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Galraedia

(5,022 posts)
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 03:54 PM Dec 2011

Rolling Stone: The 1% Are NOT Citizens Of The United States

My Christmas gift from Rolling Stone this year was a true “Doh!!” political/cultural moment. You know, when something so obvious and in your face is just sitting there and suddenly you blink, and realize it. DOH!!! How did I not see that?! Writer Matt Taibii has put it into perspective for me and suddenly, much of the behavior of the 1% makes sense. They are not American citizens. I’m not making a hysterical Fox News style accusation of “treason!” That require that the 1% actually BE a part of the country to begin with. They are not. They exist outside any national fealty of any kind. I’ve touched on this concept before when I pointed out that Ayn Rand devotees, which many of these Very Important People are, are sociopaths. and when I discussed the idea that the Right desires to be ruled by their “betters”(i.e. the 1%) because they believe that they are more worthy because they are rich. Matt Taibii has put a much finer point on it:

The very rich on today’s Wall Street are now so rich that they buy their own social infrastructure. They hire private security, they live on gated mansions on islands and other tax havens, and most notably, they buy their own justice and their own government. But citizens of the stateless archipelago where people like Schwarzman live spend millions a year lobbying and donating to political campaigns so that they can jump the line. They don’t need to make sure the government is fulfilling its customer-service obligations, because they buy special access to the government, and get the special service and the metaphorical comped bottle of VIP-room Cristal afforded to select customers.




What these poor, picked on, fabulously wealthy seem confused about is why they are despised across most of the country and, indeed, the world. What he GOP would have us believe is that we are simply jealous of their success and far too many of the 1% are buying into this fable. Taibii lists some of the more…clueless comments from the very people who wrecked the world’s economy while skating away with billions of taxpayer dollars. From Bloomberg Businessweek:

“Who gives a crap about some imbecile?” (Home Depot co-founder Bernard) Marcus said. “Are you kidding me?” “If I hear a politician use the term ‘paying your fair share’ one more time, I’m going to vomit,” said Golisano, (billionaire founder of payroll processer Paychex Inc.) who turned 70 last month, celebrating the birthday with girlfriend Monica Seles, the former tennis star who won nine Grand Slam singles titles. Cooperman ( former chief of Goldman Sachs’s money-management unit), 68, said in an interview that he can’t walk through the dining room of St. Andrews Country Club in Boca Raton, Florida, without being thanked for speaking up. At least four people expressed their gratitude on Dec. 5 while he was eating an egg-white omelet, he said. “You’ll get more out of me,” the billionaire said, “if you treat me with respect.”

Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/12/26/rolling-stone-the-1-are-not-citizens-of-the-united-states/

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Rolling Stone: The 1% Are NOT Citizens Of The United States (Original Post) Galraedia Dec 2011 OP
Would you mind terribly much putting your neck in this cradle? Please lie still. Here comes choochoo WingDinger Dec 2011 #1
How Nice...Matt Taibi and George H W Bush agree... brooklynite Dec 2011 #2
+1 Wait Wut Dec 2011 #4
yeah.. poor poor wealthy who think this is all about them fascisthunter Dec 2011 #31
Hum a few bars and I'll fake it. Zorra Dec 2011 #5
Missed it by that much |.| gtar100 Dec 2011 #6
Matt Taibbi never said that. The title of the OP is a blogger's Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #9
Oh, don't get in the way of someone's poutrage! ret5hd Dec 2011 #13
Ooooo I'm rich and no one likes me. MedicalAdmin Dec 2011 #19
The rich can be good citizens -those who pay taxes, and give it back to the community leveymg Dec 2011 #15
It is impossible to discuss the current economic situation... ljm2002 Dec 2011 #26
are you part of the 1%? fascisthunter Dec 2011 #30
holy shit. I didn't know it was so bad for you. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2011 #32
I object to stereotypes and cliches... brooklynite Dec 2011 #33
I thought we were talking about your citizenship, and not your morality DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2011 #35
...and that's precisely my point... brooklynite Dec 2011 #36
It is so weird hearing the rich bitch about the poor. Major Hogwash Dec 2011 #3
You would think that history would give 'em a clue Mopar151 Dec 2011 #7
Showing there true colors. sarcasmo Dec 2011 #11
"They'll get more out of me if they show dotymed Dec 2011 #17
This is DUzy worthy. MedicalAdmin Dec 2011 #20
Hence my favorite expression: Ship of Fools Dec 2011 #12
He who dies with the most toys... Ikonoklast Dec 2011 #14
The key here is to make sure they die early... MedicalAdmin Dec 2011 #21
Minus the rip cord, of course ... :) Ship of Fools Dec 2011 #27
Oooooooo. Nice touch. MedicalAdmin Dec 2011 #28
because they need a scape goat.... something to point at fascisthunter Dec 2011 #29
Some may be, some may not be... But I'm pretty sure NO Corporations, people thought they may be, annabanana Dec 2011 #8
Too many extremes prepperdad Dec 2011 #10
Aren't pretty much ALL of members of Congress 1%? Romulox Dec 2011 #16
I believe the percentage is 47%... n/t. MedicalAdmin Dec 2011 #23
Here's a link to Taibbi's original hifiguy Dec 2011 #18
This is what I have been saying for years!! felix_numinous Dec 2011 #22
They have NOT declared independence. MedicalAdmin Dec 2011 #24
Confiscate all of their assets and deport them. roamer65 Dec 2011 #25
Well I would say that anybody who threatens to take their money socialist_n_TN Dec 2011 #34

