So, President Trump huh?

[Dawgs]

It's going to be a long four years.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

1. And why's that? nt

[Dawgs]

2. Um, because he will get the most votes in November.

Isn't that how it works?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

3. And what are the winning Powerball numbers going to be next week?

Also, by how many points are the Kansas City Chiefs going to win Super Bowl 51?

[KansDem]

5. I believe the OP was referring to polls showing Sanders will beat Trump; Clinton won't...

Like this one --

[Dawgs]

6. If you're talking about me, then no.

The polls aren't the reason he will win or lose.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

9. So he's going to seize power in a coup?

Should be interesting.

All hail Commandant Trump.

[Dawgs]

13. Polls aren't the same as votes.

You realize that, no?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

15. So then why are you predicting *votes* in November?

Again, what sort of sorcery do you practice that allows you to see the future like this?

[Dawgs]

18. I'm not allowed to make a prediction?

And opinion does not equal sorcery.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

25. Well, you're predicing Trump to win, but you're not basing it on polls.

You're saying it's based on votes but not a single vote has been cast for the general election.

So exactly how are you predicting it?

Is it one of those things where you put two names down by a tethered cow and whatever name the cow craps on, that's the winner?

[Dawgs]

27. No, I'm basing it on how I THINK people will vote.

And how many people I think will turn out.

Again, my opinion. It's okay if you think differently.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

31. ...........

[KansDem]

11. I stand corrected...

Or rather, "sit corrected" since I don't stand when I use a computer...

[Drunken Irishman]

10. lol a poll from December?

How about all these polls since that show Hillary crushing Trump?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

[KansDem]

23. Looks like Bill's campaigning is paying off...

Lloyd Blankfein is no doubt all atwitter.



President Clinton II...President Clinton II...!!!

[72DejaVu]

32. Your graph shows Hillary beating Trump

[KansDem]

64. Yes, I see that now...

But Sanders does such a better job.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

42. I believe that there was a more recent poll

that showed Clinton beating Trump too, so that argument is now moot- though I thought that the earlier hypothetical match up poll was a bit premature anyway.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. Your interlocutor also predicted Senator Sanders would carry the Peach State.

[Dawgs]

22. Who ever said Hillary would lose Georgia?

It certainly wasn't me.

[Sunlei]

4. He will never be President.

Have no Fear

[Dawgs]

7. Fine, but it definitely won't be the Democratic nominee. n/t

[Sunlei]

40. Ds will win, Trump's a gift from the Gods :P

[Dawgs]

41. Sounds more like wishful thinking than top notch analysis.

You might be right but it sure doesn't feel like it to me.

[stevenleser]

45. Yep, and I lay out one of the major reasons here...

http://steveleser.blogspot.com/2016/02/if-it-is-donald-trump-vs-hillary.html

[HughBeaumont]

8. You'll see a mobilization of Democratic voters like never before.

President Carnival Barker is NOT happening. If the party doesn't shoot it's own foot to save Congressional seating before that, Democrats are going to break poll records. We don't hate Hillary as much as we hate the idea of that reality show nutter making this nation a laughingstock.

[Dawgs]

16. Democrats make up about 29% of all voters.

It's the others that concern me.

[MisterP]

75. Coakley! Coakley! Coakley!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

78. a punch to the collective gut, and a dose of reality.

The real problem is that Hillary is a lousy campaigner. She really is. Given all the built in advantages, including a lapdog press, the DNC, and some truly suspect games played in primaries and Iowa, she should have had a cake walk. The fact that she did not, and that she will lose some large states coming up soon, that tells us something.

I don't even hope for a pleasant surprise from her, if by chance she manages to prevail against Trump (which I don't think she can). I had my hopes smashed often enough by the current president, who always sought compromise and a deal, rather standing up for principle. Just look at his Supreme Court nominee. Smart, nice, and a complete utter compromise on progressive issues.

If she wins, we have a tough, sad four years ahead of us. If she loses, we have an even worse four years ahead of us.

