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(60,014 posts)total lack of critical thinking skills. They simply buy into the product.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)RKP5637
(67,107 posts)hibbing
(10,098 posts)You said it well.
Peace
MADem
(135,425 posts)If someone is peeing in the punch, it brings them perverse joy.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)you from getting your ass kicked in the future. People are idiots.
MADem
(135,425 posts)What they don't realize is that The Donald would wipe his ass on them if he had a need. He doesn't "care" about them in the slightest.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Naw man, it's been "okay" since 1994 at least, and all the pushback against so-called "political correctness" (you may know it under its proper term, "not being an asshole."
Trump isn't "making it okay." he's embracing that it's been okay.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)Thinking about complicated things is .. . . well . . .. complicated.
"White is right." Yeah. That's easy, familiar, comforting.
Trump and/or the GOP says "YOUUUUUU are the REAL 'Merica".. - They feel nostalgic, safe, validated.
Kermitt Gribble
(1,855 posts)bush made it ok to be openly ignorant again, now trump is legitimizing the racists.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)elias49
(4,259 posts)Not anything close to how he's polling now.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)And wonder if there are a lot more people who agree with Trump in their hearts than would ever tell friends, family, coworkers --or pollsters.
Doctor Who
(147 posts)I think Cruz wins Iowa, Christie wins NH, SC goes to Cruz or Rubio. After that it's anyone's guess. I still think it's gonna be Rubio.
MADem
(135,425 posts)some of them; enjoying the train wreck, saying "Oh, **I** would never actually vote for him, but I like some things he says..." (shudder).
I think most people will chose a more predictable choice in the ballot box. Someone they think is more traditionally "prepared." I think there aren't a slew of those on the GOP ticket, though!!!!
RKP5637
(67,107 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Americans also like applause lines. Nowadays, we have people planted behind the candidate and in the audience who start the crowd cheering and clapping.
Who needs substance?
Stinky The Clown
(67,798 posts). . . . actual critical thinking.
Plus he makes hate and open bigotry acceptable.
question everything
(47,476 posts)They realize that as they are getting older, they are not going to be as rich or as successful as they hoped or as they were "promised." Blaming minorities and women is getting tired, so blaming the government which, in this case, is the same as blaming the "other" is the same.
And with most conservatives, logic and reason do not hold. They need to hate someone, to blame their frustration.
Of course, it was during saint Reagan administration that we shifted from a manufacturing based economy to a service one. When high school dropout could no longer hold a decent job to support a family. When mergers and acquisitions were rewarded when, yes "greet was good."
Factories were closed and manufacturing were shipped overseas. And, of course, those who lost their jobs have never seen the connection between buying cheap stuff at Walmart and the loss of their jobs and shutting down their factories.
Trump expresses their frustration by calling everyone a loser, by saying how everyone is incompetent, even by saying he will be bombing the shit out of Daesh. In short, by doing their shouting "I am mad as hell and am not going to take it anymore."
valerief
(53,235 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)doesn't mince words and he says what a lot of people think. IMO
Turn CO Blue
(4,221 posts)There are quite a few rightwinger friends and family in my FB newsfeed. I've unfollowed or unfriended the worst of them, but it does sort of keep me in the loop on the memes and mindset.
There is something about the way Trump expresses himself, and about his bluster, that they like, that they relate to, that they trust.
If I were to guess, the phenomenon reminds me of the over-the-top adulation for Palin after her nasty, snide, redmeat speech on becoming nominee for VP. It was negative, insulting spew mixed with what passes for rightwing humor.
And that speech and the ugliness hit some happy spot in their brains that turns them into fangirls.
At the time, my brother brother un-ironically exclaimed to me the next day, "Oh I LOVE this girl!"
But back to Trump and his appeal, I do think we need to understand the draw, at least for social science purposes.
"He is always saying what everybody is thinking".
pampango
(24,692 posts)My guess if that 'everybody' consists of right wing friends who already believe that our problems are caused by THEM (Mexicans, Muslims, Chinese, immigrants, refugees, gays, minorities in general, etc.) rather than by rich, white guys.
Turn CO Blue
(4,221 posts)Once you realize that most media is some form of propaganda - to either sell you something, or to invoke some emotion or response, or to move you one way or another, then it is like reaching a new level of awareness.
And with meta-propaganda, yes, at the far end of the string, there is some very rich white guy trying to get more power or money.
Glamrock
(11,797 posts)They are more interested in fantasy fucking football, American idol, and the Kardashians than they are in finding out the causes of this nations problems. Couple that with a news media that insists on showing both sides of the issue instead of the truth and you get an asshole polling at 40%.
