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ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:25 AM Nov 2015

Please explain this to me about Paris.

On Nov 12 a double suicide bomb in Beirut killed at least 43 and wounded more than 200 in the worst attack to strike the city in years.

There was no "We stand with Lebanon". No "We love you Beirut". No 24 hour CNN coverage. No extensive NYTimes coverage.

Is it only European lives that matter? Do Arab lives matter? Do Muslim lives matter?

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Please explain this to me about Paris. (Original Post) ellenrr Nov 2015 OP
The bombings in lebanon were against lebanese people who are aligned with Hezbollah Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #1
amen ellenrr Nov 2015 #35
Suicide bombing in the ME seems like an everyday occurrence. Every week at least. RiverLover Nov 2015 #2
Just as gun violence is a daily occurance in the USA Demeter Nov 2015 #34
Yes, it's all subjective The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #3
Alas. Something like that. Smarmie Doofus Nov 2015 #4
I don't think explaining things would be worth the effort. CBGLuthier Nov 2015 #5
Yep. +1 grossproffit Nov 2015 #6
They are non persons Laughing Mirror Nov 2015 #7
Because the attack in Beirut was against Shiite Muslims geek tragedy Nov 2015 #8
The recent ice truck bomb in Iraq that murdered 120 Shiites, was covered extensively. grossproffit Nov 2015 #19
the one that specifically targeted people associated with Hezbollah made it not worth geek tragedy Nov 2015 #24
Peshawar school massacre, Gumsuri kidnappings, Kano bombing, Borno Massacre, Westgate attack... grossproffit Nov 2015 #9
BINGO! CrawlingChaos Nov 2015 #10
Brown ppl aren't worth the time. giftedgirl77 Nov 2015 #11
Because there are no "brown people" in France Democat Nov 2015 #14
Only the evil one's committing the acts. giftedgirl77 Nov 2015 #20
Neither are the Russians in the plane bombing last week.... shira Nov 2015 #30
Did you start any threads expressing horror, outrage or solidarity, after the Beirut bombing? Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #12
Best response to any thread ever WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2015 #17
Bullshit, you know the point they are making. Quit being cute. The news coverage is totally.... Logical Nov 2015 #22
You nailed it. n/t shira Nov 2015 #25
A reasonable question. n/t ffr Nov 2015 #31
... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2015 #36
Beirut yesterday; Paris today. Palestine, Yemen and Syria everyday. Catherina Nov 2015 #13
Israel is always a target, as well. grossproffit Nov 2015 #21
Yeah right, whatever. Goodbye n/t Catherina Nov 2015 #23
Guess Israelis don't count either. n/t shira Nov 2015 #26
A few days ago they blew up a Russian airliner killing over 200 people. There was no B Calm Nov 2015 #15
Maybe a different mindset? Russia -i.e. Putin- does not think much of sympathy. randome Nov 2015 #27
Western world solidarity. We care more for those like us. n/t shira Nov 2015 #29
When do we see American or EU Muslims gathering to express solidarity with Muslims being stoned, snagglepuss Nov 2015 #16
Yes, no, no, Period. N/t librechik Nov 2015 #18
That's something the billionaire-owned media will have to answer. nt valerief Nov 2015 #28
A woman from Michigan died there, Leila Mazloum. Octafish Nov 2015 #32
Beirut is a warzone Reter Nov 2015 #33
I didn't hear about Beirut rosesaylavee Nov 2015 #37
I am commenting on the media -- ellenrr Nov 2015 #38
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
1. The bombings in lebanon were against lebanese people who are aligned with Hezbollah
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:31 AM
Nov 2015

and so it is considered ok to blow them up. Plus it was likely our proxy forces who did the bombing.

No it is not ok. What we are sponsoring in Syria is a daily "attack on Paris".

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
2. Suicide bombing in the ME seems like an everyday occurrence. Every week at least.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:32 AM
Nov 2015

Its sad to say but we're comfortably numb to those attacks.

They don't happen every week in France.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
34. Just as gun violence is a daily occurance in the USA
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:16 PM
Nov 2015

Same shit, different day, different place....still not good.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
5. I don't think explaining things would be worth the effort.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:39 AM
Nov 2015

Some folks just have some kind of asshole agenda about this. I can not understand it.

