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403Forbidden

(166 posts)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:51 PM Jan 2016

My girlfriend and I got in a big fight. She wants me to stop driving my "o-zone buster" (UPDATED)

Last edited Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:51 PM - Edit history (1)

...it's really putting a damper on my day

I drive a 1965 Chevy pickup truck with a V8 that gets about 9 miles per gallon. She told me I need to get a hybrid or else our relationship is in question. She's 20 years younger than me and several degrees out of my league...so I don;t want to take this too lightly.

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1/19 UPDATE:

I couldn't handle all her drama, so I told her to get to steppin'. I am taking this as an opportunity to re-establish my game. If any DU ladies are interested, send me a PM. (Must be 20-25yo. And smoking hot.)

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My girlfriend and I got in a big fight. She wants me to stop driving my "o-zone buster" (UPDATED) (Original Post) 403Forbidden Jan 2016 OP
Well, you just kinda sound...conflicted... ret5hd Jan 2016 #1
Perhaps she doesn't want him to die if he hits a Chevy Malibu with it. TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #32
That's quite an eye opener. PatrickforO Jan 2016 #179
Good idea to not take it too lightly, elleng Jan 2016 #2
The real question that he needs to answer is: Are you Rollin' Coal with it? TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #30
Lots of women out there. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #3
Didn't mean to sound rude. safeinOhio Jan 2016 #6
Amen to that. Step by step, slowly they turn. Next: "I don't like THAT show ..and I've been.. BlueJazz Jan 2016 #31
I agree, and I'm a woman Proserpina Jan 2016 #51
Heh. LOVE the double meaning in your last phrase... kath Jan 2016 #181
+1 Go Vols Jan 2016 #150
You don't sound rude. You sound right on the money. PatrickforO Jan 2016 #180
And also, if it's only gettin' 9 it needs a tune up. ret5hd Jan 2016 #4
+1 nt Mnemosyne Jan 2016 #71
You'd think she'd at least give you points for having a tree in your pickup bed pinboy3niner Jan 2016 #5
! BlueJazz Jan 2016 #33
In terms of overall "green-ness," she's wrong. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2016 #7
Good point, Lizzie. She hasn't really thought this through. (nt) enough Jan 2016 #16
^^ Brickbat Jan 2016 #17
+1 FLPanhandle Jan 2016 #19
Not really. zigby Jan 2016 #42
And unless it has a leaking AC unit, it isn't an "ozone buster" BlueStreak Jan 2016 #106
Hmmm that's a good argument LittleBlue Jan 2016 #124
The car CLEARLY matters more to HER, though. PatrickforO Jan 2016 #182
Good point. I hadn't thought of that. NaturalHigh Jan 2016 #185
weird ultimatum... dhill926 Jan 2016 #8
Nice looking truck, haven't seen your girl friend. :) You could get a hybrid and drive Hoyt Jan 2016 #9
Yeah, a control freak like that will impose her PatrickforO Jan 2016 #183
Do ya like her? Iggo Jan 2016 #10
It's not just a truck! FuzzyRabbit Jan 2016 #56
That's a cool truck. cwydro Jan 2016 #11
I've owned my 65 chevy pickup for 30 years and... pipoman Jan 2016 #12
Do you really need such a controlling woman in your life? hack89 Jan 2016 #13
I would get rid of both. nt Xipe Totec Jan 2016 #14
It takes more energy to make a new hybrid than you'll use with your old truck. FLPanhandle Jan 2016 #15
That is a myth. zigby Jan 2016 #45
Cool. I learn something new here all the time. nt FLPanhandle Jan 2016 #49
Also, Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #70
I have a few issues with that article missingthebigdog Jan 2016 #157
A string of arbitrary ultimatums will follow lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #18
Buy some carbon credit and have a reputable organization plant some trees or whatever they do... TipTok Jan 2016 #20
Sounds like she doesn't think much of your relationship, to be honest. Brickbat Jan 2016 #21
+1. And keep the truck pintobean Jan 2016 #81
Definitely! Brickbat Jan 2016 #91
Guess it depends on how much you love her and how much you love your truck. Good luck. OregonBlue Jan 2016 #22
You can always find another girlfriend tularetom Jan 2016 #23
I think your girlfriend NV Whino Jan 2016 #24
Word. Iggo Jan 2016 #90
Keep the truck. Blue_In_AK Jan 2016 #25
Chevy...or...chick? Why, its that old Chevy or chick dilemma again. Kip Humphrey Jan 2016 #26
So much I see what you did there...er...here. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2016 #27
So how much are you asking for the truck? nt sufrommich Jan 2016 #28
It will be difficult to move her with a hybrid. Downwinder Jan 2016 #29
DUZY!!! Thread winner!!! Lochloosa Jan 2016 #53
Burn. mahina Jan 2016 #153
Women who make these sorts of demands soon move on to others. SylviaD Jan 2016 #34
As they say 1939 Jan 2016 #76
Excellent post nt laundry_queen Jan 2016 #163
I'd get a Hybred girlfriend, one that loves you and the truck. BlueJazz Jan 2016 #35
Excellent! elias49 Jan 2016 #40
That's a beautiful truck... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #36
Good for your GF pestering you to care about the environment! Odin2005 Jan 2016 #37
How long benld74 Jan 2016 #38
she cares that little for you edhopper Jan 2016 #39
Ha greytdemocrat Jan 2016 #41
Bingo Little Star Jan 2016 #52
Yep. NaturalHigh Jan 2016 #186
Very nice truck! elias49 Jan 2016 #43
Lots of room to work on them. I liked that! And no code reader needed! RKP5637 Jan 2016 #113
You will soon be replaced by a Greenie. Doesn't matter what your do. It's over. /nt SDjack Jan 2016 #44
She's attempting to force a man to choose over a classic truck or her? GOLGO 13 Jan 2016 #46
