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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTransgender AND Transager: 52 Year-Old Father Lives as a 6 Year-Old Girl
Forget being transgender like Caitlyn Jenner or transracial like Rachel Dolezal, theres a new trans frontier: people who are transage.
In an interview with the gay news site The Daily Xtra, Stefonknee (formerly Paul) Wolscht details his struggles with being a male-to-female transgender person.
The Daily Xtra video, however, glosses over a tiny bit of important information about Wolscht: he thinks he is actually a six year-old girlnot just a woman, but a six year-old girlstuck in the body of a 50-something man.
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/52-year-old-father-lives-6-year-old-girl
A Transage person is not something I was familiar with. The Transgender project has however put together a full length documentary on Stefonknee. Interesting stuff.
http://www.thetransgenderproject.com/#!stefonknee-wolscht
Archae
(46,326 posts)As in mentally ill.
beaglelover
(3,468 posts)Archae
(46,326 posts)In the comments, someone says the guy has a long record of arrests, court orders to stay away from his ex-wife and kids, etc.
The guy sounds like he's simply mentally ill.
underahedgerow
(1,232 posts)strikes again, just another sideshow.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)philosslayer
(3,076 posts)To see how people react when confronted with something they are not familiar with.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)and mimicking.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Once you parent children, that's no longer an option. Not.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)This person needs (and deserves) understanding...but they also need a psychiatrist.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)There is a serious flaw in this man's logic and I will leave it to you to find it.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Most gay people I know honor their obligations. This guy is evading his responsibilities by pretending to be a small child. What about his seven children? Don't they deserve a father???
snooper2
(30,151 posts)And she works as a snow ploy driver, at SIX!
Damn skills
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Xithras
(16,191 posts)Look up Species dysphoria. Many of the people who have it self-identify as "otherkin" (related to a species other than human).
Yep. Seriously.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)I'm getting old LOL
TipTok
(2,474 posts)One of the many topics they discuss and lampoon...
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Oh well, at least he hasn't self-amputated any healthy limbs yet.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)from an old SNL skit.
I think they go chase these people down to make a mockery of the whole issue.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Sick. Delete.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)I just don't know anymore.
cali
(114,904 posts)Shandris
(3,447 posts)Also, The Shandris (preferred pronoun none, proper noun only, "Revered Archcanoness of the Apocalypse" prefers not to hear about you 'thinking', as that is highly oppressive to those in a carboniferous-based plant matter state.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)philosslayer
(3,076 posts)I wish the little girl well.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)She's so adorable too! I hope my kids will be half as cute.
Marr
(20,317 posts)I can't tell.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Bucky
(53,998 posts)Theres days I forget my past, Wolscht says. I can actually go a week without even thinking about what was before.
I cant deny I was married. I cant deny I have children, Wolscht admits. But Ive moved forward now and Ive gone back to being a child. I dont want to be an adult right now and I just live my life like I couldnt when I was in school.
There's something seriously wrong with her thinker. I can sympathize with and support someone who chooses to reorient who they are to live their life more honestly. Abandoning her children isn't just embracing a more honest part of her being, it's fundamentally hurtful.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)I just hope the educational system is not bigoted.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)Does she get to go to school?
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)So are we back to a point where women are not allowed in school. Welcome to 1740 I guess.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)jmowreader
(50,557 posts)Come on folks...if she wanted to be 21 or 30, not a big problem; with proper makeup, hairstyling and maybe some injectables, a 52-year-old could conceivably pull off a credible young adult. But geeze...there aren't a hell of a lot of six-foot-tall six-year-olds running around out there.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I would say not.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Response to Bucky (Reply #14)
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pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Response to philosslayer (Original post)
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BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)She gets to "play" with "Mummy and Daddy's" real granddaughter.
climber3986
(107 posts)And wants to start dating 13 year old boys?
ileus
(15,396 posts)Or maybe since she's already changed from 8 to 6 she'll remain like lisa simpson.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)over how transphobic 13-year old boys are.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)"transage?"
