Paris Was Attacked, Because ISIS Wants the West to Say "No" to Syrian Refugees

[McCamy Taylor]

Much is being made of who is to blame for Paris. To me, it's real simple. ISIS does not want to see Syrians make new homes and lives in the west. They are afraid that successful Syrian immigrants will send money back home--and use their political clout abroad to influence things back in Syria. ISIS would rather see Syrians die than escape the misery and violence.

The proper response from the west should be to increase the number of Syrian refugees we accept. However, I am afraid that there will be backlash against the refugees--the exact reaction that ISIS wants.

[Igel]

1. Willem of Ockeghem was often right.

They say it's revenge; that they want the unjust killers dead or converted.

Sometimes it's best to accept what's said at face value instead of putting words in another's mouth. They really are capable of saying what they mean.

[Joe the Revelator]

2. No, they want an end to Western civilization. Make no mistake about it. nt

[EL34x4]

19. People want an explanation that allows for diplomacy

There isn't one with ISIS. They've been very clear about what their objectives are: Convert the world to Islam, implement strict Sharia law, enslave women and children.

[eridani]

22. And I want to date Robert Redford

You can't end western civilization without a modern military, which they will never have. Which doesn't preclude a lot of mayhem.

[Joe the Revelator]

24. The discussion wasn't what they are capable of doing, but what there aim was nt

[jamzrockz]

35. Or maybe they are trying to draw themin

The chemical attack was supposed to do the job but failed the many beheading of western journalists was also meant to draw the west in but they all failed not they bomb Paris and first thing they do is claim responsibility for it.

If you ask me, it looks more like their attempt to draw the west into the conflict in the hope that they take down Assad first in order to fight them. Hope it fails like their other attempts.

[earthside]

3. What a contortion.

Ask the French how well Muslims have integrated into their society and culture.

The last thing Daesh wants is to have to be responsible for governing the people in the areas they control.

No, they want them gone or they don't care ... Turkey, Greece, Germany, the U.S. ... it doesn't matter.
But these people are evil, fanatics who want an apocalyptic war with the infidels, they don't care about refuges at all.

The worst possible thing the West can do is let there be any more immigration from Muslim countries into Europe and the U.S.

It is time for western nations to start demanding that the Arab countries take care of their own region. How about a million Syrian refuges going to Saudi Arabia?

[mwrguy]

4. Europe will be brown and Muslim

Get used to it

[Yorktown]

6. Worst case scenario

Why wish the spread of religious obscurantism?

NB: Syrians are fair skinned rather than brown.

[mwrguy]

7. Worst?

I'm sorry you feel that way about brown people.

[Yorktown]

8. As my post clearly indicated, my problem is with religion, not skin color

'obscurantism' from Latin obscurant- ‘making dark’ ? “cover, darken, obscure”)

is by opposition to enlightenment. Enlightenment does not refer to making skins fairer.

Nice red herring you tried to set up.

[Joe the Revelator]

25. Well, you are already tiresome.

[Joe the Revelator]

26. Europe will continue to be multicultural and secular...because Muslims....

....don't know how to assimilate and will end up being unwelcome in countries in which they enter and then start to kill the native population.

[mwrguy]

27. LOL. Welcome our not, we aren't going anywhere

Old white Europe is weak and shrinking. Demographics is destiny.

We don't need to kill anyone, really. Just continue to have families while the old Europe does not.

[Reter]

29. Europe was never meant to have immigration

America was. I'm not talking only "brown people" either. France shouldn't let in Germans, Italians, or anyone. Same for the rest of Europe.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

38. Are you serious, or is this a parody? N.T.

[smirkymonkey]

5. +1000

[pampango]

17. "The worst possible thing the West can do is let there be any more immigration from Muslim countries

I suspect that Marine Le Pen and the Donald (and every other republican presidential candidate) would agree with that policy. Blame an entire group of people for the actions of a few.

Conservatives do not like liberal immigration policies and will make political capital of out of their shortcomings whenever they can.

Ask the French how well Muslims have integrated into their society and culture.

Does France bear any blame if the integration of Muslim immigrants goes better in Germany, Sweden and the US?

Were African-Americans at fault for the fact that they were not well integrated into the larger society?

Europe -- and France in particular -- should look to Germany for guidance on how to integrate Muslim communities.

It took until 2000 for the German government to acknowledge that being born in the country should be a criterion for German citizenship, alongside German ethnicity. The German government eventually realized Islamophobia was just as dangerous as militant Islam.

Ordinary Germans' powerful response to the Pegida challenge -- in Berlin, the anti-Islamic rally last night was only 400-strong, and the counter-demonstration attracted 4,000 people -- indicates that they are willing to suppress any xenophobic inclinations they might have and work on building a Germany where different cultures can coexist. Peace is practical and hatred is not, as Germans know all too well from their recent history.

Though Merkel's center-right CDU party has a history of mild xenophobia, the chancellor is intent on squeezing it out onto the political fringe, where groups like Pegida and the anti-European Alternative fuer Deutschland party -- strong mainly in almost Muslim-free eastern regions -- now operate.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-01-13/germany-is-an-integration-weltmeister

[Abouttime]

33. Wow

This is DU not freerepublic.
Personally I think we should take several hundred thousand Syrian refugees. We have the space, there's plenty of room for them here in the USA.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

9. That's it. Now we know. Nothing else mattered.

[Yorktown]

10. On the contrary, Qadafi and ISIS both mentioned drowning Europe under waves of refugees

Look how poorly integrated are the muslims in Europe (Pakistanis in Britain, Turks in Germany, Algerians in France, Morrocans in the Netherlands)

Second or third generation members tend to rally round a revivalist version of Islam to vent their frustrations and because that's what Saudi and Qatari dollars set to push.

