Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

packman

(16,296 posts)
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:16 AM Mar 2016

Religion and its "rules" - What is a Eruv?

Eruvs are everywhere, from Melbourne to Manhattan, from Toronto to Tel Aviv
A Manhattan Eruv

?imgmax=1200

A Massachusetts Eruv:

?imgmax=1200

"Unbeknownst to many, there are translucent fishing lines that wrap around hundreds of cities around the world. Strung high above the heads of pedestrians and roofs of houses, on utility poles and lamp posts, these wires are barely visible and hardly affect the lives of millions that live in these cities. But for the orthodox Jews, these imperceptible wires that run for dozens of miles, mark an important religious boundary that allow the devoted to hold on to their faith.

The wires mark the boundary of a ritualistic enclosure called an eruv, within which observant Jews can perform certain duties that they are not allowed to outside of home, during Sabbath. "

And many of these line of "religious boundary"'s run for miles and miles - maps and more details at:


http://www.amusingplanet.com/2016/03/the-nearly-invisible-wires-that-enclose.html

21 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Religion and its "rules" - What is a Eruv? (Original Post) packman Mar 2016 OP
At some point edhopper Mar 2016 #1
If people still exist in 5,000 years tabasco Mar 2016 #2
Wonder if they'll find politics, national borders, finances and other by-products of the imagination LanternWaste Mar 2016 #12
What if Spider-Man wants to swing through that street but hits that wire? DetlefK Mar 2016 #3
I first read about this practice in Israel Warpy Mar 2016 #4
And your major appliances have a "sabbath mode". MindPilot Mar 2016 #5
wouldn't opening the door itself be considered work? snooper2 Mar 2016 #8
You're So Technical! ProfessorGAC Mar 2016 #10
Don't be silly! Of course not. MindPilot Mar 2016 #13
And people expect me to take their religious beliefs seriously tkmorris Mar 2016 #6
Yep, not a chance. Iggo Mar 2016 #14
I was trying to figure out what the fuck it was from the pictures and had to read the verbiage snooper2 Mar 2016 #7
"...mark an important religious boundary that allow the devoted to hold on to their faith." Brickbat Mar 2016 #9
kerzackly! . . . n/t annabanana Mar 2016 #21
It seems a harmless thing in comparison to the sick cult of... hunter Mar 2016 #11
And religious people demand we "RESPECT!" their beliefs ... Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #15
another thread making fun of Judaism Mosby Mar 2016 #16
Oh, come on- packman Mar 2016 #17
you know what else is stupid? Mosby Mar 2016 #18
Of they aren't any less stupid, superstition is superstition, regardless of label... Humanist_Activist Mar 2016 #19
"Are native American religious traditions any less stupid that Christianity, Islam or Judaism?" Iggo Mar 2016 #20

edhopper

(33,575 posts)
1. At some point
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 10:21 AM
Mar 2016

when I can collect my thoughts, I am going to write a post about Kosher Laws, another silly, anachronistic set of rules.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
2. If people still exist in 5,000 years
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:01 AM
Mar 2016

they will find our stupid religions comical, like we see Thor with his hammer and Zeus and all the crazy Greek gods. Unfortunately, they will probably have some new stupid religion. Humans just ain't that smart.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
12. Wonder if they'll find politics, national borders, finances and other by-products of the imagination
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:48 AM
Mar 2016

I too wonder if they'll find politics, national borders, finances and other by-products of the imagination comical, or if we'll simply continue to rationalize them as necessary to human existence as well...

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
3. What if Spider-Man wants to swing through that street but hits that wire?
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:03 AM
Mar 2016

"Spider-Man! What happened? Are you okay?"

"Argh. Those Jews..."

"What? You're an Anti-Semite?"

"You don't understand! Argh, that hurts. It was the Jews! They... they..."

"Gosh, you are such an asshole!"