Anyone who would issue an ultimatum as petty as that would give me serious pause linuxman Jan 2016 #47
I'd replace both of them. n/t Lil Missy Jan 2016 #48
Best answer. :) Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2016 #62
The deal may have already gone down; the truck is a serviceable excuse. Eleanors38 Jan 2016 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #54
I was going to say much the same Populist_Prole Jan 2016 #58
Nice looking old Chevy. Since it's not original, you could put a small motor in it. B Calm Jan 2016 #55
This story sounds bouncy and I have no idea what an "o-zone" is. LeftyMom Jan 2016 #57
You will find another girlfriend. dilby Jan 2016 #59
dude, girlfriends come and girlfriends go... mike_c Jan 2016 #60
Yes agreed...but technically, I am her supervising manager at work...so I must tread lightly... 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #61
Hoo, boy... Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2016 #63
My, that's a law suit waiting to happen Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #72
What is she's an intern, not an employee...would that make any difference? 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #73
I called it folks. LeftyMom Jan 2016 #86
Motorized goal post. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #94
Yep!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2016 #107
+1 n/t tammywammy Jan 2016 #125
does that mean "made up" treestar Jan 2016 #177
Ahhh, therein lies your problem. Beacool Jan 2016 #87
You don't get laid where you get paid NT 1939 Jan 2016 #172
Then if this is true, you're a moron tammywammy Jan 2016 #126
love transcends the frivolities of life 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #127
Then why the question about the truck? tammywammy Jan 2016 #131
Because I haven't decided if it is true love yet. 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #132
Does your management know your dating a subordinate? tammywammy Jan 2016 #133
I can't really speak as to what other people know or don't know. 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #134
You might want to give them a heads up, since you've put them at risk of a sexual harassment lawsuit tammywammy Jan 2016 #135
How did I put anyone at risk for a sexual harassment lawsuit if all amorous encounters... 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #136
Supposedly consensual tammywammy Jan 2016 #139
Are you accusing me of perpetrating a non-consensual sexual encounter? 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #140
There's a reason you don't sleep with subordinates tammywammy Jan 2016 #143
You specifically said that I had already put someone at risk for a sexual harassment lawsuit 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #146
*headdesk* laundry_queen Jan 2016 #165
Any time you have a superior/subordinate relationship 1939 Jan 2016 #173
The lawsuit will accuse you of just that HassleCat Jan 2016 #176
This is where you went wrong, not to mention she's controlling wordpix Jan 2016 #193
Run, dont walk, away. beevul Jan 2016 #64
So a guy gets a hybrid for his girlfriend. JonathanRackham Jan 2016 #65
With gas under 2.00 a gallon, a ride in the truck is probably cheaper. Travis_0004 Jan 2016 #66
No,but building a new car may take more energy/resources wordpix Jan 2016 #194
You should listen to your girlfriend, dump that fuel guzzling heap. JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2016 #67
Death trap if you get into an accident Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #68
As a lonely old man Cartoonist Jan 2016 #69
Then look for someone closer to your own age and within your league. Beacool Jan 2016 #85
Wow, did you miss my point Cartoonist Jan 2016 #101
I know. Beacool Jan 2016 #114
If you're looking for someone 20 yr younger, wordpix Jan 2016 #196
I don't waste my time chasing youngsters. Cartoonist Jan 2016 #200
Yep. Rule of thumb: date those within your "reading group"... jonno99 Jan 2016 #204
Reduce reuse recycle tk2kewl Jan 2016 #74
Tell her to take a hike n/t PasadenaTrudy Jan 2016 #75
Did she really call it an OZONE buster TexasProgresive Jan 2016 #77
Time to move along and find a new girl friend. If not, then send me a PM... madinmaryland Jan 2016 #78
I'd be happy to take the truck off your hands lol. cwydro Jan 2016 #79
+1 nt lumberjack_jeff Jan 2016 #98
This seems appropriate mythology Jan 2016 #80
If it's that important to her, tell her to buy it for you. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #82
Are you sure the green-ness is the only reason? Rebkeh Jan 2016 #83
Keep the truck, change the girlfriend. Beacool Jan 2016 #84
You only have picture of the truck, more required rufus dog Jan 2016 #88
Why, you don't believe me? Here's a pic with my bike 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #92
Cool bike Sanity Claws Jan 2016 #129
Sweet rufus dog Jan 2016 #144
Oh in that case, here's a couple more pics ;) 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #151
What the hell are you doing with someone that much younger? nt valerief Jan 2016 #89
alrighty then Skittles Jan 2016 #93
If this were a dilemma IRL, its resolution would be a no-brainer. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #95
Is this just a show vehicle or a work vehicle? tabasco Jan 2016 #96
LINKS TO OTHER PLACES THESE PICTURES CAN BE FOUND... cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #97
Those are all me... LOL 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #100
Is this your other vehicle? cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #103
Yes, why do you ask? 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #109
