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One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 12:25 AM Jun 2012

Has Jon Stewart completely sold out?

He has Thomas Mann and Norm Ornstein on the show tonight and all Stewart did was make excuses for Republican obstruction in congress.

Plus he used clips of Richard Dawson in a bit and didn't acknowledge the man has just died.

Stewart has become a real disappointment of late.

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Has Jon Stewart completely sold out? (Original Post) One of the 99 Jun 2012 OP
The ministry of ideological purity should exile him to Siberia! nt Speck Tater Jun 2012 #1
Yes! Marrah_G Jun 2012 #46
doesn't everyone anyway ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #2
This subject comes up a lot when talking about musical acts... Iggo Jun 2012 #35
No, I don't think so. boxman15 Jun 2012 #3
I saw both Stewart and Leno.... physioex Jun 2012 #4
I didn't mind the "Polish That Turd" bit. One of the 99 Jun 2012 #11
Meh, I think he hits more than he misses OriginalGeek Jun 2012 #5
Guess I'll have to wait till I can see it for myself. xfundy Jun 2012 #6
Go watch the interview One of the 99 Jun 2012 #8
++++1000 Champion Jack Jun 2012 #16
He took on the kill list and the drone strikes the other night. woo me with science Jun 2012 #7
So? One of the 99 Jun 2012 #19
Well, you used the word "completely." Orsino Jun 2012 #21
No I was commenting on the segment last night. One of the 99 Jun 2012 #24
... woo me with science Jun 2012 #30
I feel fine One of the 99 Jun 2012 #38
So: 100% sold out on two percent of issues? n/t Orsino Jun 2012 #43
Absolutely. Totally. 100 percent. onenote Jun 2012 #9
You Obviously Didn't LIsten To What Was Being Said... KharmaTrain Jun 2012 #10
I agree both Mann and Ornstein were excellent One of the 99 Jun 2012 #12
He Plays Devil's Advocate... KharmaTrain Jun 2012 #13
I saw the Chris Hayes interview One of the 99 Jun 2012 #18
Different Perspectives... KharmaTrain Jun 2012 #23
True, Stewart is a comedian One of the 99 Jun 2012 #25
this must be the first time you've watched him interview then.. Viva_La_Revolution Jun 2012 #29
No I've watched him for years One of the 99 Jun 2012 #33
I watched too, and I just didn't get that. nt Viva_La_Revolution Jun 2012 #37
Oh, for fucks sake. A HERETIC I AM Jun 2012 #14
yes, I agree. CBGLuthier Jun 2012 #15
Not because he wasn't partisan enough One of the 99 Jun 2012 #17
I guess you're going to have to find something else to watch for a half hour at night.. snooper2 Jun 2012 #27
+1. Besides, Stewart is a comedian first and foremost. Auggie Jun 2012 #36
He's an entertainer, of course he sold out. He sold his soul years ago in exchange Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #20
Maybe I expected more from Stewart One of the 99 Jun 2012 #22
And don't forget he's a multi-millionaire himself. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #26
If he'd 'sold out', he wouldn't have had them as guests. Marr Jun 2012 #28
Stewart sold out in November of 2004. BlueIris Jun 2012 #31
Just as I find Ed Schultz loud, obnoxious, annoying at grossly misinformed at times... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #32
whaaaaat? Demonaut Jun 2012 #34
Jon just got the memo goclark Jun 2012 #39
I like Stewart brettdale Jun 2012 #40
no obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #41
No. nt redwitch Jun 2012 #42
(sigh) DainBramaged Jun 2012 #44
I think Stewart is great Marrah_G Jun 2012 #45
Ridiculous. lonestarnot Jun 2012 #47
LOL WilliamPitt Jun 2012 #48
No, he's just one guy. JHB Jun 2012 #49
You are not paying attention,if you think this. Swede Jun 2012 #50
I've seen Mann and Ornstein on several other shows One of the 99 Jun 2012 #51

Iggo

(47,561 posts)
35. This subject comes up a lot when talking about musical acts...
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:21 AM
Jun 2012

...and I think the same answer applies:

They sold out before you ever heard of them.

