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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMilitary aged obnoxious macho meatheads are the world's greatest danger
Whether their name is Roger or Karim or Rolf or Li or whatever ...
Whether they come from North Africa or North Alabama or North Dakota or the freaking North Pole ...
Whether their religion is Catholic or Protestant or Coptic or Orthodox or Reform or Shia or Sunni or Hindu or Sikh or Buddhist or Flying Spaghetti Monsterist or some from column A and some from column B or none of the above ...
Whether they are true blue followers of their beliefs, or it is just a box they check because grandma used to go to that church ...
If their greatest joy exists in the degradation, humiliation, and victimization of others, no matter what their fucked up motivation or justification, then they are an evil piece of shit, and they need to have their right to exist uncontrolled among civilized people removed.
All the rape sub cultures need to end. Yesterday. Actually, many millennia ago, but that is its own subject. The perpetrators need to be captured and prosecuted. Good people need to teach the young from the earliest age how to be non-monsters. And we need to accept that attacking the rape cultures is going to prove ugly and scary, but it is necessary to understand the problem to be able to effectively prevent or prosecute.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Is this an all young men are bad thread? Or a Muslim extremist apologist thread? What?
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)I thought I put a pretty solid qualifier in "military aged obnoxious macho meatheads".
If someone is upset by my poor attitude towards "military aged obnoxious macho meatheads", it is a pretty good signal that they should re-examine their relationship with humanity in general.
Reality.
Anybody who sees this and has a qualifier reaction needs to have a deep reflection on self.
403Forbidden
(166 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Military for those who need some to learn self discipline, others could develop character in civilian public service.
Better than growing up clueless.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)I'm sure you'd appreciate some of us military macho meatheads when you need us.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Well trained, committed, honorable warriors... mad props.
Hateful, hurtful, destructive assholes such as rapists, abusers, predators: none at all.
403Forbidden
(166 posts)...saying "well I hate all rapists and criminals too!"
valerief
(53,235 posts)Jim Beard
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(166 posts)FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)I served. I have ultimate respect for my honorable brothers and sisters in all the services.
I don't have respect for predators. Period.
A great deal of the conversation recently has been about the orchestrated larceny, assault, and rape attacks in several European cities on New Year's Eve. A lot of the motivation has been ascribed to Islam, and the attitude towards women that it creates.
The percentage of Middle Eastern / North African men who would engage in such activity is low. But, it is still a significant number in the tens of thousands. Unfortunately, some people interpret their religion such that the assaults were seen as a pleasurable holy duty by some. Others, irreligious or barely observant, but still part of the same geographic attitude, were emboldened by the group's power and ruthlessness.
But while we are focused on this issue, we also need to keep aware that SOME (not all, but too many) MENA men are not the only ones who destroy lives through rape and sexual assault. We need to clean our own zones. Not excuse or encourage macho meatheads just because they are our buds, our coworkers, our kinfolk.
1939
(1,683 posts)What is the rate of forcible rape in North Dakota? I don't have figures, but imagine it is pretty low.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)It used to be, but with the influx of young men looking for quick buck with little consequences, it's skyrocketed over the past 10 years. It's dropped slightly in the past few, but to pretend there isn't a problem is disingenuous.
Skittles
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(166 posts)annabanana
(52,791 posts)Skittles
(153,160 posts)bad mistake
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)As I explained in another reply, it's about stopping predators, the most powerful and dangerous ones (particularly to women and girls) being socially maladjusted horny young men.
I have full respect for the men and women who serve in the military. But zero for murderous traitors like McVeigh.
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(166 posts)SoCalDem
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young boys and girls had a pretty clear path ahead of them as they matured.....
Girls mostly grew up to be Moms..
Boys followed their fathers into whatever field he was in.
People were "old" in their 40's..
After a relatively short time in school, they married, and soon were parents..and so on and so on.
Modernity in the 20th century shook everything up and things have gotten really weird..really fast..
Western women have become a major threat to so many young men (and older ones as well).
Girls no longer drop out of school at 16 to marry..
Girls now know they can be more than "just a Mom".. Women who work outside the home are no longer relegated to being a teacher-until-they-marry or a nurse.. They are doctors, engineers, corporate CEOs, pilots, astronauts...you name it..they can be it.
There must be something in the male psyche that causes successful females to really irritate them (males). I see this in my own very liberal son to a small degree.. His wife makes $185K and he makes $150K a year and it sometimes bothers him that she makes more than he does..even though they share their money.. He laughs about it, but when he gets a bigger bonus that brings him to even a few more dollars than her, I can see how happy it makes him
So many men seem to be hyper sensitive about being "worthy"...
Imagine the distress when a young man grows up in a society that totally devalues women..makes them chattel ..and the society they live in gives fathers-of-girls the right to marry them off.. A young man of NO means will probably never get a wife. His primal urges are still there..as is the intense anger at the life ahead of him.
Poor people who live in places where education costs them money, often send only their eldest son to school, even if they have 10+ children. It's easy to see how resentment builds in the other sons. Those boys grow up resentful, angry and are ripe for the picking when it comes to groups like Isis, Al Qaeda..or even street gangs.
These anxious young men see this as their way to gain status..get money..and have access to sex whenever they want (by force/coercion). They may father children, but they have no intention of being a Daddy.
Occasional wars often "cull the herd", but when there is a religious base to the fight, there can never be an end to the struggle, because God is always on your side, and lost battles are not the end of a perpetual war..
Until governments are honest and secular, and every faith has security and freedom, there will never be an end to terrorism.. It's just a sad fact that we will live with for a very long time..until another plague comes around..
When vast swaths of population are killed off, things often "settle down" for while, but they always bubble up again
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)This is absolutely one of the best descriptions of the complexity of this situation that I have read.