You're funny. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2016 #111
You weren't trying to insinuate that it wasn't my truck were you? 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #119
So you are 36 years old then? Dating a 16 year old...LOL, cool story bro! snooper2 Jan 2016 #206
That's why he's going up in age 20-25 tammywammy Jan 2016 #213
Here's a picture of my truck in my garage that I just took a few minutes ago..geez happy now? 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #112
Your DA profile has some... intresting pictures. Lancero Jan 2016 #145
That's not my real age. 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #147
But it is your real truck? Lancero Jan 2016 #148
yes 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #149
ok, and? Lancero Jan 2016 #152
You asked me if it was really my truck.. 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #154
She'll dump your ancient ass anyhow MineralMan Jan 2016 #99
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #102
Come here and let me slap you upside the head! Totally inappropriate! ebayfool Jan 2016 #115
Old enough to know that there's more fact than fiction to that statement. Heeeeers Johnny Jan 2016 #121
why isn't the truck a step side? also 9mpg. sounds real bad. juxtaposed Jan 2016 #104
It's a fleetside shortbed. 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #110
sorry to hear that, better time next time. juxtaposed Jan 2016 #117
There's something fundamentally wrong in a relationship wherein decisions are RKP5637 Jan 2016 #105
You don't need that kind of negativity in your life... ileus Jan 2016 #108
+1 darkangel218 Jan 2016 #118
Its not a Mopar... quickesst Jan 2016 #116
"She's.......several degrees out of my league". I kinda doubt that. WillowTree Jan 2016 #120
I don't see much help in this thread.... catnhatnh Jan 2016 #122
I was going to say "dump her" until I read the part LittleBlue Jan 2016 #123
Truck's too old and girlfriend's too young Warpy Jan 2016 #128
New model girlfriend versus ooold machinery. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #130
Your truck is a classic and irreplaceable. The gf, not so much. I'd choose the truck over her for beaglelover Jan 2016 #137
what if she asks you to become a vegan JI7 Jan 2016 #138
This message was self-deleted by its author KentuckyWoman Jan 2016 #141
How about the "Kim" rule? If she's so serious. Yo_Mama Jan 2016 #142
You should probably sell me that truck. mahina Jan 2016 #155
My dad had it since the 70s, but sold it in the 80's. I was lucky enough to track it down... 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #156
Guess that's out then. mahina Jan 2016 #161
Compromise, update the engine with something like an LS7 pediatricmedic Jan 2016 #158
That is what I was going to suggest Mnpaul Jan 2016 #188
My reply would be "Sure, when are you going to buy it for me?" RichVRichV Jan 2016 #159
My advice JesterCS Jan 2016 #160
If your truck is older than your girlfriend one of them has to go. rug Jan 2016 #162
A 1964 chevy pick up truck was my first vehicle to drive Jim Beard Jan 2016 #164
I'd keep the truck and ditch the girlfriend. Waldorf Jan 2016 #166
keep the truck, time for a new job it sounds like steve2470 Jan 2016 #167
Don't dip your pen in the office inkwell NT 1939 Jan 2016 #170
I'd convert it to electric. kentauros Jan 2016 #168
The relevant question is quaker bill Jan 2016 #169
Then this is not going to be the only thing treestar Jan 2016 #171
People don't take into account the environmental cost of manufacturing MosheFeingold Jan 2016 #174
The truck is a 50-year-old classic krispos42 Jan 2016 #175
I'm gonna give you some heartfelt advice. PatrickforO Jan 2016 #178
From a woman, right on, bro wordpix Jan 2016 #197
My honest advice - find a new girlfriend. NaturalHigh Jan 2016 #184
garage it till gf is gone. librechik Jan 2016 #187
Add fuel injection, get better MPG? My 95 Z28 gets 20-30 mpg, 383 V8 MillennialDem Jan 2016 #189
You could pour some oil on those troubled water by getting rid of the 403 and install a Chev 350 Monk06 Jan 2016 #190
403 is an odd choice for a Chevy truck. Throd Jan 2016 #192
I don't have a 403 engine in my truck. My username is a reference to an HTTP error code... 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #202
Ha Ha The one day I thought I was smarter than everybody. Guess I was wrong about that too Monk06 Jan 2016 #214
The 403 had a large bore which meant the cylinders were siamesed with no waterjacket between Monk06 Jan 2016 #203
She's twenty years younger? panader0 Jan 2016 #191
And his update says he's looking for a new gf the same age wordpix Jan 2016 #198
And he's her supervisor. n/t tammywammy Jan 2016 #199
Your girlfriend should never be younger than your car. That's a basic rule Monk06 Jan 2016 #205
Is this a real question? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2016 #195
Love the update! NaturalHigh Jan 2016 #201
That must be one hell of a truck! KamaAina Jan 2016 #207
my honest answer olddots Jan 2016 #208
You hurt my feelin' 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #209
Problem is... there is no she here. demmiblue Jan 2016 #211
Sweet! Can I have your truck? Oneironaut Jan 2016 #210
Read the update. I'm keeping my truck, and have commenced to sprinkling my game... 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #212
are YOU smokin' hot? kath Jan 2016 #217
No, but my awesome personality makes up for it. That's why I only date 10s 403Forbidden Jan 2016 #218
So she's vegan, right? flvegan Jan 2016 #215
Good luck with that update. lovemydog Jan 2016 #216
The creativity is there, but it lacks a dramatic arc. LanternWaste Jan 2016 #219
Well Done, LW ProfessorGAC Jan 2016 #220