brooklynite

(94,499 posts)
2. How Nice...Matt Taibi and George H W Bush agree...
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 04:09 PM
Dec 2011

Taibi thinks I'm not a Citizen because I'm wealthy and Bush thinks I'm not a Citizen because I'm an Atheist. Ugliness knows no ideology.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
4. +1
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 04:18 PM
Dec 2011

I'm sorry, but you'll have to get on the next boat and GTFO of our country. You obviously have no compassion, concern or love of my country. I hear you not only kick hippies, but throw rocks at our military. You heathen elitist, you.

You'll be sailing with Michael Moore, George Clooney and....Matt Damon, along with those other wealthy heathen bastards that do nothing to support the rest of us in our causes.

Have a safe trip.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
31. yeah.. poor poor wealthy who think this is all about them
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 08:10 PM
Dec 2011

I believe Mr. Taibi was pretty specific in that article. Funny how some took it to mean them.

And all those left leaning stars you just listed are not part of the 1%... nice try though.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
6. Missed it by that much |.|
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 04:33 PM
Dec 2011

Being wealthy doesn't automatically exclude one from being a citizen. Taibi is referring to an attitude that many of the 1% feel no obligation to the countries in which they live - let alone the world in which they live. Is that the point of humanity? To create the king or queen bee while the rest serve their needs or drown in poverty? Or is it to have a democracy in which the majority can find a place in which the needs of the community are considered important along side the needs of the individual? Or is it something else? It isn't wealth that determines what ideology one should follow. That's a matter of personal integrity. It seems that Taibi is pointing out a host of reprobates currently running rather large corporate empires that feel they can do whatever they want, regardless of the consequences that ripple out from their privileged position. That's not a consequence of wealth but a consequence of low character.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
9. Matt Taibbi never said that. The title of the OP is a blogger's
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 06:24 PM
Dec 2011

interpretation of Taibbi's Rolling Stone article.

MedicalAdmin

(4,143 posts)
19. Ooooo I'm rich and no one likes me.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 12:51 PM
Dec 2011

Matty T said mean things.

Puhlease.

Get over yourself. If that article doesn't mention you by name or if you don't act like the people described then IT ISN'T ABOUT YOU.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
15. The rich can be good citizens -those who pay taxes, and give it back to the community
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 10:24 AM
Dec 2011

But, many of these people Taibi writes about are just the carrion-eating rich - vultures who flock together and thrive when something dies.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
26. It is impossible to discuss the current economic situation...
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 02:07 PM
Dec 2011

...without making some general observations. To take it personally is just silly IMO. We all know there are many good people who are wealthy, and we also all know there are many rich people who live up to all the negative stereotypes.