This is just silly.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)"silly", when referring to Transgender people. Or gay marriage. Or a host of other social issues.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Hey, I often feel like a 20 year old trapped in a "much older" body.
Many of us do, I suspect. But, a 40-plus man living as a 6 year old is just silly.
Oneironaut
(5,493 posts)I swear the only point of finding people like this is to try and and mock Transgender people with extreme and ridiculous examples. It's similar to Conservatives comparing gay marriage to marrying lamps, and stuff like that.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I'd dig deeper in too were I attempting to conflate disparate issues by design.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Ha...I knew you two were just joking.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)answer is still going to be, "no."
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)that so many transgender people that transitioned much later in life weren't able to have enjoyed life earlier in their correct gender. Thus, is it fair that a transgender woman that transitioned at age 50 never got to experience life as a little girl or a teenage girl or a young woman?
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)That many might be missing. This "young" lady is just figuring out who she really is, and what better place to start than at the beginning?
3catwoman3
(23,975 posts)I grew up in a very strict home, where opinions that differed form parental opinions were squelched. I never had a temper tantrum. Never mouthed off. Never rebelled. Good little straight arrow, all the way thru college. I am now 64, and my mom is 93. Should I go back and act like a little shit because I never got to do that when it would have been developmentally appropriate?
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)3catwoman3
(23,975 posts)When you spend most of your developing years hearing variations of "Maggie, don't say that," or, "Maggie, you don't think that," it is very difficult to have confidence in your own opinions. When you don't get any practice standing up for yourself as a kid, it is a damn hard skill to learn as an adult. It makes things like disagreeing with a spouse, or negotiating job expectations with a boss, really challenging.
(Not my real name, by the way, just in case my mom might see this - LOL. She does read DU sometimes.)
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Abandoning a wife with seven children and not caring at all does seem to reek a serious lack of character.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)romanic
(2,841 posts)Sorry but not sorry.
3catwoman3
(23,975 posts)Years ago, I had a little patient whose mom spelled his name JEROME. She would get all pissed off when no one realized that she wanted it to be pronounced it Jeremy.
Not quite sure what to think about the transage thing. Seems kinda 3 Faces of Eve to me, rather than "living her truth."
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)More power to her.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)And of course, two or three of DU's best performance artists are right here playing along.
Oneironaut
(5,493 posts)There is no such thing as "Trans-age." That's ridiculous.
Greybnk48
(10,167 posts)Initech
(100,068 posts)Quackers
(2,256 posts)So the 56yo guy gets to play Doctor with the 9yo grand-daughter.
What the fucking fuck?!?!
Initech
(100,068 posts)Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)You don't need the details of his new "home" life.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)The posters supporting her on this thread should do the same.
This is some seriously weird crap. But don't do it when you're eating, as I was.
Lost my appetite.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)And wondered, wtf?
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)And it's purposely designed to use this extreme example to make trans people appear bad. I get the case is difficult and people are going to have negative opinions about this specific person, but we need to be mindful of what's going on here.
RandySF
(58,786 posts)And I think this is the time for it.
southerncrone
(5,506 posts)Having 7 children in this day & age would be more than stressful, not to mention irresponsible, IMHO.
How many of us haven't had a fleeting moment of "running away from it all". But this guy ran away while recruiting others to care for him. He's either mentally broken, or cunning.
Ex Lurker
(3,813 posts)They just have to be.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Some people just have to be on the ever evolving cutting edge of tolerance and others are terrified or not being perceived that way,
Ford F-150
(72 posts)skypilot
(8,853 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)"Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?" old movie. That was my first thought reading about this.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)She is not harming anybody and broken no laws that anybody knows of.
As for all of the moral judgements about her parenthood, that's a matter between her and her ex-spouse and children. I thought we were supposed to be a more progressive community.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #80)
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ileus
(15,396 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)Not unless she can get the government to change her birth certificate to say she was born 6 years ago. Totally not ever happening.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)Pretty funny thought. I suppose I would still drop by to play Candy Land with him on his birthday.
frizzled
(509 posts)Being associated with "LGBT" is just embarrassing. I resign.