PatrickforO

(14,632 posts)
179. That's quite an eye opener.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:54 PM
Jan 2016

And here I was thinking they don't make 'em like that anymore.

I guess we're lucky they don't, eh?

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
31. Amen to that. Step by step, slowly they turn. Next: "I don't like THAT show ..and I've been..
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:14 PM
Jan 2016

...meaning to talk to you about your haircut..and while I'm at it.....". Nooo thank you.

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
51. I agree, and I'm a woman
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:52 PM
Jan 2016

and no, control freaks don't improve with age, regardless of sex.
(and you can take that either way)

PatrickforO

(14,632 posts)
180. You don't sound rude. You sound right on the money.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jan 2016

Sounds like IF she even loves him, that love is quite CONDITIONAL.

He should rethink the relationship, because conditional love sucks.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
7. In terms of overall "green-ness," she's wrong.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:56 PM
Jan 2016

There is no way your lovely old truck's relative environmental inefficiency will, during the entire time you operate it, even approach the impact of creating an entirely new vehicle, regardless of that new vehicle's higher efficiency and low impact.

Recycling works. Using the things we make out of the earth's resources until they simply no longer work is a very green concept.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
106. And unless it has a leaking AC unit, it isn't an "ozone buster"
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:51 PM
Jan 2016

assuming she's talking about the "ozone layer" in the atmosphere and not the ozone in smog.

But seriously, couldn't you look at a newer pick-up? You know, one with seat belts and a working radio?

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
124. Hmmm that's a good argument
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:35 PM
Jan 2016

I doubt that will satisfy her. If he makes this argument, he might give the appearance that the car matters to him more than she does.

It is very logical, though.

PatrickforO

(14,632 posts)
182. The car CLEARLY matters more to HER, though.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jan 2016

So...maybe ditch the woman and keep the truck?

Or, best yet, ditch the woman and get a NEW truck!

But I HAD conditional love from my ex and it ISN'T love, really. All it is is control. "Oh, I'll love you if you do..."

Who wants, or even has time, for that bullshit?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. Nice looking truck, haven't seen your girl friend. :) You could get a hybrid and drive
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:57 PM
Jan 2016

the truck on special occasions. Unfortunately, the demands are not likely to stop there.

PatrickforO

(14,632 posts)
183. Yeah, a control freak like that will impose her
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 03:03 PM
Jan 2016

conditional love onto all aspects of your life - home, extended family, career...

DON'T do it!

FuzzyRabbit

(1,977 posts)
56. It's not just a truck!
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:04 PM
Jan 2016

It is a 50 year old classic vehicle and looks to be in good condition. Properly maintained it could still be running for another 50 years.


 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
12. I've owned my 65 chevy pickup for 30 years and...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jan 2016

It has been in my family since August 1965.....

If someone was more concerned about the vehicle I drive than their relationship with me I would enjoy it while it lasted then show them the door when I couldn't listen to their stupid shit any longer...

BTW, mine is a straight 6 with a factory powerglide geared so low it gets 11 mpg....

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
15. It takes more energy to make a new hybrid than you'll use with your old truck.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jan 2016

If your choice of car is more important to her than you are, then run. RUN FAST!

missingthebigdog

(1,233 posts)
157. I have a few issues with that article
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jan 2016

The author improperly adds in the environmental impact of manufacturing the older vehicle, for one thing. The damage has already been done there- buying a new model in no way mitigates that.

Further, the author does not take into consideration the environmental impact of disposing of the older vehicle, or for that matter, disposing of the newer one at the end of its usable life.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
18. A string of arbitrary ultimatums will follow
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:03 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:58 PM - Edit history (1)

The difference between the truck and the gf is that in ten years, you'll miss the truck.

She's less concerned with the ozone layer than engagement ring budget.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
21. Sounds like she doesn't think much of your relationship, to be honest.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:04 PM
Jan 2016

If she wants you to have a hybrid, she can buy you one.

SylviaD

(721 posts)
34. Women who make these sorts of demands soon move on to others.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:20 PM
Jan 2016

Men do this as well. It's a control thing.

If she has discussions with you about updating your vehicle, that's fine. Or if she expresses her dismay at your vehicle's environmental footprint.

But take it from another woman, if she makes demands and issues ultimatums, you'd best think long and hard. This kind of person, should you change your vehicle to please her, will soon move on to the next demand and the next ultimatum.

As the former partner of a very controlling man, I recognize the signs here. My advice is to beware.

Try gently and lovingly telling her you are not going to change your vehicle at this time. Be respectful and polite and reasure her that despite your decision, her opinion does matter to you.

Then observe her reaction and her demeanor.

This is the best advice I can give you. Good luck!

1939

(1,683 posts)
76. As they say
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:44 PM
Jan 2016

Tis better to have loved and lost than to live with a psycho the rest of your life.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
36. That's a beautiful truck...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:24 PM
Jan 2016

...and I can understand why you would not want to get rid of it.

Are you in a position to get another car for daily use, and just use the truck rarely?

9 mpg is very low gas mileage which means it is both expensive to run, and definitely not good for the environment.

In the end, it is your choice, after you weigh things out a bit.

Good luck!

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
43. Very nice truck!
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:31 PM
Jan 2016

I made a 56 Chevy sedan pretty when I was in my 30s. (30 years ago).
So much steel! Woohoo!
And you could set a whole cooler under the hood while you climbed around after the 6th spark plug.
Those were good days.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
113. Lots of room to work on them. I liked that! And no code reader needed!
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:59 PM
Jan 2016

And a tuneup meant a set of plugs, points, capacitor, maybe a distributor rotor and possibly a set of wires. That got you pretty far for most needs.

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
46. She's attempting to force a man to choose over a classic truck or her?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:40 PM
Jan 2016

She's trying to rip your balls off & stuff them into her purse. You know that, right?