People coming from conservative muslim places like Pakistan, Afghanistan or Iraq will contribute to grow the ranks of radical Islam in Europe.

And hit the supply lines of the armies attacking ISIS. Makes sense if you are ISIS.

[CJCRANE]

11. European countries need to secure their borders and stop supporting regime change operations

in MENA.

The chaos and destabilization are on their own shores now due to foolish western support of jihadis and taking down stable secular governments.

[Yo_Mama]

12. I don't think this is true - I think ISIS is just winging it.

All this year there have been nearly constant attacks or thwarted attacks in France, poorly reported in our newspapers. Not all of them are ISIS.

One of the top French ministers said that they were making arrests most weeks, and that they had over 300 in custody.

The French, who have been most concerned, were extremely agitated over the German policy due to their own security concerns, and at this juncture, it is hard to say they are wrong.

Also not reported in our press, and not reported in the German national press - there are a lot of problems with the refugees in Germany this year, many of whom, probably most of whom, are not Syrian.

But many of the actual Syrian refugees are not too happy and plan on returning home again. I don't think this is a simple situation and I don't think your statement is correct.

[Yo_Mama]

13. Several of the attackers were refugees. One at least came through Macedonia/Serbia/Austria.

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/terror-in-paris/terror-in-paris-ein-attentaeter-soll-ueber-balkanroute-eingereist-sein-13913680.html

He was registered on the 7th of October. The one who came through Greece from Turkey was registered on the 3rd of October.

They are sending the fingerprints through Europe for hits.

Europe, and especially France, cannot afford to be doing this. They have opened up a stream which is being exploited by very bad people.

[CJCRANE]

14. Western leaders are intent on a) supporting jihadis abroad b) encouraging migrants

so they are either incompetent, negligent or complicit in what's happening, take your pick.

My take is (and I will be called a conspiracy theorist despite showing how they telegraph everything in advance) is that in the short term this is about taking away national identity, dismantling the social safety nets, taking away privacy and increasing surveillance.

In the medium term it is about taking on Russia and China.

In the long term it is about the merging of the west and sunni arab nations into one bloc, again as a force against Russia and China.

[flamingdem]

31. Do you think the US will allow Assad to stay in power?

And will Russia side with the Chinese long term.

[CJCRANE]

32. I don't know but if he goes it will just lead to more chaos.

We are now in the neverending and self-feeding war of terror that Cheney dreamed of.

As for China, I think they have no choice but to side with the BRICS countries. Just look at every country that we've liberated and given democracy to. The rest of the world isn't buying the rhetoric any more.

[Tipperary]

15. I do not agree.

ISIS wants an end to the western way of life. They want to terrorize people who do not believe as they do. They are terrorists and they are scum.

[oberliner]

16. Not even remotely true

They want to see waves of refugees.

[ananda]

18. Or immigraation can be seen as an unfortunate ..

..side effect that the Daesh are willing to take advantage of.

[Marr]

20. I doubt their thinking went beyond 'unbelievers bad, Charlie Hebdo, etc.' /nt

[magical thyme]

21. No. ISIS wants the refugees in Europe and elsewhere. It helps them to advance their goal.

They want to take over the world and make it their Caliphate. The movement and presence of Syrian and other ME refugees helps them to slip in through the cracks and blend in while making their plans and lying in wait.

The attacks were absolutely retaliation for France bombing ISIS in Syria back in September. I wrote that as the attacks were occurring. They confirmed it afterwards.

[lame54]

23. is there really a reason...

Just a bunch of assholes wanting to shoot off their guns a blow shit up

The various reasons are fit in later

[bigwillq]

28. We should say no to the refugees

Until we take care of all the folks already living in this country. Let's work on providing for them before we take anyone else in.

[Abouttime]

34. Say no?

We caused the problem! We invaded Iraq, we broke it.
The refugees aren't terrorists, they are human beings like the rest of us.

[CJCRANE]

37. I agree. I just see this as a further way to dismantle the western social safety net / welfare state

First they hit us with austerity after running up the debt on wars and bank bailouts.

Now they want to overload us with migrants so we run out of housing, schooling, healthcare etc. for existing citizens.

[Aerows]

36. I anticipate being beaten up verbally for this observation

But I'm still going to make it anyway.

Running away from the problems in their country only exacerbates the problems. They need to fight for themselves "over there". I know that is a tall order to fill, but the bottom line is that if people are wrecking your country, you stand your ground. You don't tacitly accept that your land is being obliterated.

A *HUGE* proportion of Syrian refugees are young men of fighting age. You can flee, but what is going to happen is that European countries will become overburdened and all of those young men with a completely different cultural mindset are going to end up doing a lot of damage to the places that kindly took them in.

I'm not "hating on the refugees", I'm just stating some inconvenient truths. When you come from a society that is entirely male privileged, it's going to wreck countries that assume equality to have an influx of a large number of males that have that point of view that they are the masters of society.

It won't end well. I hate to be a Cassandra or the canary in the coal mine, but what we saw happen in Paris is going to be the tip of the iceberg. I hope to all that is good and decent in this world that I am wrong.