Noam Chomsky Says GOP Is 'Literally A Serious Danger To Human Survival’

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Noam Chomsky Says GOP Is 'Literally A Serious Danger To Human Survival’
The MIT professor and noted author said "strategic voting" can keep Republican candidates away from the levers of power.



Noam Chomsky, the noted radical and MIT professor emeritus, said the Republican Party has become so extreme in its rhetoric and policies that it poses a “serious danger to human survival.”

“Today, the Republican Party has drifted off the rails,” Chomsky, a frequent critic of both parties, said in an interview Monday with The Huffington Post. “It’s become what the respected conservative political analysts Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein call ‘a radical insurgency’ that has pretty much abandoned parliamentary politics.”

Chomsky cited a 2013 article by Mann and Ornstein published in Daedalus, the journal of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, analyzing the polarization of the parties. The authors write that the GOP has become “ideologically extreme, scornful of facts and compromise, and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.”

Chomsky said the GOP and its presidential candidates are “literally a serious danger to decent human survival” and cited Republicans' rejection of measures to deal with climate change, which he called a “looming environmental catastrophe.” All of the top Republican presidential candidates are either outright deniers, doubt its seriousness or insist no action should be taken -- “dooming our grandchildren,” Chomsky said.


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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/noam-chomsky-gop_us_56a66febe4b0d8cc109aec78

[SamKnause]

1. I agree.

I have been saying the same thing for quite some time.

[Hayduke Bomgarte]

4. So have I

Since Rayguns firing of the air traffic controllers, and my Dad's subsequent explanation, to me, of the possible/likely ramifications and motivations thereof. What he said was spot on, but just the tip of the iceberg.

[Ghost Dog]

2. Question: How easy would it be for Trump to trump

Constitution/laws/custom to declare himself President For Life, were he to be (s)elected once?

Via ongoing States of Emergency &/or War for example.

Could a GOP House (and MSM) approve such?

[certainot]

25. sure, like everything else the GOP gets away with, all they need

is 1200 coordinated radio stations.

it's just a classic coordinated think tank-fed PSYOPS, with at least 1/4 of those stations parasitizing 90+ major universities! without those university logos to help them sell their global warming denial and other crap the whole thing would fall apart, and so would the limbaugh/trump/cruz/teabag GOP

but it's wonderfully successful because the left and dems ignore it.

[Ghost Dog]

67. Perilous to ignore.

[Katashi_itto]

3. So is our Oligarch Cannidate. She would just make it a slower one. Fast death with GOP,

Slow with an Oligarch

[yardwork]

7. Bullshit, and frankly, this kind of post makes you look ridiculous.

[Katashi_itto]

9. If you say so. It's my opinion. Either, A bullet to the head or, death by a thousand papercuts.

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That's who we have to choose from.

[yardwork]

10. Oh, the drama.

[Katashi_itto]

11. Guess you don't hold to what Norm Chomsky is talking about either.

[yardwork]

12. On the contrary, I agree with him. I bothered to read what he said.

If Chomsky believed that Hillary Clinton is just as bad as the Republican Party, he would have said so.

[Katashi_itto]

13. I didnt say she was as bad. I said the results with her would be the same. Just Slower.

[Orrex]

14. What might Sanders do to stop that?

Please be specific. Thanks.

[Katashi_itto]

15. What might Hillary do to stop it?

Please be specific. Thanks.

[SammyWinstonJack]

17. Hehe.

[Orrex]

18. I made no claim to that end.

Since you assert Clinton as ultimately the same as the GOP, though slower, I inferred that you believe that Sanders would be different. That he would, in effect, stop the slide.

If that's not the case (i.e., if you don't believe that Sanders would be different or that he would stop the slide), then I guess you're off the hook.


I frankly don't believe that Sanders would stop it, since he certainly won't get a compliant Congress even if he manages to get into the Whitehouse.

