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HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 12:31 PM Mar 2016

Use It Or Lose It; WI bill targets FRUGAL users of food assistance

Laurel White

Wisconsin Public Radio

A bill targeting high balances on Wisconsin food stamp accounts passed a state Senate committee on a party line vote Wednesday.

Under the plan, FoodShare accounts that go untouched for six months would be wiped clean of all benefits. To regain access to benefits, participants would be allowed to request reactivation of their account or reapply for the program.

The bill also allows the state to take away all benefits that are more than a year old, even if an account is still in use.

The bill’s sponsor, Rep. Andre Jacque, R-De Pere, cited an investigative report from a Green Bay television station as the impetus for the legislation. The report found that some FoodShare recipients have balances as high as $14,000.

Jacque has said the bill removes "temptation to fraud" and ensures that benefits don’t go unused.

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http://www.superiortelegram.com/news/wisconsin/3978312-state-would-take-back-money-high-balance-food-stamp-accounts-under-gop-bill

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WhiteTara

(29,715 posts)
1. With assistance about $200-300 a month
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 02:09 PM
Mar 2016

that balance figure seems really high.z Maybe benefits are extremely generous.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
2. Apparently those balances belong to "some", I read that as few and extreme examples.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:01 PM
Mar 2016

The majority of people don't 'accrue' account balances at all, and the benefits aren't really extremely generous. It's actually quite difficult to know if these people exist anymore than Reagans 'young bucks' buying beef filets with food stamps.

Cynicism in this case is heightened because, we are considering a bill put forward by a republican who wants to 'shrink government' which is a dog-whistle for "shrink government benefits to minorities".

Frankly, I don't have any problem with the state taking back balances that aren't used in a few months. There are many people who need help and not enough money to go around. But,the thing I have a problem with is that people who are frugal and don't spend -all- the benefits they are offered are to be kicked completely out of the foodshare program.

Basically kicked off the program because they've done thr great wrong of -not spending- a benefit they are shamed and stigmatized for taking in the first place

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
3. Why would you not use your food stamps each month
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:04 PM
Mar 2016

Mine never even last the month. If you don't need them, why take them?

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
5. I actually don't know, personally I suspect it may be a fantasy problem
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:25 PM
Mar 2016

But there may be some few people who for some reason or another don't completely consumer their benefits. One of the people commenting in the article suggest that some people buy in bulk and apparently use balances that roll over to be able to make such purchase. I don't know how common that is, either.

If a person ends up with money left over it can't be used for anything other than food and there is nothing placed in evidence to suggest recipients with balances have done anything devious with those unused balances...

Last year the legislature was greatly concerned about people using assistance to buy exotic foods avg hard-working Wisconsinites don't buy, such as seafood, cooked deli foods, and anything 'that can be eaten in the store'. One legislator wanted white potatoes. pasta and rice as a banned food items...because, doncha know, these staples of the American diet are "unhealthy".




 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
4. WTF is happening in Wisc. and when are the people going to rise up and revolt?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:11 PM
Mar 2016

This is the kind of stupid shit that's supposed to happen in backward states like the one in which I live - W.Va. - not states like Wisconsin, with such a rich history of progressive leadership.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
6. History is called history because it exists only in the past.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 04:36 PM
Mar 2016

Wisconsin is now a new products test lab for A.L.E.C.

Since 2010 WI has found itself unable to rise up about anything but wasting money on people who aren't hard-working Americans who want to sell fracking sands.


 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
7. Oh, that is heavy, man.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:09 PM
Mar 2016

"History is called history because it exists only in the past."

I need to forward this to the philosophy departments at Harvard and Princeton so they can immediately start working on this revelation's deep implications for human society.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
10. I suppose that's my fault. But your question is asked almost everytime WI is mentioned
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:57 PM
Mar 2016

With Walker, the Fitzgeralds and our Koch conservative supreme court that's sometimes multiple times per week.

Consequently, after seriously answering that question many times, only to find that the person I explained my take on it really didn't give a shit about a thoughtful response it's hard to rise up and repeat it.

The historical truth is all that stuff about a Progressive WI is likely to be a view about the Wisconsin your grandfather knew.

Which is to say some time when a Democrat came to office without inheriting a budget crisis which takes us back before Ronald Reagan and the basic idea that the problem with government was it existed.

That means going back to the 1970's. And even then, that governor is the same guy whoin 2011 was campaign manager for supreme court justice David "the colleague strangler" Prosser. Which brings into question just how progressive he might have been.

Once upon a time WI had a progressive reputation. It was well deserved but it was earned in the early to mid 20th century and it faded in the last quarter of the 20th century under long term Gov Tommy Thompson who is the guy who brought WI out as a test market for ALEC white papers. Thompson's personal favorite was taxpayer subsidy by voucher for private schools.

Why don't we rise up? Well, Wisconsin dems have a peculiar although not entirely uncommon voting pattern...large parts of the WI party base tend to not to vote in anything but national elections (which, btw, is likely why our gubernatorial elections were moved so that they don't occur in step with that cycle). The reason that part of the Dem base doesn't pull its weight and turn out to vote in local and state elections is because voting has never made much of a difference to the lives of WI urban minorities. Most Americans remember our mythic Progressive history and are unaware that racial prejudice and discrimination in WI are among the strongest and worst in the nation The effect of that is very depressed voting except in general elections.

So because of our GOTV pattern we can't rise up high enough to throw the bastards out. Even when we put half a million people on the capital square But curiously enough, we do show up for national elections and we tend to go for the nominee representing blue.

So if you only know Wisconsin, aka Wississippi, because of our presidential voting history or your great grandfather's stories about labor, socialist movements, great schools and public places you probably think we are a progressive state.

We are not.

We are a red state that goes for democratic presidential candidates, and those great public places? Privatized, or soon to be.



KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
8. I really have no problem with this.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:21 PM
Mar 2016

If someone is doing well enough they don't use their benefits anymore or if they've moved or passed away or whatever and FoodShare wasn't notified...... 6 months to a year is fair.

What it does is open up more funds for the people who do need the assistance. The law is providing a way for someone who needs benefits but for whatever reason didn't use them for 6 months to get it reinstated.

If there are accounts with $14000 sitting on it then someone either passed away, went to jail, or moved away. That's all I can figure.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
11. It's not that their accounts are inactive, it's that they carry a balance,
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:02 PM
Mar 2016

and the proposal isn't to just take back what's not used. The proposal is to drop them from the program and require them to submit a new application.

I don't have a problem with money that's not being used to be redistributed. There are certainly plenty of people with need. The issue is throwing people off the program.

It seems in WI if you use foodshare you are a lazy bastard who shouldn't be allowed to purchase seafood, but if you don't spend all your foodshare you are clearly cheating and don't need any assistance.

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