Laughing Mirror

(4,185 posts)
7. They are non persons
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:42 AM
Nov 2015

Like the 224 Russians in the plane ISIS brought down a few weeks ago, or the patients and staff at the Doctors Without Borders hospital in Konduz brought down by the US. And I could go on and on, such as our drones that have killed into the thousands of innocent bystanders who have done nothing to us.

You're right. They don't matter. They are collateral damage. Non persons. It only matters when we are on the receiving end. The only persons that are real are us.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
8. Because the attack in Beirut was against Shiite Muslims
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:42 AM
Nov 2015

and their lives are considered more expendable by the media and right wing actors,especially Neocons.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
24. the one that specifically targeted people associated with Hezbollah made it not worth
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 12:55 PM
Nov 2015

acknowledging in certain quarters and in certain countries.

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
9. Peshawar school massacre, Gumsuri kidnappings, Kano bombing, Borno Massacre, Westgate attack...
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 08:49 AM
Nov 2015

Chapel Hill Shooting and many others were extensively covered.

Selective memory?

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
11. Brown ppl aren't worth the time.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:12 AM
Nov 2015

We as other brown ppl have known this to be true for a very long time.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
20. Only the evil one's committing the acts.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:33 AM
Nov 2015

It's a convenience thing. We've seen it our whole lives. Look at the same shit that goes on here. The outrage meter ticks a lot higher the lighter the skin. Not to mention throw the fact that they were Muslim in there & the give a damn flies out the window.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
12. Did you start any threads expressing horror, outrage or solidarity, after the Beirut bombing?
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:15 AM
Nov 2015

If not, why not? Answering this question will lead to the answer to the question you posed in your OP.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
22. Bullshit, you know the point they are making. Quit being cute. The news coverage is totally....
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:37 AM
Nov 2015

different. And you know it.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
13. Beirut yesterday; Paris today. Palestine, Yemen and Syria everyday.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:55 AM
Nov 2015

Let's not forget Nigeria, Libya, South Sudan, and Central Africa Republic.

In racist imperial wars where *civilized* countries get to exploit the riches of what they consider inferior countries, those victims are the wrong color.

Rec'd

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
15. A few days ago they blew up a Russian airliner killing over 200 people. There was no
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 09:59 AM
Nov 2015

"We stand with Russia", why?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
27. Maybe a different mindset? Russia -i.e. Putin- does not think much of sympathy.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:00 PM
Nov 2015

They/he want to imagine themselves as controlling the region. As if they ever did.
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Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)
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snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
16. When do we see American or EU Muslims gathering to express solidarity with Muslims being stoned,
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 10:12 AM
Nov 2015

hung, sliced and blown apart by other Muslims. WHere the outrage and solidarity in the Muslim community? Maybe if Muslims took a stance non-Muslims would be there as well.

Where in the US did Muslims organize large public gatherings to denounce the Beirut bombing and express their solidarity with the Lebanese?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
32. A woman from Michigan died there, Leila Mazloum.
Sat Nov 14, 2015, 01:11 PM
Nov 2015

Otherwise, it might not have made the broadcast news here.

rosesaylavee

(12,126 posts)
37. I didn't hear about Beirut
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:52 AM
Nov 2015

until after the Paris attack. I do resent posts like these - here and elsewhere on the Internet - who seek to shame and to divide based upon who people grieve for more -- I get that there is probably hurt over this but what is the point of this other than to shame people? My ancestry is French. I find the attacks in a large city to be traumatizing as my son lives in one here in the US. We dine out and attend concerts so that also was a connecting piece for me.

My concern over the Paris attacks do not preclude my concern for those suffering in Beirut, Iraq, etc. The pressure to rank who is more worthy of our grief is a terrible thing and divides people more.

I think you need to take it up with the media - not individuals who didn't know about it.

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
38. I am commenting on the media --
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 11:02 AM
Nov 2015

why would i take it up with an individual??

Actually I mentioned the media in my post--

so who what are you responding to?

I am not shaming anyone, nor am I dividing anyone, nor am I ranking peoples' grief.

As the French gal said on facebook -
she grieves for Paris, but she is not going to change her fb photo to reflect the tragedy bec if she did she'd have to change her photo every day to reflect the tragedies taking place.

So.. resent all you want, but also read carefully and respond appropriately.
Otherwise you miss the point.
which is ok.
We're all heartbroken.

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