[Katashi_itto]

21. I havent said anything about Sanders. Another words you got nothing that Hillary would do.

[Orrex]

22. And you've got nothing that Sanders would do, so where does that leave us?

[Katashi_itto]

23. Not once have I talked about Sanders. What is the leading Dem candidate, Hillary going to do?

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[Orrex]

34. Why are you asking me? I've made no claims about her strategy.

And from what I read endlessly on DU's front page, Sanders is the leading Dem. Which is correct?

[Katashi_itto]

35. Not talking about Sanders. What is hillary going to do? You have nothing do you?

[Orrex]

39. Who the fuck are you, and why the fuck should I answer you?

Why, in fact, should I answer to any Sanders supporter, since they've been ignoring that question for months? They simply post messianic memes about their beloved candidate while telling us that we're all afraid of him. Bullshit!

And if you think that's a straw man, that's your problem. The accusations of fear appear daily on DU's front page.

Sanders' supporters love to claim that Clinton is equivalent to a Republican. That claim is bullshit, of course, but they
love to claim it, possibly because they've convinced themselves that it's clever.

If that claim is true, then please explain why Republicans hate her and have been attacking her for decades? If she's one of their own, then surely they would support her bid for the Whitehouse, because then they could sneak a stealth-Republican in under the radar. How do you account for this contradiction? Don't feel bad if you can't answer, because no other Sanders supporter can answer it either. Of course, Sanders' supporters don't bother to defend their wild accusations; they simply post them and then demand that others defend against them.

For that matter, if Clinton is indeed a Republican, then she'll have no problem getting her agenda through Congress, so your question is absurd.

[Katashi_itto]

43. So...you ask me the question and then get upset when we find you can't answer simple questions

about this candidate you support.

Now's it's a rant of why answer any questions from ANY sanders supporter....along with nice sprinkling of logical fallacies.

You represent a what a Clinton Supporter is about? Wow.


So....

You got nothing do you?

[Orrex]

62. No, I get tired of bullshit from Sanders' cheerleaders

When not one of them has answered the question for months, and they instead insist that someone else answer a question first, I call bullshit.

But I don't care, as long as you vote for Clinton in November.


See you at the polls, maybe, but not until then.

[Katashi_itto]

63. Still can't answer anything huh?

As for voting Clinton.....well you figure it out.

Personally, not once has a Clinton Supporter given me any kind of a straight answer why I should be voting for her.

Except perhaps the Lesser of two evils meme, and guess what, that doesn't cut it anymore.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

26. This one is on you

What will Sanders do... Are you really asking this question?

If so, you have not listened to him.

[Orrex]

33. I've heard his long list of bright promises, yes

As for how he plans to get it through Congress? Well, he's been pretty vague about that.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

36. I am putting together the picture for those that do not understand

watch for the post tonight


It is what he can do that she will not even try

Hint - fox and the hen house - many many jobs that will need to be filled - who will get these?

[muriel_volestrangler]

47. "Chomsky said if he lived in a swing state, he’d vote for Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton"

That's in the article, which you plainly haven't read. You are talking complete bullshit, for petty primary reasons. You are ignoring the obvious fact that Hillary acknowledges the existence of climate change, which is what the thread's about, and wants to stop it.

Yes, you are making a complete fool of yourself in this thread.

[Katashi_itto]

49. I never said anything about Clinton denying climate change. You're embarrassing yourself.

[muriel_volestrangler]

50. Since the thread is about GOP climate change denial, and you said Hillary was the same as the GOP

you are wrong. You then tried to invoke Chomsky's opinion, digging your hole further.

Please read articles before commenting on them in future.

[Katashi_itto]

51. This is over your head isn't it? I said nothing of the type. Please try to keep up.

[muriel_volestrangler]

54. "So is our Oligarch Cannidate. She would just make it a slower one. Fast death with GOP,"

"Slow with an Oligarch"

Your post #3.

"Guess you don't hold to what Norm Chomsky is talking about either."

Your post #11.

Maybe you don't bother thinking about what you yourself post, either.

[Katashi_itto]

55. Where in any of that does it say she denies Climate change?

Maybe you've Comprehension problems?