(EDIT: Oops. I meant this as a reply to the OP. But it works here, too.)

boxman15

(1,033 posts)
3. No, I don't think so.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 12:33 AM
Jun 2012

His "Polish That Turd" bit wasn't that funny and put all the blame on the bad jobs report on the president. I think he occasionally does these bits to prove he's not a liberal ideologue (which he's not), but I doubt he believes the president is solely to blame for the economic numbers.

With Mann and Ornstein, I think he was just asking questions some viewers might've asked. "Haven't Democrats been obstructionist before?" "Why are Republicans now different?" It didn't sound to me like he was endorsing those sentiments at all, but he was simply asking the questions so they could answer.

I do agree he's been a little disappointing lately, though. His Diamond Jubilee sketch with John Oliver was the hardest I've laughed on The Daily Show in a long time. From 2007-2011 he was on fire and couldn't be stopped, but he's slowed down a bit and been a lot more inconsistent lately. That was bound to happen.

Colbert, meanwhile, has been the funniest he's ever been lately. I highly recommend his show (if you don't watch). He mocks the right ruthlessly and his critiques of the left or of the president feel genuine and not forced as Stewart's critiques of Obama have felt lately.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
11. I didn't mind the "Polish That Turd" bit.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 08:29 AM
Jun 2012

While the joke was worn out quickly, I thought it was an honest satire on how politicians try to spin bad news. I problem with it was using clips of Richard Dawson and not acknowledging that the man had just died.

As far as the Mann and Ornstein segment, it was more of just asking questions a viewer might ask. Maybe it was just me but he seemed truely skeptical of what they were saying.

xfundy

(5,105 posts)
6. Guess I'll have to wait till I can see it for myself.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 01:01 AM
Jun 2012

But your early characterization set it up well, if you hate or want to obfuscate the truth.

Nice try!

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
8. Go watch the interview
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 08:21 AM
Jun 2012

Stewart was the one trying obfuscate the truth by pushing back hard on Mann and Orenstein.

onenote

(42,715 posts)
9. Absolutely. Totally. 100 percent.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 08:24 AM
Jun 2012

He's a clone of Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity.

Next?


(only because I know its necessary for some people)

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
10. You Obviously Didn't LIsten To What Was Being Said...
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 08:27 AM
Jun 2012

Mann was excellent...Ornstein says things few rushpublicans would dare...including that it's been an organized effort to obstruct President Obama and how super partisan things have gotten.

Most news channels have been avoiding these two cause they speak truths that work against the narratives of the political parties and the corporate media. Kudos to Jon for having them on!

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
12. I agree both Mann and Ornstein were excellent
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 08:31 AM
Jun 2012

But Stewart was pushing back hard on what they were saying.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
13. He Plays Devil's Advocate...
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 08:39 AM
Jun 2012

He threw out the talking points and Mann and Ornstein chewed them up. He did a similar interview with them as did Chris Hayes on Sunday morning. The right wing talking points won't go away if we ignore them...hopefully some of the viewers had their eyes opened.

Cheers...

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
18. I saw the Chris Hayes interview
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:36 AM
Jun 2012

and it was totally different. Stewart's whole additude was that he didn't believe them.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
23. Different Perspectives...
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:55 AM
Jun 2012

...and I respect what you say. I saw it as both interviews showed how the rushpublicans have gone out of their way to obstruct this President...flipping 180 on previous positions and being coopted by the big money and teabaggers. Its just a matter of style. Hayes is a reporter, Stewart's a comedian...I'm glad they both had these men on. I'm in the process of reading the book...it's turning out to be a primer on how the rushpublicans went off the political abyss...

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
25. True, Stewart is a comedian
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:59 AM
Jun 2012

but he wasn't making jokes. He whole additude was 'well don't both sides do it'.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
29. this must be the first time you've watched him interview then..
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:27 AM
Jun 2012

That's his style. I've been watching him his whole career, he asks questions that way when he knows exactly what the answer is. It's very effective, if you actually pay attention.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
33. No I've watched him for years
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:48 AM
Jun 2012

And sometimes his style is to joke around, sometimes his style is more sincere and direct. In this case his style was very skeptical.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,371 posts)
14. Oh, for fucks sake.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 08:50 AM
Jun 2012

You think he has "sold out" because he wasn't appearing to be liberal enough for YOU, right?

