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Sat Nov 14, 2015, 07:25 AM

Please explain this to me about Paris.

On Nov 12 a double suicide bomb in Beirut killed at least 43 and wounded more than 200 in the worst attack to strike the city in years.

There was no "We stand with Lebanon". No "We love you Beirut". No 24 hour CNN coverage. No extensive NYTimes coverage.

Is it only European lives that matter? Do Arab lives matter? Do Muslim lives matter?

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Reply Please explain this to me about Paris. (Original post)
ellenrr Nov 2015 OP
Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #1
ellenrr Nov 2015 #35
RiverLover Nov 2015 #2
Demeter Nov 2015 #34
The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #3
Smarmie Doofus Nov 2015 #4
CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #5
grossproffit Nov 2015 #6
Laughing Mirror Nov 2015 #7
geek tragedy Nov 2015 #8
grossproffit Nov 2015 #19
geek tragedy Nov 2015 #24
grossproffit Nov 2015 #9
CrawlingChaos Nov 2015 #10
giftedgirl77 Nov 2015 #11
Democat Nov 2015 #14
giftedgirl77 Nov 2015 #20
shira Nov 2015 #30
Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #12
WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2015 #17
Logical Nov 2015 #22
shira Nov 2015 #25
ffr Nov 2015 #31
awoke_in_2003 Nov 2015 #36
Catherina Nov 2015 #13
grossproffit Nov 2015 #21
Catherina Nov 2015 #23
shira Nov 2015 #26
B Calm Nov 2015 #15
randome Nov 2015 #27
shira Nov 2015 #29
snagglepuss Nov 2015 #16
librechik Nov 2015 #18
valerief Nov 2015 #28
Octafish Nov 2015 #32
Reter Nov 2015 #33
rosesaylavee Nov 2015 #37
ellenrr Nov 2015 #38

Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 07:31 AM

1. The bombings in lebanon were against lebanese people who are aligned with Hezbollah

 

and so it is considered ok to blow them up. Plus it was likely our proxy forces who did the bombing.

No it is not ok. What we are sponsoring in Syria is a daily "attack on Paris".

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:44 PM

35. amen

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 07:32 AM

2. Suicide bombing in the ME seems like an everyday occurrence. Every week at least.

Its sad to say but we're comfortably numb to those attacks.

They don't happen every week in France.

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:16 PM

34. Just as gun violence is a daily occurance in the USA

 

Same shit, different day, different place....still not good.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 07:36 AM

3. Yes, it's all subjective

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 07:38 AM

4. Alas. Something like that.

 

Good point.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 07:39 AM

5. I don't think explaining things would be worth the effort.

Some folks just have some kind of asshole agenda about this. I can not understand it.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 07:41 AM

6. Yep. +1

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 07:42 AM

7. They are non persons

Like the 224 Russians in the plane ISIS brought down a few weeks ago, or the patients and staff at the Doctors Without Borders hospital in Konduz brought down by the US. And I could go on and on, such as our drones that have killed into the thousands of innocent bystanders who have done nothing to us.

You're right. They don't matter. They are collateral damage. Non persons. It only matters when we are on the receiving end. The only persons that are real are us.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 07:42 AM

8. Because the attack in Beirut was against Shiite Muslims

 

and their lives are considered more expendable by the media and right wing actors,especially Neocons.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:32 AM

19. The recent ice truck bomb in Iraq that murdered 120 Shiites, was covered extensively.

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Response to grossproffit (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:55 AM

24. the one that specifically targeted people associated with Hezbollah made it not worth

 

acknowledging in certain quarters and in certain countries.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 07:49 AM

9. Peshawar school massacre, Gumsuri kidnappings, Kano bombing, Borno Massacre, Westgate attack...

Chapel Hill Shooting and many others were extensively covered.

Selective memory?

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:08 AM

10. BINGO!

Selective outrage -- the war machine cannot operate without it.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:12 AM

11. Brown ppl aren't worth the time.

 

We as other brown ppl have known this to be true for a very long time.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:58 AM

14. Because there are no "brown people" in France

Are you serious?