[UglyGreed]

12. Results

On Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:04 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

So, President Trump huh?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027687857

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Pushing Donald Trump as president on a Democratic forum is over the top.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:18 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Anti-Democratic propaganda has no place on DU.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is a Democratic board, we don't need to push for a Republican, it is time to stop the talking points like this.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: They aren't pushing president Trump, you dolt, they're lamenting him. Fuck me running, you people are touchy.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm scratching my head over this alert.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Disruptive, ott flame bait
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Well it could happen and IMO no one is pushing anything....in fact they seem to be fearful of Trump.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Dawgs]

17. Some don't like the truth I guess.

Thanks for posting.

[UglyGreed]

19. No problem

[randome]

35. You say it's the truth but then say it's just your opinion?

What?
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[Dawgs]

38. Ugh!

It's not hard to understand.

[whathehell]

61. Many here state their opinion as "fact", walking it back only when called on it.

It's an annoying little game.

[Dawgs]

65. Right. That's exactly what I did.

[whathehell]

68. Yes it is

What's funny is that you don't realize it.

[oberliner]

20. That's the spirit!

Give up before the election even begins - nice job.

[Dawgs]

26. It has nothing to do with giving up.

I've been around long enough to know exactly how this will end.

[restorefreedom]

21. if we can survive 8years with darth vadar at the helm,

we will get through this.

and while most do not like to hear this, he is actually quite centrist/left on many issues....campaign reform, non interventionism, single payer, no tpp. its why he will win. he can run to the right AND the left of hillary if she is the nom.

but we will be ok. the lobbyists and corrupt pols, not so much.

[Dawgs]

24. Agree with all of that.

His SCOTUS picks will be interesting though.

[restorefreedom]

30. oh, i hadn't even thought of that

my guess, since he is a "dealmaker" and his ego likes to check off on his "stuff i did" list, he will nominate centrist moderates who, while not ideal to either side, will be acceptable. they will be prochoice, support the aca, and less scalia like than what he keeps saying now.

[Dawgs]

33. Agree.

[restorefreedom]

34. cool! :) nt

[Proud Liberal Dem]

52. Ummm.....Interesting...ummm...analysis

I'm personally not going to take a chance on Trump.

[revbones]

55. But a LOT of independents will nt

[restorefreedom]

56. i am not suggesting you should.

was just sharing that in the end, i think he is much less rw than he lets on

remember, he is a tv star....

[Proud Liberal Dem]

70. I wonder

if the country is ready for "President Comacho"?

[restorefreedom]

80. we will find out soon enough i suppose. nt

[Proud Liberal Dem]

44. When did Trump say he was for single-payer?

Trump is a blowhard and "Sarah Palin x 1000". Who exactly hasn't he honked off yet? Once the general election starts in earnest, most people IMHO will rightfully freak out about Trump and gladly vote for Hillary - or they will stay home.

[restorefreedom]

49. he wont use the words

but he refers to a medicare for all type system. he keeps saying its not "single payer" because he doesnt want to piss off his base, but its way more progressive than what most repubs and even some dems, would do

yes, its breitbart, but i wanted to give you a link

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/18/3081581/

[Proud Liberal Dem]

54. Where is it

in the healthcare "plan" that he just pushed out? From what I can recall, aside from one or two things, it's warmed over Republican healthcare nothingism.

And I'm not going to go read anything on Breitbart.

[restorefreedom]

57. i understand if you dont want to click on it

here are his own words to anderson cooper

Now, the new plan is good. It’s going to be inexpensive. It’s going to be much better for the people. But there’s going to a group of people at the bottom — people that haven’t done well. People that don’t have any money that won’t be able to be care of.

We’re going to take care of them through maybe concepts of Medicare. We have hospitals that aren’t doing well, we have doctors that aren’t doing well. You cannot let people die on the street, OK?