If you give into this, she will not stop until you have been neutered completely. This is the line that you do not allow anyone to cross. Ultimatums in relationships is one of the biggest warning sign that the person your dealing with is a sociopath.

Me? I would refuse with no room for discussion. If she ever pulls that leaving shit again, have some boxes ready in the garage where you keep the truck so she can pack her trash in & get to stepping.

Hot women are everywhere in Cali. Hot cars like that? Pick the Chevy brother.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
47. Anyone who would issue an ultimatum as petty as that would give me serious pause
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:41 PM
Jan 2016

Relationships built on ultimatum are seldom destined for happy longevity. May as well have your truck when the other shoe drops. Just saying...

Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #50)

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
58. I was going to say much the same
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:06 PM
Jan 2016

Especially if the demand is made for something she knows is a big attachment.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
57. This story sounds bouncy and I have no idea what an "o-zone" is.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:04 PM
Jan 2016

-LM, almost certainly younger than you and several degrees out of your league, and also the owner of a sexier vintage truck that gets similar MPG but several unsolicited marriage proposals per stop at the gas station

dilby

(2,273 posts)
59. You will find another girlfriend.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:07 PM
Jan 2016

Just my 2 cents but any time I gave up something I liked for a woman I ended up regretting it. Girlfriends come and go, your happiness is what should be most important.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
60. dude, girlfriends come and girlfriends go...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:07 PM
Jan 2016

...but a big block '65 Chevy truck will always keep you warm at night. Just sayin'.

 

403Forbidden

(166 posts)
61. Yes agreed...but technically, I am her supervising manager at work...so I must tread lightly...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:10 PM
Jan 2016

...don't want an acrimonious breakup to blow up in my face.

 

403Forbidden

(166 posts)
73. What is she's an intern, not an employee...would that make any difference?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:34 PM
Jan 2016

Just a hypothetical question.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
177. does that mean "made up"
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jan 2016

googling "bouncy" as to a story is only getting me ads for bouncy houses.

Beacool

(30,257 posts)
87. Ahhh, therein lies your problem.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:20 PM
Jan 2016

Never sh*t where you eat. It's not a good idea to date people that you supervise, in some jobs it's not even allowed. I would advice you to reconsider the whole situation, regardless of the truck issue.

It's a powder keg waiting to explode.


tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
126. Then if this is true, you're a moron
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:43 PM
Jan 2016

You've put the company at risk of a lawsuit. The least of your worries should be the stupid truck, you can easily be fired. Best not to take out a car note when your own employment may be at risk.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
131. Then why the question about the truck?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:56 PM
Jan 2016

Isn't that a "frivolity of life"?

Does your management know you're dating a subordinate? Are you prepared to defend yourself if there's a sexual harassment lawsuit? Do your other employees know you're dating? Is she receiving any preferential treatment? Any effect on employee morale?

Dating a subordinate is not only plain stupid, it shows a real lack of good judgment.

 

403Forbidden

(166 posts)
136. How did I put anyone at risk for a sexual harassment lawsuit if all amorous encounters...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:05 PM
Jan 2016

...between two adults were reciprocated?

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
139. Supposedly consensual
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jan 2016

"He promised me a job if I dated him." Or if there's the wiff of favoritism from other you supervise. Any PDA at work?

You've shown a serious lack of judgment. And the fact that you don't see it is more of a reason you shouldn't be a manager.

 

403Forbidden

(166 posts)
140. Are you accusing me of perpetrating a non-consensual sexual encounter?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:15 PM
Jan 2016

...come out with if you are...no need for the coy innuendo.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
143. There's a reason you don't sleep with subordinates
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:23 PM
Jan 2016

One of the reason is is set up a lawsuit based on "told me I'd get a job/promotion/raise if I slept with them".

Not only that, if there's even the hint you're treating her with any favoritism. "Jane got XYZ because she's SLEEPING WITH THE BOSS".

This isn't complicated. You're showing a serious lack of judgment. I'd be more worried about getting fired than some stupid truck.

 

403Forbidden

(166 posts)
146. You specifically said that I had already put someone at risk for a sexual harassment lawsuit
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:27 PM
Jan 2016

When i asked you how that was possible, you replied with a vague statement about how my sexual encounters were "supposedly consensual."

I think it is clear that you are insinuating that I am engaging in nefarious non-consensual sexual activity.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
165. *headdesk*
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:17 AM
Jan 2016

That's not what she's saying at all.

She's saying you put yourself in a position where it would be easier for the gf to claim those things if the relationship went sour given you are her superior and 20 years older than her. If both your superiors frown on the relationship she may throw you under the bus and claim harassment to save her own rear. At any rate such a relationship is never a good idea.

1939

(1,683 posts)
173. Any time you have a superior/subordinate relationship
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:23 PM
Jan 2016

the degree and definition of "consent" may well be questioned by others (including the legal system). Don't go skinny-dipping in the secretarial pool.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
176. The lawsuit will accuse you of just that
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:36 PM
Jan 2016

The lawyers will say you used the power of your position t make her date you, and do whatever else happened,

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
193. This is where you went wrong, not to mention she's controlling
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jan 2016

Anyone who thinks what you drive is a deal breaker is not too bright. One thing to question why you're driving a gas guzzling dinosaur, and quite another to say get rid of it or else, like your relationship depends on a truck.:

You are in for a world of trouble since you're her manager. Suggest you consult Paul Simon's 50 ways to leave your lover and slip out the back, Jack or get busy with new activities she doesn't like.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
194. No,but building a new car may take more energy/resources
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jan 2016

than the old truck. Also, if you use the truck for hauling wood and bldg supplies, you need it.