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Response to Democat (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:33 AM

20. Only the evil one's committing the acts.

 

It's a convenience thing. We've seen it our whole lives. Look at the same shit that goes on here. The outrage meter ticks a lot higher the lighter the skin. Not to mention throw the fact that they were Muslim in there & the give a damn flies out the window.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:02 PM

30. Neither are the Russians in the plane bombing last week....

 

Or Israelis stabbed and blown up.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:15 AM

12. Did you start any threads expressing horror, outrage or solidarity, after the Beirut bombing?

If not, why not? Answering this question will lead to the answer to the question you posed in your OP.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:22 AM

17. Best response to any thread ever

 

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:37 AM

22. Bullshit, you know the point they are making. Quit being cute. The news coverage is totally....

 

different. And you know it.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 11:59 AM

25. You nailed it. n/t

 

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:04 PM

31. A reasonable question. n/t

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:59 PM

36. ...

 

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:55 AM

13. Beirut yesterday; Paris today. Palestine, Yemen and Syria everyday.

Let's not forget Nigeria, Libya, South Sudan, and Central Africa Republic.

In racist imperial wars where *civilized* countries get to exploit the riches of what they consider inferior countries, those victims are the wrong color.

Rec'd

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Response to Catherina (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:33 AM

21. Israel is always a target, as well.

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Response to grossproffit (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:04 AM

23. Yeah right, whatever. Goodbye n/t

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Response to Catherina (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:00 PM

26. Guess Israelis don't count either. n/t

 

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:59 AM

15. A few days ago they blew up a Russian airliner killing over 200 people. There was no

 

"We stand with Russia", why?

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Response to B Calm (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:00 PM

27. Maybe a different mindset? Russia -i.e. Putin- does not think much of sympathy.

 

They/he want to imagine themselves as controlling the region. As if they ever did.
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Response to B Calm (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:01 PM

29. Western world solidarity. We care more for those like us. n/t

 

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:12 AM

16. When do we see American or EU Muslims gathering to express solidarity with Muslims being stoned,

hung, sliced and blown apart by other Muslims. WHere the outrage and solidarity in the Muslim community? Maybe if Muslims took a stance non-Muslims would be there as well.

Where in the US did Muslims organize large public gatherings to denounce the Beirut bombing and express their solidarity with the Lebanese?

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:24 AM

18. Yes, no, no, Period. N/t

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:01 PM

28. That's something the billionaire-owned media will have to answer. nt

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:11 PM

32. A woman from Michigan died there, Leila Mazloum.

Otherwise, it might not have made the broadcast news here.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:13 PM

33. Beirut is a warzone

 

It's more or less expected. Paris is a city of love.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 08:52 AM

37. I didn't hear about Beirut

until after the Paris attack. I do resent posts like these - here and elsewhere on the Internet - who seek to shame and to divide based upon who people grieve for more -- I get that there is probably hurt over this but what is the point of this other than to shame people? My ancestry is French. I find the attacks in a large city to be traumatizing as my son lives in one here in the US. We dine out and attend concerts so that also was a connecting piece for me.

My concern over the Paris attacks do not preclude my concern for those suffering in Beirut, Iraq, etc. The pressure to rank who is more worthy of our grief is a terrible thing and divides people more.

I think you need to take it up with the media - not individuals who didn't know about it.

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Response to rosesaylavee (Reply #37)

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 10:02 AM

38. I am commenting on the media --

why would i take it up with an individual??

Actually I mentioned the media in my post--

so who what are you responding to?

I am not shaming anyone, nor am I dividing anyone, nor am I ranking peoples' grief.

As the French gal said on facebook -
she grieves for Paris, but she is not going to change her fb photo to reflect the tragedy bec if she did she'd have to change her photo every day to reflect the tragedies taking place.

So.. resent all you want, but also read carefully and respond appropriately.
Otherwise you miss the point.
which is ok.
We're all heartbroken.

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