Drunk theater goer accidentally shoots woman in chest

[freeplessinseattle]

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http://komonews.com/news/local/police-medics-responding-to-movie-theater-shooting-in-renton

From twitter:

NEW:Renton Police say a man who appeared to be intoxicated entered theatre. He was fumbling with his gun & it was an accidental discharge.

Witness says shooter stumbled in and appeared drunk. Younger man. Had gun in his waistband @KIRO7Seattle

[onehandle]

1. Second Amendment remedies. nt

[darkangel218]

54. Yah right.

[Downwinder]

2. 13 Hours

[freeplessinseattle]

4. Maybe he was afraid of all the movie gunz?

The irony.

Probably fancied himself being a hero at some point, reality bites

[MADem]

3. Wonder if it wasn't a hit? Hey you, Drunky, go kill my wife...?

David Grushke says he was at the theater watching the move "13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi" when the shooting happened.

"There was a gunshot and we thought it was a light bulb exploding in the theater, so no one really reacted," Grushke said.

Just as he realized it was a shooting, Grushke said he saw a man running to the exit. As he left the theater, he says he saw a woman with a gunshot wound.

"We saw the lady, she was laying on the bench with a shot in her upper chest," he said.

They're still looking for the guy....

[freeplessinseattle]

6. I wonder, too, but in a theater, kind of dark? Guess we won't know, unless they find the guy

My first thought was a domestic violence shooting, never know

Good aim for someone appearing intoxicated tho

[MADem]

10. Or maybe he was faking the drunky thing--sort of like Kevin Spacey in that film where

he isn't what he appears to be -- The Usual Suspects!

[Deuce]

26. From article...

Police say the shooter called 911 Thursday night from his Newcastle home and turned himself in. He is now in custody.

[MADem]

49. Well, there goes my convoluted "True Crime" theory!

Sometimes (as I admit I often note) the actual story is the simplest. The guy was a drunken idiot and this horrible event was an "accidental discharge."

[Nye Bevan]

5. Is it just me, or do the stories where gun owners accidentally shoot someone

outnumber those where a gun owner heroically stops a bad guy, by at least 100 to 1?

[freeplessinseattle]

7. Not just you!

Love to see some stats compiled

[Hoyt]

8. Most of those incidents would have ended without harm to anyone had the gun fancier

not been so quick to shoot center mass as some NRA accredited trainer taught them was the right, and manly, thing to do.

George Zimmerman falls in the category of "heroic gunning" according to gun fanciers.

[freeplessinseattle]

13. If it was an accident, tho, what difference does it make how they were trained to aim?

Guns don't kill people, people kill with guns, right?

[Waldorf]

17. Shooting center mass is not manly, but it is the quickest way to stop the threat.

Shooting for the extremities is something that happens in the movies.

[Hoyt]

57. Center mass is what racist right wing gun trainers teach. It's BS.

I'm saying, most of the cases where some yahoo blasts away would have ended with a stolen wallet or jewelry if the gun nut had not been so quick to exercise his 2nd Amendment right and make trainers like Massad Ayoob happy. Or if you really need it simple, you don't need to shoot, and very likely don't need a gun.

Too many gunners are just like George Zimmerman or the Bundy Ranch Militias.

[Waldorf]

65. I guess every police agency in this Country has their firearms training done by racist right wing

gun trainers? I don't think so. And I don't side with the criminals who steal the wallet or jewelry. If a citizen exercises their 2nd Amendment Right to stop a crime happening to them, more power to them.

[Hoyt]

66. Do you consider yourself a policeman wannabe, like Zman?

[Waldorf]

67. No. If I wanted to be a Police offider than I would have been one. I chose a different career.

I just don't feel sympathy for the criminals who might get shot by a citizen protecting their self or their family.

