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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFor history buffs: has any past presidential election been that murky?
Let's assume the final contenders will be Hillary vs Trump:
- Trump is openly disavowed by the two past GOP candidates, Romney and McCain
- Hillary ,under a FBI probe over her e-mails, has been reviled by part of Bernie voters
Hence my question: has there ever been an American presidential election where both contenders were so contested within their own ranks?
And if not, is it a reflection of deeply troubled and uncertain times?
(2008 crisis still underway, Europe debt and refugee crises, world jihad,..)
rurallib
(62,411 posts)RKP5637
(67,107 posts)Albertoo
(2,016 posts)RKP5637
(67,107 posts)rational thinking seem to have flown the coop. Certainly the democrats are not as bad as the republicans, but the devouring of candidates is deplorable.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)My guess is yes. In un-academic terms, everywhere I look, I see countries up shit creek.
RKP5637
(67,107 posts)and the ripples cover the pond. Exactly as you say, countries up shit creek.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)the 1980 carter-kennedy fight was not much fun either
there has been much turbulence in this process before, and chances are most of bernie supporters will turn out for HRC. or vice versa (though the math looks highly unlikely)
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)And we ended up with Tricky Dick.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)But the FBI probe on Hillary adds to the weird, heavy atmosphere
monmouth4
(9,694 posts)I was only five years old at the time. Dewey was convinced and so were the press that he had it sewn up. Oh my
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)They told me they and their friends Bill & Gracie were standing in long lines to vote in 1948, and they were saying, "We know Harry Truman, isn't gonna win, but we're voting for him anyway!"
He won.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)There had been a schism in the Republican Party in 1908 which weakened the Republicans and created the National Progressive Republican League though that didn't past. Then in 1912 Taft got the nomination from the Republicans, Roosevelt split to form the Bull Moose Party, Woodrow Wilson was nominated as the Democratic candidate and Eugene Debs was the nominee of the Socialist Party. Wilson won 42% of the popular vote, while Roosevelt won 27%, Taft 23% and Debs 6%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1912
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)(WWI was brewing)
charlie and algernon
(13,447 posts)Four different people won electoral votes. And sadly, we may be heading to Civil War II if Trump gets in and even attempts to do the stuff he's proposing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1860
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)Thanks anyway, 1860 and 1912 both fit the bill
longship
(40,416 posts)It was literally a bloodbath in Chicago, while Mayor Daley sat smugly in his seat on the convention floor and ignored it all.
I remember Dan Rather that night.
And yup, that's anchor Walter Cronkite who gets cut off saying, "We've got a bunch of thugs here..."
"The whole world's watching! THE WHOLE WORLD'S WATCHING! THE WHOLE WORLD'S WATCHING!" being chanted outside the convention by thousands while the Chicago Police thugs pummeled them with night sticks. Here's some of that, if you can take it: (I think this is the right one)
I would say that qualifies, don't you?
Angel Martin
(942 posts)Andrew Jackson won the presidency leading a breakaway faction of the Democratic Republicans to form the Democratic Party.
During the campaign, Jackson was attacked for bigamy, mistreatment of slaves, execution of deserters, duelling, and indian massacres.
Jackson was also denounced as a vulgar, drunken demagogue, and his followers as an uncivilized rabble.
Quincy Adams led what remained of the Democratic Republicans. He was was derided as a silk stocking elitist, a tool of bankers, a Protectionist, a supporter of wasteful gov't spending, and a pimp who procured American women for foreign monarchs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1828
Intra party divisions and nasty campaigns are nothing new.
Stinky The Clown
(67,792 posts)I saw how you did that, make an equivalency between Trump and Clinton.
Nice work.
I really wish you'd just go away. We have enough trouble without this sort of bullshit.
And to be clear, I am NEITHER a Clinton nor Sanders supporter. Either one is fine by me.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)My point was emphatically NOT an equivalency between Clinton and Trump. It's so obviously not true I hardly need to elaborate. The "they're all the same" is the usual mantra of far right populists (not very far from what Trump says, actually).
No. I was merely noting that both candidacies are troubled, Trump's more markedly so than Hillary's. My thread was merely echoing/generalizing the title of one of yesterday's BBC articles asking if the Brexit conundrum and the Trump candidacy were signs of volatile times. And the answers I got (1912, 1860) tend to confirm my hunch.
In short, I think we are in pre-upheaval times, dwarfing regular R/Dem differences.