Oh yeah, and racism.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Earth Bound Misfit
(3,554 posts)moondust
(19,979 posts)Biggest bullshitter with the biggest bucks bags the biggest bunch of barnyard boobs and bigots.
seafan
(9,387 posts)onecent
(6,096 posts)SICK OF THE PUPPETS...and sick of the lies.
Trump doesn't have any reason to lie. All the other morons in our congress are nothing but low down crooked
PUPPETS....who are making all of us have's or have nots.....I have NO idea what will happen if Trump wins,
but I for one...can't see it COULD BE ANY WORSE THAN WHAT WE HAD DURING THE BUSH YEARS.
Trump SAYS THE THINGS THAT MOST AMERICANS ARE THINKING AND DOESN'T GIVE A RATS ASS IF HE IS POLITICALLY
CORRECT...AND IT ABOUT DAMN TIME SOMEONE DID THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
neverforget
(9,436 posts)Martin Eden
(12,864 posts)Also, they have no trust in government or the career politicians therein. Can't blame them too much for that, though their distrust is largely founded on cynical efforts to alienate The People from their own government (Saint Ronnie said government is the problem, not the solution).
kwassa
(23,340 posts)I call him a billionaire Archie Bunker, for those of you that remember that series. Trump, like Bunker, speaks to old biased cultural norms.
Most of urban America is multi-racial, multicultural, and getting browner every day. Other places, not so much
Those white people in more stagnant economic settings, with less change, are finally seeing that their paradigm is getting changed, and they can't handle it. They're still living in the world of Frank Capra and John Wayne movies. Their version of America is being re-defined, and they want it to stop, and go back to what it used to be.
pampango
(24,692 posts)hedda_foil
(16,373 posts)Then he can be the boss they always wanted to suck up to.
libodem
(19,288 posts)No way.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)IsItJustMe
(7,012 posts)It's relative I think. 35% of the Republicans now support him. Republicans make up about 30% of voters. Not a math major, but that comes out to about 10% of the population. And how many of those people truly support him. The news media is hyping Trump constantly. If you watch and read a lot of news, I think you would come away with an unrealistic idea of "So Many".
I was going to be snarky and say that so many Americans are bat $#!T crazy. There is quit a bit of truth to that statement also.
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)This is the violent death gasps of Americas past...a vocal minority feels that Trump speaks to/for them. I pray that this minority continues to die out in the coming decades.
underahedgerow
(1,232 posts)for nutcases like hitler.
People by and large are not particularly intelligent.
Speak to the mindless and afraid, tap into their deepest fears and you will have a cult following for life. Shout really loud too, that helps. Screaming gets into thick skulls.
Speaking quietly and making sense gets into the intellect.
Trumpie is following the steps hitler took to take power. Fortunately today, we have much more choice for and access forinformation. Back in the 'old days' people were a captive audience.
3catwoman3
(23,975 posts)...just as I was preparing to type that exact phrase - mindless effing morons.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)This guy is hitler reincarnated and l don't understand how he can appeal to anyone!!!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)You see it here a whole lot too.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)so Herr Trump fits the bill nicely. He said he doesn't mind the comparison, so be it.
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Ford F-150
(72 posts)And 30 years of RW propaganda doesn't hurt either.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)We talk about it at work (I work at a university with people from many different countries) and I can tell you in the eyes of people from other countries Trump makes us look like fools.
He appeals to the racist element in the country, which is higher than any of us wants to admit. Even in the year 2015, some people act like it was 200 years ago. I spent nine years of my life (starting half way through the 5th grade) in a racist city. There were very few PoC in the area. I personally disown having grown up there and if anyone asks, I tell them where I went to grad school and lived for 11 years.
pansypoo53219
(20,975 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)are many (too many) people who are suckers for simple US vs THEM explanations.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)And they want to direct their anger at a definite target instead of complex system designed to keep them oppressed.
Mopar151
(9,983 posts)Guns, Bigotry, Xenophobia - and "strenth". They're big on the strenth part....And not paying for "free stuff". These are the folks who still call the Prez a liar and a traitor, no matter the evidence to the contrary.
cali
(114,904 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,088 posts)not serious politics.
He's the candidate who most closely resembles a wrestler on screen, in costume, yelling and screaming. He loves the attention whether it's adoration or loathing; it's still attention.
The more outrageous he is, the more noise from the audience, the more press. People are listening to the nonsense and responding as though it meant something.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Guessing based on 30-40% of the 30% who call themselves repubs, plus a few so called indies. How many really support what he claims to want? Probably lower, maybe 5%. What are the percentages of neo-nazi's, skinheads, KKK'ers and other core Trunp supporters, out of total voters, I wonder.