[muriel_volestrangler]

58. Your thread hijack is not worth anyone's time (nt)

[Katashi_itto]

59. So why not answer my original question before you tried to hijack?

Karera wa sudeni hi busō no toki shōri wa kantandesu.

[ronnie624]

60. It says in the article

Chomsky considers the US political system a single party with two factions. The implication is clear.

[yardwork]

64. And he explicitly says to vote for Hillary Clinton.

[ronnie624]

66. "By no means should this be considered an endorsement of Clinton."

He says voters should vote for the Democratic nominee, which is very good advice.

[TIME TO PANIC]

31. Exactly!

That's what her campaign is promising. Minor tweaks, but basically business as usual, meanwhile the poor and middle class continue to see their quality of life diminish.

[malaise]

5. THIS

“ideologically extreme, scornful of facts and compromise, and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.”

[Fumesucker]

6. You could completely eliminate the GOP and it wouldn't change anything

The same people would still want the same things (basically everything) and would not stop for a moment in trying to get it.

The GOP is a symptom, the disease is far deeper.

[yardwork]

8. Nonsense.

[Fumesucker]

19. Your argument is persuasive

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Agreed

[rock]

27. What argument?

You stated an opinion and yardwork stated an opposing (and better) one

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. A lot of this dysfunciton is baked into the cake

the way the parties, both of them, work in Congress is a symptom, not the disease.

Part of it is human inabilty to see beyond their noses (or short term)

[Fumesucker]

40. Gaming things out well enough to be successful is hard enough in the shortish term

Long term? It literally surpasseth human understanding. Some things are obviously harmful, overuse of fossil fuels, overfishing, etc but there's a lot of other things that are killing us we don't even know about yet.

Bring on the alien invasion, it's the only thing likely to bring us together and even that won't bring everyone. Harry Turtledove's books about that are cynical as hell and I think he's closer to right than to wrong.

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. I played with that scenario of the alien threat

[Fumesucker]

45. Have you read The Colonel's Tiger?

One of the better of that genre, a longish short story prequel with a prequel.

http://www.rulit.me/books/the-man-kzin-wars-07-read-207243-1.html

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. after our active shooter scenario is over

I will... I think we are not going to the movies though.

[ronnie624]

44. +1

We absolutely must eliminate the quasi legal system of quid pro quo.

[TIME TO PANIC]

38. Yep, it's systemic.

The establishment of both parties are bought and paid for.

[muriel_volestrangler]

48. Chomsky disagrees with you. See #47. (nt)

[Fumesucker]

53. The people and ideology behind and driving the GOP aren't going away

I don't care what you call that force, it will still be there pushing for what it wants, the name is unimportant. All of history is playing whack a mole with their type of thinking being in the ascendant for most of it.

Harlan Ellison could write the script for this election.

I Have No Nose and I Must Vote For Democrats.

[muriel_volestrangler]

56. It is a problem specific to the American Republican party

The rest of the world understands about climate change, left or right. We may drag our feet about making the necessary changes because we love consumerism, but the denial of the science, and the funding of the denial effort, is overwhelmingly located in the GOP.

[Fumesucker]

61. Why on Earth do you think they are telling the truth about what they believe?

They lie about everything, I've backed them into a rhetorical corner and watched them flop like beached carp often enough to know they are lying and they know that I know.

[muriel_volestrangler]

65. Whether they believe their stated positions or not, they are the problem

Obama's stance at Paris had to be built around keeping them away from any decisions on climate change. Other countries didn't have to do that.

[Octafish]

20. Allen Dulles built CIA into Capitalism's Invisible Army for a reason...

...welfare for the wealthy. Today GOP is its prime protector, with a big assist from Friends in the Other Party.