Story...i have a good friend who bought a big truck with double cab. At the time she needed it for hauling firewood and moving, but now she doesn't, and she's commuting 30 mi. each way for work. She was complaining about a new tire bill of $700,and i pointed out that a small car would cost her a lot less to maintain, for gas and for repairs. She says she still needs this huge truck, altho she hasnt used the truck bed since she moved 6 mos ago. Ok, if she wants to work extra hrs to keep it safely on the road, that's her business, and i don't think it's smart, but i certainly wouldn't make a big deal of it or i would risk our friendship of 30 yrs

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,444 posts)
67. You should listen to your girlfriend, dump that fuel guzzling heap.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:25 PM
Jan 2016

I can help. Give me a price, and I might relieve you of this domestic issue.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
68. Death trap if you get into an accident
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:25 PM
Jan 2016

No air bags, crumple zones, shoulder harness, etc.

Just saying.

Cartoonist

(7,342 posts)
69. As a lonely old man
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:28 PM
Jan 2016

I'd drive a pedal car if it meant the company of a woman 20 years younger than me and out of my league.

Cartoonist

(7,342 posts)
101. Wow, did you miss my point
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:45 PM
Jan 2016

I'm just sayin if he wants to be a lonely old man like me, then keep the truck.

I would accept almost anyone. Just because there are other women out there doesn't mean they are free for the taking. Women get to choose also.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
196. If you're looking for someone 20 yr younger,
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jan 2016

you're barking up the wrong tree. I understand your tongue in cheek comment but seriously, if you want companionship, ask out someone in your age group. Older women have lots of great experience, stories, are free to travel, etc. In general, they have much to offer. And if they take care of themselves, they may appear much younger than they are.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
74. Reduce reuse recycle
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:40 PM
Jan 2016

You have all 3 in my view... At leat 2 anyway. Best you get with a new hybrid is one

TexasProgresive

(12,177 posts)
77. Did she really call it an OZONE buster
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:47 PM
Jan 2016

I think the only way that truck could hurt the ozone layer is if it had leaky AC which I doubt. The hydrocarbon emissions form the tailpipe will contribute to ozone near the surface on hot, sunny days.

There's plenty ammo for her to use in an argument but ozone buster????? not so much.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
82. If it's that important to her, tell her to buy it for you.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:52 PM
Jan 2016

Your truck looks beautiful, for its age. If you like it and it runs and it works for you, keep it.

Junking a perfectly working vehicle isnt exactly environmentally friendly, either.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
83. Are you sure the green-ness is the only reason?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:57 PM
Jan 2016

Or even the real reason in disguise? Sometimes the issue isn't what it appears. Just a thought.

That said, it's none of my business. I have exactly zero opinion on the right/wrong nature of it.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
88. You only have picture of the truck, more required
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:23 PM
Jan 2016

Please post side and rear views. And as a Californian, DUDE, dating an intern?

Sanity Claws

(21,873 posts)
129. Cool bike
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:53 PM
Jan 2016

Ride the bike everywhere and leave the truck In the garage. Bike riding will keep you looking young for the girlfriend. It will also keep your sperm count down in case the two of you fool around.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
96. Is this just a show vehicle or a work vehicle?
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:38 PM
Jan 2016

There's really no reason to be driving an 8-cyl. truck as an everyday driver. Your girlfriend sounds smart, except for that out-of-your-league issue.

Lancero

(3,028 posts)
145. Your DA profile has some... intresting pictures.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:27 PM
Jan 2016

Imagehost links to a deviantart page, and for those interested I wouldn't recommend checking the DA page.

Interesting note though that the page lists the owners age - So you are either in a relationship with a 16 year old girl, or you're lying about something.

 

403Forbidden

(166 posts)
154. You asked me if it was really my truck..
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jan 2016

...how would I be able to take a picture of it just earlier (check the metadata) if it wasn't my truck?

MineralMan

(146,395 posts)
99. She'll dump your ancient ass anyhow
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:44 PM
Jan 2016

at some point. Date in your age group and stop stressing. Frankly, I'm skeptical about the whole post.

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Heeeeers Johnny

(423 posts)
121. Old enough to know that there's more fact than fiction to that statement.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:17 PM
Jan 2016

Stupid enough that I'll still repeat the same mistakes.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
105. There's something fundamentally wrong in a relationship wherein decisions are
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jan 2016

likely to be made on a pickup truck with a V8 vs. a hybrid. I would keep the truck. It'll last longer IMO.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
108. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:52 PM
Jan 2016

There's lots of females that appreciate classic cars.


Life is too short to waste on someone that uptight...

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
120. "She's.......several degrees out of my league". I kinda doubt that.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:17 PM
Jan 2016

She wouldn't be making a big stink about what you drive if she was that 'league-y'. The truck, however, is a Class Act, and I say that when I'm not even into trucks.

Whatever you do about her, keep the truck. If she takes a hike, my guess is that someone will come along hot enough to appreciate you and your ride.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
122. I don't see much help in this thread....
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:22 PM
Jan 2016

...so how about this as a compromise? I'm a ford guy but let me lay this out as if your truck was a ford and you convert it to "chevy" in your head.

Modern ford motors are nuts-they produce a 4 cylinder for a mustang that provides over 300hp and a 302 V8 that makes 300hp and gets 30 mpg in a mustang. I'm pretty certain there's something available in the GM garage that could get that Little Darlin' up to a fuel mileage figure with a performance level you could live with...

Just a thought...