And why? Because propaganda artists like the Savage Wiener are constantly selling Trump to the masses with lies and fluff pieces. Not a surprise given the number of folks who think the sun revolves around the earth.
Renew Deal
(81,856 posts)jeepers
(314 posts)Most of T-rumps supporters are white middle class workers whose earnings are stagnant, uncertain or dwindling. As their privilege disappears they are watching the rise of the minority and the decline of religion. Gov offers lip service but no solutions. They have been abandoned by what they thought was a true love and are striking out not necessarily to win anything back, but in hopeless frustration. Donald offers them targets. The black, the immigrant, the foreigner, and the poor.
underpants
(182,788 posts)frizzled
(509 posts)When you spend more time correcting people on pronouns and race politics than talking about the vanishing middle class and anti-trust law, a lot of people are gonna call bullshit and go for the least "politically correct" candidate possible.
frizzled
(509 posts)In all honesty, I can't think of anyone else whose presidency would cause such outright chaos.
nruthie
(466 posts)Vinca
(50,269 posts)I'd say mental health is a bigger issue for this country than we every imagined. Most of them sound nuts. The GOP has been preaching doom and gloom and terror for so long, their followers are now paranoid to the point of needing therapy.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Trump is playing on common fears and prejudices in his campaign. His simplistic positions appeal to people who do not care to or cannot understand any sort of nuance.
For example, he wants to discriminate against Muslims, because people fear Islam. He uses that fear to make a populist argument that appeals to people who equate Islam with recent and past terrorism incidents. His audience knows no better or doesn't care to bother learning any better.
His campaign is populism targeting the basest and least informed people. He doesn't care. It works for him, so he uses it.
There will always be a certain percentage of the population that will buy any sort of argument that reinforces their ignorance or ingrained prejudices. Those people are supporting Trump.
It is that freaking simple.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)These are the very same type of people who otherwise have no interest in current events, only personalities with whom they agree. And the reason they agree with personalities like tRump is because these personalities play them like the rubes they are. These rubes, fortunately, have set voting a very low priority, or no priority at all. They simply don't vote for whatever reason, can't be bothered, won't take off work, don't know it's time to vote, don't want to vote, think their vote makes no difference in the grand scheme, or simply can't vote due to a criminal history or they don't register on time.
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)dirtydickcheney
(242 posts)...as vague as Trump's trade policy is it sounds a helluva lot better than what I'm sure Hillary will bring w. her support for the TPP.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)and what they say between themselves, even if it's racist, sexist, or whatever.
I think Trump is a big bully, but he's gained a lot of supporters with his brand of tough talk.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)So do Trump supporters.
Trump is quite the cipher, I don't think anyone has a clue what he would do if he were elected, maybe not even him. I don't think for a moment Trump believes very much at all of what he's saying.
Yavin4
(35,438 posts)But they blame the wrong people for it, and Trump just confirms their bias.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)and Trump, being a salesman, knows how to sell them.
karadax
(284 posts)most of us here. They want someone that can break the gridlock and get things done. Trump has people eating out of palm of his hand, convinced that he is the guy that can cut through the BS that exists on Capitol Hill. People seem to think all businessmen are good effective ones that can get instant results. That is not exactly how things work.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)if you have Netflix they are showing a documentary called From Calagari to Hitler that sums up what might be happening .
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)especially on the right, the United States is still a deeply racist and sexist country.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Until now they've only been revealing their true selves among their own kind. Now they feel they don't have to pretend.
Still Sensible
(2,870 posts)Skittles
(153,160 posts)but are more than happy when someone else says what they think
JesterCS
(1,827 posts)All going back to Obama getting elected. People were crying how he wasn't born in the US and he's muslim and a terrorist
Possibly 9/11 as well.
Fox news
Republican rhetoric.
The spread of social media, giving any moron that's breathing a voice.
Being emboldened by fox, republicans, and candidates.
All of these things have brought the cave dwellers out of their hibernation, to spout emotions, from fear to anger, instead of Intelligence and fact checking. MSM just giving these people their 15 seconds of air time, validates it for all those who feel the same, despite how wrong, immoral, and asanine it is.
That's what I think anyway
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Angel Martin
(942 posts)it's a long read but worth it.
Trump has perfect pitch for the Jacksonians.
It's like Trump read this essay and constructed his candidacy as an exact fit.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)the political process. Doesn't mean they are not trying and sometimes mentally evolving...sometimes they stop and never progress. A lot of racists in this country, lots of bigots and haters etc.. They watch a Dump show and feel like hurting people. A lot of these teabaggers are skinhead types just waiting for the Don.
It is the radical right and they love him, the M$M loves the ratings. Fat paychecks get handed out. Money cashed.
The Don...don't forget he is The Don.