DAVID TALBOT: Well, as I write in the book and as you just pointed out, all the practices that we are wrestling with as a country now, the intelligence and security measures—including, I might add, the legacy of the killing fields in Central America that your guest was just discussing, in Guatemala and so on—that all had its roots, not after 9/11, but during the Dulles era and the Cold War. He was a man who felt he was above the law. He felt that democracy was something that should not be left in the hands of the American people or its representatives. He was part of what the famous sociologist from the 1950s, C. Wright Mills, called the power elite. And he felt that he and his brother and those types of people should be running the country.

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/10/13/the_rise_of_americas_secret_government

Conspiracies In Action -- for the right cause.

[jalan48]

24. Look no further than the Bundy crowd if you want to see what right wing governing looks like.

[leftyladyfrommo]

28. Or Flint. nt

[ronnie624]

57. +1. n/t

[certainot]

30. can't be done without 1200 coordinated talk radio stations ignored by the left

and ironically, that MIC-coordinated PSYOPS could not survive without the help of these 90 universities, who rent their logos to 260+ limbaugh stations to help them attract advertisers and sell their global warming denial with credibility

ALABAMA 8 Auburn 3, Alabama 2, Southern Alabama 2, Troy 1
ARIZONA 2 Arizona St. 1, Arizona 1
ARKANSAS 3 Arkansas 3
CALIFORNIA 5 San Jose State 2, USC 2, Fresno St. 1
COLORADO 4 Air Force 2, Colorado 1, Colorado State 1
CONNECTICUT 1 Connecticut 1
FLORIDA 20 Florida 10, Florida St. 4 Miami 2, South Florida 2, Central Florida 2
GEORGIA 14 Georgia 7, Georgia Tech 5, Georgia Southern 2
IDAHO 7 Boise St. 4, Idaho 3
ILLINOIS 7 Illinois 7
INDIANA 11 Notre Dame 6, Purdue 4, Indiana 1
IOWA 5 Iowa 4, Iowa St. 1
KANSAS 4 Kansas St. 2, Kansas 1, Wichita St. 1
KENTUCKY 3 Louisville 2, Kentucky 1
LOUSIANA 3 LSU 2, La.-Monroe 1
MARYLAND 2 Maryland 2
MASSACHUSETTS 1 Boston College 1
MICHIGAN 19 Michigan St. 11, Michigan 7, Western Michigan 1
MINNESOTA 4 Minnesota 4
MISSISSIPPI 6 Mississippi St. 3, Mississippi 2, Southern Miss 1
MISSOURI 6 Missouri 6
NEBRASKA 6 Nebraska 6
NEVADA 1 Nevada 1
NEW JERSEY 2 Rutgers 1, Seton Hall 1
NEW MEXICO 3 New Mexico 2, New Mexico St. 1
NEW YORK 7 Syracuse 6, Army 1
NORTH CAROLINA 16 North Carolina 8, North Carolina State 3, Duke 3, East Carolina 2
OHIO 10 Ohio St. 6, Toledo 1, Dayton 1, Bowling Green 1, Xavier 1
OKLAHOMA 5 Oklahoma St. 3, Oklahoma 1, Oral Roberts 1
OREGON 12 Oregon St. 7, Oregon 5
PENNSYLVANIA 14 Penn St. 11, Pittsburgh 2, Temple 1
SOUTH CAROLINA 4 South Carolina 2, Clemson 2
TENNESSEE 7 Tennessee 4, Memphis 3
TEXAS 16 Texas A&M 9, Texas Tech 4, Texas 1, Texas Christian 1, Baylor 1
UTAH 1 Utah St. 1
VIRGINIA 6 Virginia Tech 5, Virginia 1
WASHINGTON 6 Washington 5, Washington St. 1
WEST VIRGINIA 2 West Virginia 1, Marshall 1
WISCONSIN 4 Wisconsin 4

[Fumesucker]

42. Instead of just putting up the list tell people what they can do.. Make it an OP

If everyone reading DU did this regularly we could cut down on those numbers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002374653

[blackspade]

32. Chomsky kicks ass as usual.

[tabasco]

37. Anybody who's ever read the 'Dead Zone' by Stephen King,

or understands the consequences of global nuclear war already know this.

[underpants]

52. Marking for later read