[Hoyt]

68. Shooting someone intent on taking a wallet is not protecting oneself or family, IMO.

Some folks spend days training to do just that, whether the "criminal" is armed or not. Some of the gungeoneers speak of how they would shoot a car stereo thief in the back as they flee. Others like to practice to shoot people at long distance, like that could ever be considered self-defense in anything but a war zone.

[Major Nikon]

46. Not to mention the times where a child shoots themselves or a sibling

The bullshit idea that guns make people safer needs to be put to bed. Not only do they make their owners less safe, they make everyone around them less safe.

[BuelahWitch]

9. WA is not open carry, is it? n/t

[freeplessinseattle]

15. We are open carry now, unfortunately

With some of the usual exceptions, now incl "outdoor music festivals"

[BuelahWitch]

19. I'm sorry. :(

[Ed Suspicious]

11. Why is some asshole carrying a gun into a theater? John Wilkes Booth wannabe.

[TheBlackAdder]

23. It's something he can stroke in the theater and not get arrested like Pee Wee Herman. nt

[freeplessinseattle]

25. There ya go! Only logical explanation really. n/t

[snort]

40. More like Pee Wee Vermin.

[Major Nikon]

47. Because the ammosexuals believe precious should be carried everywhere, all the time

Because if you are going to make yourself and everyone else around you less safe, you might as well double down on the day-old-dogshit stupid.

[Mufaddal]

59. Because guess which movie it was

Yep, the new Benghazi flick.

[ohnoyoudidnt]

62. He is afraid some idiot with a gun might go in there and shoot someone.

How ironic.

[SheilaT]

12. And people think I'm a nutcase

because I'd like to see all guns confiscated.

And yes, these "accidental" shootings outnumber the so-called good guys stopping a crime at a minimum of 100 to 1.

[ZombieHorde]

16. By "all guns," do you mean all the guns, or just some of the guns?

I don't want institutional-racist organizations to be the only ones allowed to have guns.

[SheilaT]

31. Oh, I mean all guns.

I'm an extremist, a total nut case on this subject.

[ZombieHorde]

38. I often like extremist nut cases.

[smirkymonkey]

58. So am I.

I hate guns with a passion. I think anyone who needs to have a gun on them at all times is mentally ill.

[Odin2005]

52. Including my hunting rifle?

[SheilaT]

64. Hunting rifles can be kept locked up somewhere until hunting season.

When you have the license to shoot bambi, then you can check out the gun and a limited amount of ammunition.

[Binkie The Clown]

14. Yet another good guy with a gun protecting us all from.... what? n/t

[uriel1972]

18. Theatregoers?... nt

[Binkie The Clown]

22. What more proof do we need that open carry or concealed carry

are both a threat to innocent bystanders. That means you and me and anybody standing in line at the supermarket, the movie theater, or just walking down the street minding our own business. Gunslingers as a real a present danger to everybody.

[KT2000]

20. critical condition -

the poor woman. I hope she survives.

[tblue37]

21. This is the sort of thing that will start becoming even more common now

as all those sweeping open carry laws get passed and people start parading around with their guns no matter where they are.

[freeplessinseattle]

24. Update-suspect in custody, turned himself in. Said it was accidental

Which sounds like the only way they would have caught him-just saw an interview with a guy who was at a restaurant next door, saw the guy stumble in, drop his gun and go into the bathroom.

He said he told management he saw a guy drop a gun, but apparently they did nothing, or not quickly enough, the witness said he saw him stumble out the front door and thru the parking lot with his gun.

Then the police ran over in that direction, but too late.

[Mendocino]

27. Sarah Palin blames

Hilliary for this, you know BENGHAZI.

[freeplessinseattle]

28. I'm sure she would find a way! Just can't get away from the Benghazi curse. n/t

[deathrind]

29. The term...

"Accidental shooting" is an oxymoron. It makes about as much sense as saying "Accidental DUI"

[freeplessinseattle]

34. "Friendly fire" sure has a nice ring to it though, doesn't it? n/t

[deathrind]

37. Another fine example...

of a twisted vernacular.