"I have an idea for our next headline for the Daily Bugle: "Spider-Man goes on anti-semitic rant!" Robbie! Get me one of those Spider-Man photos where he has his right arm raised!"

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
4. I first read about this practice in Israel
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:20 AM
Mar 2016

where the extreme Orthodox who found Shabat a little too confining for their taste placed string around their houses into the yards so they could at least go out and get a little fresh air and sunlight.

I do love it when the zealots realize how nuts some of their religious dogma is and start to fudge it like crazy. I'm also not surprised those lines extend for miles, they need to take walks and maybe drop the kiddies off at a relative's house.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
5. And your major appliances have a "sabbath mode".
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:25 AM
Mar 2016

No work is permitted to be done or caused to be done on the Sabbath. Energizing an electrical circuit is considered causing work to be done, therefore your 'fridge has a setting programed into its controls that disables the light, and delays the compressor start. That way you can open the door without *directly* causing any work to be done.

The range (oven) is similar, the light and the digital display is disabled, and the oven can be kept at a low temperature for warming food. It also disables the 10-hour automatic safety shut-off.

We all get to pay for this so some small religious group can work around their own self-imposed rules.

ProfessorGAC

(65,010 posts)
10. You're So Technical!
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:44 AM
Mar 2016

Force times distance, right? Of course, applying the laws of physics to 6,000 year old superstition is a tough alignment to achieve.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
13. Don't be silly! Of course not.
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:56 AM
Mar 2016

See, opening the door and activating a circuit that starts the compressor is work. However opening the door and activating a circuit that starts the compressor in five minutes is not work.

Simple metaphysics.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
7. I was trying to figure out what the fuck it was from the pictures and had to read the verbiage
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:36 AM
Mar 2016

Dumbest thing I have read in fucking weeks LOL- I am dumber now for participating in this thread...

I wonder if it matters if they use 10lb or 20lb test

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
9. "...mark an important religious boundary that allow the devoted to hold on to their faith."
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:39 AM
Mar 2016

Huh; seems to me it's actually a way for people to get around the rules of their faith.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
11. It seems a harmless thing in comparison to the sick cult of...
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:47 AM
Mar 2016

... fossil fuels and "economic productivity" which is destroying this planet.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
15. And religious people demand we "RESPECT!" their beliefs ...
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:56 PM
Mar 2016

I respect the right of people to believe moronic supernatural nonsense, but not the moronic supernatural nonsense itself.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
17. Oh, come on-
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:27 PM
Mar 2016

It's a thread making fun of stupid religious customs/laws. As a Roman Catholic I lived my young life in fear of going to hell if I ate meat on Friday or if, when I passed in front of the altar, I didn't genuflect. If you can't laugh at religion, what is its purpose? And any good Jewish comedian knows that is the basis for a lot of jokes.

Mosby

(16,306 posts)
18. you know what else is stupid?
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:45 PM
Mar 2016

The San Carlos Apaches claiming that Oak Flats is some sort of "holy land" where the spirits or whatever landed. How silly is that? Maybe it's time for them to grow the fuck up and quit believing in stupid, superstitious nonsense.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/battle-over-land-sacred-apache-and-lucrative-mining-company

Do you see the problem now? Are native American religious traditions any less stupid that Christianity, Islam or Judaism? If not then why?


 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
19. Of they aren't any less stupid, superstition is superstition, regardless of label...
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 02:57 PM
Mar 2016

just like those stupid fuckers who claim the largest fucking mountain on the planet as a "sacred space" so no, you can't build a new telescope on land that was already set aside on that mountain for that purpose years ago. The fucked up part is that they don't even go up there where the telescopes are for religious reasons, and the mountain is so goddamned big you wouldn't even notice the telescopes.

http://www.tmt.org/

Iggo

(47,552 posts)
20. "Are native American religious traditions any less stupid that Christianity, Islam or Judaism?"
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:18 PM
Mar 2016

No.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Religion and its "rules" ...