[MuttLikeMe]

60. Latinos won't be okay

racist goon squads will come after them thinking they have Trump's blessing. You want that?

[restorefreedom]

69. i actually dont think that will happen

much of trumps rhetoric is trying to placate the base. i don't think for a minute he is going to start rounding people up to deport. he knows the logistics won't work. he just doesn't want to admit that in the primaries.

so much of this is showmanship, and he is the master of showmanship.

[Hoyt]

28. I get feeling badly about your candidate losing, been there. But can't you wait to trash the winner?

[Dawgs]

36. Giving an opinion is not trashing, and..

I knew the race was over long ago, so Bernie losing is not really relevant to my comment.

[FLPanhandle]

29. I have the same chance of being president than Trump does.

Both of us have a zero chance.

[Dawgs]

37. Maybe, but if it's not Trump then it will be one of the other Republicans. n/t

[sufrommich]

39. How does Trump win without blacks,latinos and women? nt

[Dawgs]

43. We should be more concerned about who will vote for Hillary.

And, Trump will do fine enough with the minority vote.

[sufrommich]

46. No,he wont "do fine" with the minority vote.

That's delusional. Trump is a train wreck,the republican convention is going to be a bloody battlefield and most people will gladly vote for Hillary regardless of how much wishful thinking Sanders supporters engage in.

[stevenleser]

53. Yep, African Americans love Hillary as we can see from her contest with Sanders and downthread I

posted a link to my article where I lay out what will happen with the Latino vote.

I don't think the person you are talking with is interested in facts at all. They want to believe what they are writing for whatever reason but it does not have any factual basis to it.

[Dawgs]

63. Wrong. The facts are on my side actually.

Hillary will lose to any of the Republicans. It's pretty clear.

Here's one fact that you're obviously missing. Most of those AA votes are in states that she can't win.

[stevenleser]

66. You haven't posted any facts nor have you posted any empirical data. nt

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

74. Ohio (Cleveland), Florida (Dade County), Michigan (Detroit)?

Keep trying. I know you're new to this political stuff.....

[Dawgs]

62. You may not realize this yet, but Hillary ain't that popular.

And that's being nice.

Republicans, and many Indys, will gladly vote for Trump over her. It's unfortunate, but true.

And Sanders has nothing to do with my opinion. I think he would also have a hard time winning the Presidency.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

48. You just made a funny.

"Trump will do fine enough with the minority vote."

[Zambero]

50. -65 net negative with Latino voters (fine enough indeed!)

Worse than that with African-American voters, not much better with Asian-American voters.
How does one spell A-N-A-T-H-E-M-A?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

72. LOL

Yeah, just like Rmoney and all those lining up to "get rid of Obummer".

[stevenleser]

47. Correct, as I note here, he doesnt have a chance.

http://steveleser.blogspot.com/2016/02/if-it-is-donald-trump-vs-hillary.html

[meaculpa2011]

51. Regardless of who wins...

Lloyd Blankfein will still be in charge.

[SmittynMo]

58. Trump? Good guess

This is how stupid we are:

Remove the candidate that has the BEST shot at beating Trump.

Continue with the corrupt political system supported by the oligarchs.

So, yes, eliminating Bernie could very well prove to be very disastrous for the country.

[CanonRay]

67. Four years?

You really think he'll give up power once he's in? That'll be the last free election in this country.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

71. So on election night, what time does the mask come off and you really admit what you're up to?

I predict about 10:15 Eastern, when the Dem nominee has it safely locked up. The pouting will be amazing.

[TeamPooka]

73. Now I know what the quitter/loser says. nt

[Marrah_G]

76. I am also very skeptical that Clinton can win against Trump

I do think Bernie could have. It's going to depend on voter turnout and I just don't think Clinton bring the enthusiasm or new voters to the polls.

[PoliticAverse]

77. Why do people think Trump would defeat Clinton? Trump has even higher negatives than Clinton. n/t

[spanone]

79. damn, i missed the election. when did everyone vote?