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
123. I was going to say "dump her" until I read the part
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:30 PM
Jan 2016

where she's younger and out of your league.
Gotta take that hit, bro. Get yourself a hybrid and take this loss like a man.

You could put it in storage and not tell her. Just make sure she doesn't find out or else she'll think that you're hedging against the relationship not working out (you are, but she doesn't have to know). Or if this particular truck itself isn't sentimental, sell it and buy another later if you break up.

Warpy

(111,669 posts)
128. Truck's too old and girlfriend's too young
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:52 PM
Jan 2016

I know what it's like to try to get parts for old vehicles, I once had to meet a guy named Bumpy at 3 AM outside a bar to get a master brake cylinder for an old vehicle. Getting something made in the same decade that's a little more efficient would do you better. The marvelous old pickup needs a collector who will drive her two or three times a year in a parade.

As for the girlfriend, pick on somebody your own age. Yeah, she most likely won't be the same quality as arm candy, but she will relate to you on your level, sharing many of the same life memories.

And she won't pressure you to give up a piece of history in favor of the newest and shiniest fad.

beaglelover

(3,535 posts)
137. Your truck is a classic and irreplaceable. The gf, not so much. I'd choose the truck over her for
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:08 PM
Jan 2016

sure. Not everyone wants to drive an appliance like a hybrid or electric vehicle. Some of us are driving/car enthusiasts and LOVE the sound of a big V8 under the hood. Keep the damn truck and drop the gf.

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Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
142. How about the "Kim" rule? If she's so serious.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:22 PM
Jan 2016
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Kim/Chapter_8
“Then in God’s Name take blue for red,” said Mahbub, alluding to the Hindu color of Kim’s disreputable turban.

Kim countered with the old proverb, “I will change my faith and my bedding, but thou must pay for it.”

The dealer laughed till he nearly fell from his horse. At a shop on the outskirts of the city the change was made, and Kim stood up, externally at least, a Mohammedan.


If you are driving that and buy a new one, the energy cost of creating the new car would outweigh any reasonable expectations of energy saving on the lower MPG for years.

It isn't necessarily an environmentally unsound thing to keep using older vehicles.

mahina

(17,896 posts)
155. You should probably sell me that truck.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:43 PM
Jan 2016

We can get it shipped over.

I'd figure out how to get the mileage up.

DAMN. That's a nice truck! How long hav e you had it?

 

403Forbidden

(166 posts)
156. My dad had it since the 70s, but sold it in the 80's. I was lucky enough to track it down...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:47 PM
Jan 2016

...just 3 years ago and bought it. Been driving it ever since.

mahina

(17,896 posts)
161. Guess that's out then.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 11:29 PM
Jan 2016

I wanted to let you know before but didn't want to get involved in the argument upthread; it's a really bad idea to be in a relationship with a subordinate, and doing so def. puts you and your firm at risk of losing a lawsuit if it ends badly.

http://www.alllaw.com/articles/employment/article37.asp

Unfortunately.

I feel super strange stepping out here and discussing anybody's personal life, for whatever that's worth. I had a subordinate of mine dating a woman whom he supervised and we were incredibly lucky that didn't blow up. They're still together, but not at our workplace.

Good luck!

pediatricmedic

(397 posts)
158. Compromise, update the engine with something like an LS7
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:53 PM
Jan 2016

It is more efficient and a little peppier then your old V8.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
188. That is what I was going to suggest
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:27 PM
Jan 2016

Late model corvette motor w/overdrive transmission with taller gears in the rear. Should be able to get it over 20. Those large Caprice wagons from the 90's did 25mpg.

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
164. A 1964 chevy pick up truck was my first vehicle to drive
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:10 AM
Jan 2016

Being a farm kid it was dual purpose. I used it to help with the farm work, take me and my brother and sister to school and Saturday night date truck.

Someone had a 1963 Chevy about a year ago and it brought back memories about how I would pull 2 cotton trailers with about 5 raw bales to the cotton gin. I am amazed today how we got so much done with a 292 cubic inch engine.

I bought my last pick up truck 8 years ago and will never buy another on. The new ones are too damn tall to get in and out of much less get a shovel or whatever out of the back. At my age it would get vert tireing having to climb in the back to get something I need to use.

The government is the reason the are so damn tall. Many years ago, the government passed a law that was supposed to help small business people who need smal heavy duty trucks and they gave huge tax breaks. That's why they make so many so big.

Waldorf

(654 posts)
166. I'd keep the truck and ditch the girlfriend.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:24 AM
Jan 2016

If she is saying this now then its a good probability it will be used again in the future.

There are a lot more girlfriends out there than a 65' Chevy truck.

steve2470

(37,461 posts)
167. keep the truck, time for a new job it sounds like
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:16 AM
Jan 2016

She's pretty controlling, and unless you want to take your chances, I'd get a new job. If you leave her, however gently, she just might decide to get revenge by telling your superiors you sexually harassed her. Then, unless your company absolutely loves you and decides you're irreplaceable, you will get canned to satisfy the lawsuit.

Bad situation all the way around, if this is all true. Don't get involved with subordinates next time. Good luck.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
168. I'd convert it to electric.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:31 AM
Jan 2016

Don't really need that old engine as most people won't ever see it anyway. They'll only be gawking at the exterior

Put a couple of electric forklift motors in it, and it might even be faster than this little Datsun:





quaker bill

(8,226 posts)
169. The relevant question is
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:35 AM
Jan 2016

how much carbon will be released making the replacement new vehicle? It is entirely likely that more carbon will be released building the replacement than will be released driving this truck for many, many years. (perhaps decades).