[SwankyXomb]

61. Rather than accidental, the word is negligent.

[Jerry442]

30. Notice how this incident is lightyears away from the imagined "Good Guy with a Gun" scenario.

Everybody is startled, disoriented, unsure of what happened. Shooter is never IDed until later. Makes those Deadeye Dicks who fantasize about taking down the shooter with a shot to his gun arm look like the bunch of idiots they are.

[CharlotteVale]

33. So true!

[freeplessinseattle]

35. No one even ran after him, it was such a slow response, relative to what they imagine

Reality is light years different for sure

[Fumesucker]

36. Run after a man with a gun who just shot someone?

That doesn't seem like a particularly prudent course of action.

[freeplessinseattle]

39. Neither is trying to act like a hero with a gun, is it?

Then again, I can only speak for myself as someone who would hope I would have the wherewithal to follow him to ID his car, but then again I might be paralyzed wetting myself

[CharlotteVale]

32. Accidentally my ass. Drunk asshole with a gun is a murder

waiting to happen.

[KG]

41. the daily heartwarming responsible ammosexual story

yay guns.

[ileus]

42. Rule #1 in self defense, stay alert.

Either Drink or Carry....you can't do both.




No doubt he had some kind of shitty IWB holster and had been sold a line of BS on how only Glocks make great SD firearms.

[Major Nikon]

48. Sure, because it's entirely possible to stay alert all the time

Guns do not make people safer. They always make people less safe. Promoting the idea that there's somehow a safe way to do something that's inherently unsafe to begin with even in the best of circumstances doesn't make much sense. The more people carry guns around with them, the more "accidental" shootings there will be. It's a very simple cause and effect relationship.

[aikoaiko]

43. Looks like we know he was a bad guy with a gun even before he shot the woman.

In most states it is illegal to be intoxicated and carry a fire arm, licensed or not.

Do we know if he was licensed to carry?

[B Calm]

44. Is he behind bars? What are the charges?

[malaise]

45. If you are drunk with a loaded firearm

It is not a fugging accident - it is criminal negligence.

Fuck the gun humpers

[MH1]

63. Which basically means, if you own a gun and are going to drink,

first make sure the gun is unloaded and you will be unlikely to load it successfully while drunk.

There are so many cascading responsibilities with actually being a "responsible gun owner". I'm sure there are a few who can handle it, but the average Trump-supporting reality-show-watching numbutz just isn't going to manage it.

The problem is, that when they fail, it is usually someone else who is hurt or killed.

[tanyev]

50. Wannabe good guy with a gun tragically discovers he's a dumb ass with a gun.

[underpants]

51. Who issued the "stand down" order that allowed him to escape?

Come on Trey Gowdy, what are you waiting for?

[Odin2005]

53. I tend to be on the side of gun rights, but...

...I also think that places are also allowed to ban guns on their property and these gun nuts demanding their rights to carry guns everywhere are fucking stupid.

[alarimer]

55. This is why gun owners should have to buy insurance

And they should be required to pay medical expenses of those they injure, in addition to criminal penalties.

We talk a lot about gun deaths, which are close to the number of deaths from car accidents, but we rarely consider the cost to society of injuries.

This woman, if she survives, faces a lifetime of damage. People don't always recover to 100%. Often they suffer for years or may be paralyzed. And they or their personal insurance company covers the cost, which may be in the millions. Why do we not hold gun owners responsible for this damage?

[JanMichael]

56. why has this dipshit not been named yet?

9:30ish est.

he is 29 years old and a fucking coward.

i hope his daddy pistol whips him with the gun he should have never owned.

[maxsolomon]

60. so, how did the gun go off?

he had to take the safety off, and pull the trigger, right? that's the only way a gun ever goes off, per DU's experts.

every accidental discharge is a crime, dick cheney.

and my wife wonders why we don't go to the cinema...

[In_The_Wind]

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