Possibly Taibbi should have limited his discussion to the top .1% or even the top .01%. Because those who buy islands, and who buy politicians, and who have direct influence on public policy, tend to be not the rich but the super-rich.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
32. holy shit. I didn't know it was so bad for you.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 08:13 PM
Dec 2011

Do you really expect to get much sympathy when you self-identify as a 1%'er in the course of complaining about writing that strikes a populist tone? I wouldn't, were I you.

brooklynite

(94,499 posts)
33. I object to stereotypes and cliches...
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 11:49 PM
Dec 2011

...that assume my morality can be judged based on my financial or theistic position.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
35. I thought we were talking about your citizenship, and not your morality
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:19 PM
Dec 2011

Nonetheless, if you're self-identifying, not just as a rich person, but as someone in the top 1% of wage "earners" in the country, then you really shouldn't expect a sympathetic ear when you use DU GD to complain about your treatment in society. I do have a standing deal with any 1%'er--I'll be glad to trade finances with you, and that way, you won't have to suffer a higher tax rate, won't have to worry about people accusing you of not being American, etc. I can take this yoke from you. Not interested? Hmmmm....maybe it's my approach. Or maybe you don't really have much to complain about.

brooklynite

(94,499 posts)
36. ...and that's precisely my point...
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:32 PM
Dec 2011
I'll be glad to trade finances with you, and that way, you won't have to suffer a higher tax rate


Because I'm in the top income category I must want to resist progressive taxation, right? And I must oppose regulation of the banking and financial sectors, right? Because no wealthy person could ever be philisophically liberal, just like no poor person is ever conservative.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
3. It is so weird hearing the rich bitch about the poor.
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 04:15 PM
Dec 2011

I never knew they were such idiots before.
I mean, did they really think they'd be able to take their money with them when they die?
When's the last time you saw a U-haul being towed behind a hearse to a funeral for some rich guy?

What are the 2 things that are inevitable?
Death and taxes.

Well, these guys have had it easy on the taxes part for a long time, but you just wait.
The grim reaper doesn't take bribes!!

Mopar151

(9,979 posts)
7. You would think that history would give 'em a clue
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 06:06 PM
Dec 2011

Pyramids did'nt help the Pharoahs live longer - or better.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
17. "They'll get more out of me if they show
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 12:37 PM
Dec 2011

me some respect." That greedy bastard.
Show the billions of less fortunate, some respect and stop fixing every damned game so that you can win.
I made a mistake last night and rented "Atlas Shrugged." It was the most disgusting piece of trash/propaganda that I have ever seen.
The few "hard workers" in a world pre-occupied with fairness.....if that is their twisted world view, they deserve the worse possible....
If I were a dog, I'd still be licking my butt to get the taste out of my mouth.

MedicalAdmin

(4,143 posts)
20. This is DUzy worthy.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 12:52 PM
Dec 2011

"If I were a dog, I'd still be licking my butt to get the taste out of my mouth."

LMAO.

Ship of Fools

(1,453 posts)
12. Hence my favorite expression:
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 07:00 PM
Dec 2011

He who dies with the most toys wins.

Billionaire is the new millionaire. They're in competition with each other
because they're bored shitless.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
14. He who dies with the most toys...
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 08:51 AM
Dec 2011

dies just as assuredly as he who has nothing.

Both are deader than disco.




The Grim Reaper is also The Great Equalizer.

MedicalAdmin

(4,143 posts)
21. The key here is to make sure they die early...
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 12:53 PM
Dec 2011

... perhaps someone could start a trend among the stupidly wealthy toward extreme sports stupidity like base jumping or atmospheric parachuting.

MedicalAdmin

(4,143 posts)
28. Oooooooo. Nice touch.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 07:57 PM
Dec 2011

You, sir, are hired. We need men of your fine imagination helping the rich suit up in the airplane.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
29. because they need a scape goat.... something to point at
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 08:07 PM
Dec 2011

to absolve themselves from all responsibility. Most are sociopaths.

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
8. Some may be, some may not be... But I'm pretty sure NO Corporations, people thought they may be,
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 06:09 PM
Dec 2011

could be classified as Citizens. They are not Americans.

 

prepperdad

(103 posts)
10. Too many extremes
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 06:42 PM
Dec 2011

Everything in this country is becoming polarized. It seems to me that we might see a Civil War II in our lifetime.


[url]http://www.survivingeconomiccollapse.net[/url]

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
22. This is what I have been saying for years!!
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 01:03 PM
Dec 2011

Yah--people who side with international entities with more civil rights than you or I, who fund propaganda that turns Americans against Americans, defund social services while robbing us to feed their violent agenda--are NOT AMERICANS.

They have Declared Independence from us.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
34. Well I would say that anybody who threatens to take their money
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:38 AM
Dec 2011

and leave the country if they don't get their tax breaks ARE NOT AMERICANS! Obviously to them, money is more important than citizenship.

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