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)It's "Seriously Fucked Up".
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)sorry folks, can't do it.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)But I'm finally my proper age. I never liked kids even when I was one. Always hated being forced to play childish games and hang around munchkins who thought people farting and falling over were the height of wit (I'm still embarrassed for the people who haven't outgrown this). I learned far more on my own than in any confining and retarding classroom (perpetually poutraged offense seekers please note I used the latest verboten word as a verb and correctly) and wanted to stay up late not to play but to watch the evening news. I was the only 10 year old who yelled at adults to get off my lawn.
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)whatthehey
(3,660 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)I don't care if that marks me as insufficiently leftist. But this is just nuts. This is a grown up who has a family, and who clearly does not want to live a responsible life. And it sounds creepily pedophilia-related to me.
B2G
(9,766 posts)This is just all kinds of icky.
WTF.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)This person has seven children, they deserve better than a daddy who is playing at being a little girl.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)This man has mental issues that need to be dealt with.
Rex
(65,616 posts)He needs help, not people enabling the behavior. Sorry but people are getting inherent trait and behavior mixed up.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)Who hasn't wished to regress to childhood at some time or another? Being an adult sometimes can be overwhelming, but we all learn to cope. This person has seven children, who's supporting them?
What this person needs is psychological treatment.
B2G
(9,766 posts)She says she previously lived as an eight-year-old girl, until the couple's granddaughter asked her to be the younger sister instead.
'A year ago I was eight and she was seven. And she said to me: "I want you to be the little sister, so Ill be nine." I said: "Well, I dont mind going to six." So Ive been six ever since.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3356084/I-ve-gone-child-Husband-father-seven-52-leaves-wife-kids-live-transgender-SIX-YEAR-OLD-girl-named-Stefonknee.html#ixzz3uV5lwUNS
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cwydro
(51,308 posts)Wonder if she'll be the first six-year old to collect social security benefits in a few years.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Sounds like time travel. You cannot be something that you are not. People are born gay, they are not born 'being 6 forever' since they have to reach that age first.
Sorry, not buying it.
ileus
(15,396 posts)I don't really want to be transgendered but I'll claim that if that's what it takes to get me SS approved.
2naSalit
(86,577 posts)Looks like enabled mental illness to me.
Yeah, I wish I could be somebody's dependent for life too and that I could pretend that life is all birthday parties and frilly, girly stuff I never had as a child too. Come to think of it, I wish I was some billionaire's kid and never have to face reality or responsibility... if I can find one to support my fantasy, I'm on it!
I accept my transgender, gay and lesbian friends as they are but this is just bunk and probably a ruse to make the actual LGBT community look like they are just like this sicko.
reflection
(6,286 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Don't let the 50-year-old appearance fool you. Remember, 17-year-old Holden Caulfield had gray hair.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)NickB79
(19,233 posts)I see several caring adults in her life, but what about other children? A child's life without other children to play with would be a lonely life indeed. And I fear there aren't many parents out there that would be comfortable allowing their young children to play with 6-yr old girl in a 52-yr old's body.
d_r
(6,907 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)The transgender part is not the issue, he is not the first nor last person to be transgender. The transager issue is a whole different story. This is a person who has a wife and seven children. Who is supporting his children while she plays at being a six year old girl???
A transgender father who left her family to be a six-year-old girl says that she cannot be an adult and "uses childs play to escape adult life".
The uncut version of an interview by Daily Xtra with Stefonknee Wolscht explains how she makes life a game and how living as a six-year-old girl enabled her to escape from depression and suicidal thoughts.
Its called play therapy, no medication, no suicide thoughts and I just get to play, she says.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/transgender-father-stefonknee-wolscht-who-left-family-to-be-a-six-year-old-girl-uses-childs-play-to-a6775051.html
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)You haven't gone around the internet enough then...