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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCNN aviation expert: Russian plane crashed during safest part of flight, at cruising altitude
Hopefully they'll find the black box very quickly, since the crash took place over the land.
Reported accounts differ as to whether there was any distress call after take-off.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/opinions/russia-plane-crash-egypt-quest-analysis/index.html
London (CNN)The Russian aircraft that went down Saturday in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula crashed in what was the safest part of its flight from Sharm el-Sheikh to St. Petersburg, Russia.
The plane had been in the air for roughly 23 minutes; At this point, a plane is on autopilot. It's reaching its initial cruising altitude, and there is little that can or should go wrong.
If you look at statistics, most accidents happen on takeoff or landing -- far and away, most are on landing, more than 50%. A small proportion -- roughly 10% -- happen in the phase of flight known as the "cruise," which is where this plane was.
For something to happen at that point in the journey to bring down an aircraft is unusual.
If it hasn't been blown out of the sky by terrorist or military activity -- and there's no evidence of that in this case so far -- then it should be the safest part of the flight.
SNIP
http://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-passenger-jet-crashes-in-egypts-sinai-peninsula-1446281838
Egypts flagship state-run newspaper, Al Ahram, quoted an Egyptian aviation official as saying the planes pilot had requested to land at the nearest airport after an unspecified mechanical problem shortly after taking off at 5:50 a.m. local time. The newspaper later cited another Egyptian aviation official as saying the pilot hadnt made any distress calls or requests to land.
flygal
(3,231 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)I think IS is responsible for it.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Mechanical problems is not an explosion or missile.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)But the article says they don't think so. I guess the plane was too high for a missile to hit it. And the pilot called in that there was a problem so it probably wasn't a bomb on board.
I guess ISIS is trying to take credit as retaliation for something.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)The Russians of all people would know that quite well.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Although I think it's more likely a bomb was smuggled into the plane via the luggage. But keep in mind folks, the Mouthpiece of Mossad, Debkafile is saying that this IS group has gotten their hands on advanced anti-aircraft equipment from the remanents of Libya. They say this is why the IAF does not fly low level missions in the area occupied by this group.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)It was also a nice opportunity to point out that the last plane to disintegrate in midair was done at the hands of a Russian missile operator.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)Matt Drudge is Andrew Breitbart, just without the charm.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)A surface-to-air missile system capable of hitting an airliner at cruising altitude is very large:
SA-2 Guideline (S-75 Dvina)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2K11_Krug#/media/File:Sa-4.jpg
SA-4 Ganef (2K11 Krug)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2K12_Kub#/media/File:Sa6_1.jpg
SA-6 Gainful (2K12 Kub)
There's also the SA-10 Grumble and its variants, which are even larger.
You also need at least two phased-array radars: one to track the target, one to guide the missile to it. If you're too cheap or your system is too old to have phased-array radars (these use thousands of radar transceivers arranged in a grid pattern; by sweeping across the grid like your TV set sweeps across the screen you can make one radar do many jobs) you need a height-finder, a distance and azimuth finder, and a missile tracker at the very minimum...and a speed-sensing radar is a handy thing to have too. (The old MIM-65 HAWK missile system required five radars to work.)
The point of our story: Whatever we are calling the Terrorist Flavor of the Day wouldn't want a high-altitude SAM system. It's too big to hide, requires operators that need a LOT of training to effectively use the thing, and is way too expensive - as in "a whole division's worth of equipment or a single missile" expensive. Shooting at an airliner with an SA-7 or SA-14 shoulder-fired missile, or one of the Stingers we sold to the Mujahideen back during our 1980s proxy war against the Soviets, would be a waste of time because the missile would run out of fuel and fall out of the sky 9000 meters below the plane.
My suspicion is it'd be a lot cheaper, less detectable and just as effective (maybe MORE effective) to find someone wishing to martyr himself for the cause and slip him into the cargo hold with a pair of bolt cutters and the mission of cutting fuel pump wiring and hydraulic lines once the plane levels off.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447
Yes, takeoff and landing are more dangerous, but things can and do go wrong at altitude.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)A semi-failure, followed by correction and attempt to divert, followed by the catastrophic failure, full on nose dive. Almost certainly mechanical and maintenance-related like Alaska 261.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)does that mean that Russia has actually been bombing ISIS, contrary to what the western MSM said?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Just saying...