Jesus H. Christ on a cracker.

More and more, this place leaves me shaking my head

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
17. Not because he wasn't partisan enough
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:34 AM
Jun 2012

but because he was pushing back hard on what they were saying. These are two non-partisan scholars and Stewart's whole manner was that the was completely skeptical of them. He was playing the old 'both sides are just as bad game'.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
27. I guess you're going to have to find something else to watch for a half hour at night..
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:15 AM
Jun 2012

Maybe Real Housewives of NYC?

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
20. He's an entertainer, of course he sold out. He sold his soul years ago in exchange
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:41 AM
Jun 2012

for the fame and fortune he got. Why are people always so surprised when they find out the real person is nothing like the character in their TV?

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
22. Maybe I expected more from Stewart
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:54 AM
Jun 2012

But since his rally last year he seems to be pushing the 'both sides are just as bad' meme. This interview was another example of that. When he had Robert Draper on a few weeks ago, he never asked about the GOP meeting on the night of the inauguration where they plotted to obstruct everything the President proposed.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
28. If he'd 'sold out', he wouldn't have had them as guests.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:18 AM
Jun 2012

That's what the rest of the media is suddenly doing-- just ignoring them all of a sudden.

BlueIris

(29,135 posts)
31. Stewart sold out in November of 2004.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:36 AM
Jun 2012

When he chose to continue to run the Daily Show as if nothing had happened re: election fraud, fascism, etc. I could not get through even one more episode of TDS after that month.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
32. Just as I find Ed Schultz loud, obnoxious, annoying at grossly misinformed at times...
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:40 AM
Jun 2012

I find the same thing with Jon Stewart. He tries way too hard to be "fair" to the Republicans when they are the ones who are destroying this country. And he still thinks that "it happens on both sides," even after Rachel Maddow took him to task. When he was on her show and wasn't making any sense at all, she just nodded, but she knew that he had him.

Jon Stewart is not a journalist or a newscaster. He is a commentator and a comedian. What scares me, however, is that many young people watch and listen to him and may be influenced by him.

On the other hand, your complaint is no different than what we see here on DU: quick to blame Democrats FIRST while letting the Republicans off the hook. That is what Republicans want you to do.

At least Bill Maher gets it:

Is it treason to purposefully block any help for the economy so voters blame the president and turn to the other party? Just asking. - Bill Maher

brettdale

(12,383 posts)
40. I like Stewart
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:22 PM
Jun 2012

I just dont like the way he claps like a trained circus seal and giggles like a little kid,
every time he has Oreilly on.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
44. (sigh)
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 10:13 AM
Jun 2012

There is a special button on you TeeVee. If you disapprove of Mr. Stewart, please feel free to use it. He wll go POOF just like you want him to.




Have you stopped by your food pantry lately to help? Just asking.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
49. No, he's just one guy.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 10:31 AM
Jun 2012

One guy will never be everything we'd like. I want more, with more variety, but for now we have Stewart, and his shortcomings are a molehill next to a mountain of good.

Swede

(33,262 posts)
50. You are not paying attention,if you think this.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 10:33 AM
Jun 2012

Mann and Ornstein have been ignored,glad they are getting some airtime.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
51. I've seen Mann and Ornstein on several other shows
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 11:15 AM
Jun 2012

So they are not being totally ignored by the media. The point is that Stewart pushed back on them. The only other person who did so more was Joe Scarborough. And to be fair he did so in a much more aggresive way than Stewart.

But it is not only this one interview. It his both sides are just has bad additude since his rally last year.

When he had Robert Draper on a few weeks ago, he never asked about the GOP meeting on the night of the inauguration where they plotted to obstruct everything the President proposed. That's a major revelation in Draper's book but Stewart ignored it.

A while back he had Jodi Kantor on and basically kissed her butt. A week earlier he did a segment going after FOX news for inaccuracies in their report about a White House halloween party for Veteran's families. But the basis of that report was Jodi Kantor's book, so she was responsible for those inaccuracies, not FOX. Yet when he had her on he never even brought it up.

So it is not just the one interview with Mann and Ornstein, it was just the latest incident.

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