685 m)
Rate of climb: 2,850 ft/min (14.5 m/s)
Wing loading: 45 lb/ft² (220 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 0.15 hp/lb (250 W/kg)
Armament
Guns: 4 × 20 mm (0.79 in) M2 cannon
Other: Up to 8,000 lb (3,600 kg) of ordnance on 15 external hardpoints including bombs, torpedoes, mine dispensers, unguided rockets, and gun pods.[23]
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)one hell of a CGS aircraft.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)it's own weight in ordnance.
people are always trying to sell a "new and improved" when the best available is already there.
It could loiter over a battle zone for a long time, blasting anything that moved, and was quite nimble.
The NVA and VC especially feared these aircraft.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)That the Spad already does, and better.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Sometimes technology just gets ahead of itself with no discernible positives.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)If you mention both the F-35 (which has never been operational) and a WW2 era aircraft in your title then both of these items should come into play in the body of your story. In this case neither does...
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)F-35's at Nellis. Hell,the enemy can hear these suckers coming miles away,no hush kits. Notice their flight times are very limited,heard stories about six hours wrench time for every one hour of operation time,and the latest is,issues with hot fuel shutting down engines. What a boon dongle. And this is supposed to be a Joint Fighter,duh.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)the bugs will be ironed out in time and I suspect it will be a very capable aircraft.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)dongle is in it's ninth year,and still to this day,much of it's fire power is nonoperational due to software f--- ups. But,Guys like McCain and his Rethug pals are raking in the cash from this POS. Corporate Welfare at it's finest.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I notice the article didn't mention that it is a pretty fragile plane...
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Simple, robust, heavily armed and armoured. Ideal, if we ever have to go to war with Nazi Germany again.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)F4U Corsair, used primarily by the Marines, made famous by VMF 214, commanded by Greg "Pappy" Boyington.
Also used in the Korean War.
Snobblevitch
(1,958 posts)What do either a B52 or an A10 have to do with WWII?