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Hillary Clinton Emails: Secret Negotiations With New York Times, Trade Bill Lobbying Revealed In Latest State Department ReleaseAn email Oct. 8, 2011, to Clinton from her aide Huma Abedin gave notes about the state of play in Congress on the proposed trade pacts. The notes provided Clinton some background before you make the calls to legislators.
Two days later in an email titled FTA calls, Clinton wrote to aides indicating she had spoken to Sens. Jack Reed of Rhode Island and Jim Webb of Virginia, both Democrats. She told the aides she had talked with Webb who is strong in favor of all 3 trade agreements, and then asked, So why did I call him? indicating she was otherwise phoning to try to convince wavering lawmakers to support the deals.
Only three years earlier, Clinton wooed organized labor during her presidential campaign with promises to oppose those same deals. She called the South Korea agreement inherently unfair. She also said, I will do everything I can to urge the Congress to reject the Colombia Free Trade Agreement. Clinton has lately courted organized labors support for her current presidential bid by pledging to oppose the 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement, a deal she repeatedly touted while secretary of state.
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Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)...she's just another Third Way corporatist.
No. Fucking. Thanks.
PeterGM
(71 posts)"Other emails show Clinton appearing to personally lobby her former Senate Democratic colleagues to support free trade agreements (FTAs) with Panama, South Korea and Colombia. She had previously told voters she would work to block the South Korean and Colombian pacts."
This is going to hurt her badly in blue collar union states... I fear for Clinton that some of her private speeches are going to get "leaked" very soon and that will probably sink her campaign. She has trying to paint herself as Sanders lite, instead of running as a pragmatic centrist and now that these neoliberal centrist positions are catching up to her, she just looks even more untrustworthy, which is her single biggest problem...
I am starting to wonder if she's even a good politician... Don't get me wrong, she's extreme effective, but as far as elections go she's aweful. In 2008 she lost to a complete rooky but seriously charming and fantastic orator. This time she's up against a much more experienced and vetted candidate, but without the charm and oratory skills (which don't really seem to matter much in this election)... So she's done imo.
Tin foil hat time:
I think this part is the reason why they delayed the emails from the release feb 1... If this had come out then she would certainly have lost Nevada, a heavy union state.
awake
(3,226 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Not surprised at all.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)"She's been vetted!"
Yes, she's been put through the wringer because she's a lying weasel. The problem is...she continues to be a lying weasel. Controversy will always follow her because she doesn't stop being a corrupt liar who finds new ways to get into trouble.
Look at the controversy that is only beginning with the Clinton Foundation. Talk about being unvetted. The little I've read about 2 scandals is outrageous. You just know that foundation is a petri dish for scandals--corporations paying money for access and favors. The Boeing deal should be enough to shut it down.
And her Wall Street speeches and money taken from powerful financial interests, health-insurance companies and the for-profit prison system.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)I mean, I guess it is in a way, but a bad way.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)I don't know how many times the cops have pulled him in for questioning. He's only been sent up twice, though. Also, I'm not supporting him for president either.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Other emails show Clinton seeming to personally lobby her former Democratic colleagues in the Senate to support free trade agreements (FTAs) with Colombia, Panama and South Korea. She had previously told voters she would work to block the Colombian and South Korean pacts.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Former Michigan Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm, a top executive at pro-Clinton Super PAC Correct the Record, told MSNBC that Clinton opposed the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), President Obamas trade deal with a dozen Asian countries, because of her opposition to outsourcing.
She doesnt want to be party to the continual offshoring of American jobs, Granholm said. She has seen that. Thats what she saw when she was representing New York up in Buffalo when they lost jobs.
However, as a senator, Clinton played a key role in bringing outsourcing companies to Buffalo. She helped Tata Consulting, an Indian company, set up an office in the struggling upstate New York city.
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Jackilope
(819 posts).... but she sure can play two sides, can't she?
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Anybody here think she's actually for universal healthcare?
Anybody here think she's actually for peace and stability in the Middle East--and less war?
Anybody actually think she's going to break up the banks?
Anybody actually think she's going to raise the minimum wage?
Anybody actually think she's not going to surround herself with neocon warmongers--knowing that she hand picked Robert Kagan, the founder of the neocon movement to be one of her foreign-policy advisers while she was SOS?
Anybody actually think that she won't start a war with Iran?
Anybody actually think that she isn't going to punish the hell out of Progressives, if she gets any power, knowing what we did to her precious coronation?
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Wasn't sure if there was an elegant way, so I just copied & pasted to a new thread there.
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)an open fire hydrant.
PeterGM
(71 posts)If Hillary ran as a centrist, on the actual issues that she supports and made a case for them (And there are a ton of good arguments for international free trade deals, Campaign Financing, Financial deregulation, harsh sentencing - I chose these because they are the most obvious she has completely flipped on just for this primary), then Bernie Sanders supporters wouldn't be outraged if they lost, because then you lose the war of ideas. However, when you run as Sanders-lite on positions you have NO record of ever supporting and spread misinformation to uninformed voters, that is when people get mad.
Sanders has some questionable things in his record, such as immunity to gun manufacturers and gun shops. But instead of peddling crap, Sanders has owned up to his positions and explained why he supported them.
This is the reason why Clinton's honesty is in the tank, because the internet exists in 2016 (shocker I know) and so does the google. And when you run a 3 second fact check it doesn't look good.
This is why there is the gigantic age gap in supporters: It's people who can Google vs people that can't:
18-45: Sanders, 45-Dead: Clinton.