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
174. People don't take into account the environmental cost of manufacturing
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jan 2016

Whatever vehicle you have (assuming kept in good shape, which I wonder at 9mpg) is more environmentally friendly than the environmental cost of producing a new car.

There was a study not too long ago that did this.

The car companies didn't like it, as it discouraged rampant consumerism.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
175. The truck is a 50-year-old classic
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:32 PM
Jan 2016

While a pretty good looking example of an American pickup truck, there are some facts that are salient here.

One, it's grossly inefficient. Okay, not a huge deal in and of itself; the world isn't going to notice a few extra gallons of gas a week being burned among the millions burned daily. However, your wallet will. Especially when gas prices go back up again.

Two, it's grossly polluting. I read recently that a new 2016 car pollute less idling than a new 60's car does parked and turned off due to the gasoline venting from the tank and the chemicals leeching from the interior plastics. This Chevy has no pollution controls whatsoever and probably generates hundreds of times more carbon monoxide, oxides of nitrogen, and unburnt fuel vapors than any car produced in the last twenty years.

Three, it's unsafe. No seat belts, no airbags, no crumple zones, no side-impact protection, no anti-whiplash headrests... does it even have safety glass? How many hard and pointy parts are on that dashboard, anyway? Does it have automatic impact-triggered fuel-pump cutoff? Will that roof hold up if you roll over? And does it have the Zippo-level-of-flammability side-saddle fuel tanks?

This is the sort of vehicle that should be taken out on special occasions... car shows, parades, late-autumn hayrides, etc.

Get yourself something sensible and modern for everyday use and save this classic for special occasions. Even upgrading the engine and exhaust system to modern levels (an expensive proposition) will not alleviate the safety issues. You don't need a hybrid, but get something used to commute with and run errands. Save this Chevy for when looks and sound matters more than function.

PatrickforO

(14,632 posts)
178. I'm gonna give you some heartfelt advice.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jan 2016

Your truck is a classic and looks fairly cherry. If you are a motorhead, and handy with fixing cars, then maybe you should keep the truck and finish it out - looks like the bed needs paint. You can then enter it in shows and drive it on nice days.

In the meantime, maybe you should consider getting something to drive every day. Lots of nice choices out there that are safe to drive, get good mileage and have low maintenance costs. Check consumer reports. They rate cars and are usually pretty 'on the money.'

As to the woman, if she's threatening to end your relationship because you won't buy a new fucking car, maybe you should RETHINK that, too. How much do you REALLY love her? And, MUCH more important than that, how much does SHE love you? Because you know what? You DON'T EVER want to be in a relationship where you are the one doing ALL the loving. Trust me - I've been there. It's a real heavy weight to carry - the love for yourself AND your lady. I wouldn't wish that bullshit on my worst enemy.

She doesn't really love you? Then GET RID OF HER ASAP. Because you don't need that shit in your life.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
197. From a woman, right on, bro
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jan 2016

I love him, he doesn't love me, boohoo, depression and sadness and a broken heart. Fuck that, I'd rather have fun being single and looking.

librechik

(30,683 posts)
187. garage it till gf is gone.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:59 PM
Jan 2016

(advice from a chick.)

Dig it out when she leaves you for a richer guy.

Probably won't be long. Especially if you won't defer to her on this relatively minor point.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
190. You could pour some oil on those troubled water by getting rid of the 403 and install a Chev 350
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:56 AM
Jan 2016

Olds engines run hot and suck the fuel

Throd

(7,208 posts)
192. 403 is an odd choice for a Chevy truck.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:12 PM
Jan 2016

I agree that a 350 would be the natural choice for this truck.

A 455 with early heads and a giant radiator is a much better alternative to the 403, much more power, same shitty mileage.

 

403Forbidden

(166 posts)
202. I don't have a 403 engine in my truck. My username is a reference to an HTTP error code...
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 04:42 PM
Jan 2016

...when you try access a webpage that is restricted, a "403Forbidden" error code usually results.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
214. Ha Ha The one day I thought I was smarter than everybody. Guess I was wrong about that too
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 12:44 AM
Jan 2016


At any rate 9 mpg for even a small block is bad Something wrong there You should be getting 15-20etter
on something like a classic 327

A newer FI 350 even better

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
203. The 403 had a large bore which meant the cylinders were siamesed with no waterjacket between
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 04:46 PM
Jan 2016

pairs so they cooked.

Ran hot and gobble gas Lousy intake induction virtually no aftermarket manifolds

The 455 you're right is a better choice but for economy go for a more recent Chevy small block with fuel injection and an engine management computer to keep the fuel consumption reasonable

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
198. And his update says he's looking for a new gf the same age
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jan 2016

The guy meeps repeating the same mistake.

Oneironaut

(5,573 posts)
210. Sweet! Can I have your truck?
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jan 2016

You have to send it first, though. You can trust me. I'm from the Internet.

 

403Forbidden

(166 posts)
212. Read the update. I'm keeping my truck, and have commenced to sprinkling my game...
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 05:08 PM
Jan 2016

...DUers of the female persuasion, feel free to message me. Must be 20-25yo and smokin' hot.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
216. Good luck with that update.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:24 AM
Jan 2016

Let us know how it goes.

You might try posting a photo of your truck on tinder. Maybe include your junk too.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
219. The creativity is there, but it lacks a dramatic arc.
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 09:39 AM
Jan 2016

The creativity is there, but it lacks a dramatic arc and contains far too much misplaced conceit. I'd start over again and concentrate on character development before you return to your creative writing class.

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