Democrats around the nation will remember that Obama didn't come to Wisconsin

[brentspeak]

The leader of the Democratic Party was too terrified to make the easily-made case to Wisconsin voters that Walker is turning their state over to the plutocrats. While Walker may have had limitless millions in dollars funneling in from his billionaire puppet masters, Barrett could have had something that all those millions of dollars could never buy for the GOP: an actual sitting President.

Obama could have made the difference in the recall election -- or at least, tried to make a difference. Could anyone imagine Harry S. Truman not working to get Walker out of office in a situation like this?

Needless to say, Obama will look like Fool Almighty if he were to actually campaign for votes in WI this fall, hat in hand, after abandoning the good people of Wisconsin. Certainly he must realize that.

But what Obama and his strategists apparently don't realize is that Democratic voters in other states will be all too aware of the leader of the Democratic Party's inaction re. Wisconsin.

[quinnox]

1. If Dems lose Wisconsin

in November, then this will be a big part of the reason for it.

[Wabbajack_]

60. Different election

This has as much to do with November as Obama's big win in 2008 did with Walker winning in 2010.

[SunsetDreams]

79. Wisconsin hasn't voted R for President since Reagan nt

[hrmjustin]

2. Well he will be made aware of this.n/t

[babylonsister]

3. I'm shocked! you'd disparage Obama!! SHOCKED!! Not. nt

[ProSense]

4. Yet

"Democrats around the nation will remember that Obama didn't come to Wisconsin"

...not enough people remembered the reason the dumbfuck Governor was being recalled.

Poof!

The OP is nonsensical spin.

[JDPriestly]

20. The OP is right. Obama is Republican-lite, or at least viewed as that by Americans

including the confused voters of Wisconsin.

Obama made a huge, huge error. Sorry, but that's the story here.

[ProSense]

24. Bullshit!

"including the confused voters of Wisconsin. "

So you think Obama can change the "confused voters of Wisconsin" who are duped by Walker?

Nonsense. Completely void of reality.

[dionysus]

41. .

[Blue_Tires]

92. And even if Obama was out there everyday

I've been around DU long enough to know the thread would have been

"Democrats around the nation will remember that Obama didn't do more to win Wisconsin"

[spanone]

5. T3

[IMG][/IMG]

[DearAbby]

6. Why?

[TheWraith]

7. Thank you for recycling the same whiny bullshit.

It's much easier to ignore the fact that no sitting president has EVER campaigned in a recall election, and simply blame Daddy Obama for not doing all the work for us.

[emulatorloo]

16. SOP for "Brentspeak"

[SidDithers]

18. +1...nt

Sid

[brentspeak]

36. Kind of like how your personal attacks are SOP for you on this website n/t

[emulatorloo]

55. You confuse me catching you and BBI posting half-truths with "personal attacks."

If you stop posting deceptive bullshit then I won't catch you posting deceptive bullshit.

[brentspeak]

66. What's the "half-truth" again?

What's "deceptive"?

You've wallowed in so many shallow personal attacks against others on these boards for so long that you forgot that you never knew how to construct a logical and convincing argument in the first place.

[emulatorloo]

71. Your post is 100 percent bullshit speculation presented as fact.

Your original posts as well as those of your partner BBI are constructed on the principles of propaganda

- oversimplification
- misrepresentation
- distortion

I have caught you attempting to use old articles to misrepresent Obama's positions.

There is no logical argument to counter that other than to point out you are willing to DO ANYTHING or SAY ANYTHING.

You didn't like getting caught, that's why you pretend that being caught in deception is a "personal attack"

It is easy: Stop posting divisive deceptive bullshit.

[brentspeak]

74. Thank you for validating my point. n/t

[emulatorloo]

76. Good. Declare Victory and keep up the good work! n/t

[dionysus]

100. stop stalking brentspeak! weave him awone!!1!1!

[Number23]

75. Thank you. This is really bad, even for this particular poster.

[GarroHorus]

8. And they'll be THANKFUL he didn't

When Wisconsin Dems chose to put a loser against Walker, they chose to lose.

Obama was right to stay away form a loser.

[JDPriestly]

21. Barrett was a great candidate and a great debater.

Obama miscalculated what was at stake.

It isn't just Democrats in Wisconsin who feel let down and betrayed.

Tweet, tweet, tweet.

[undeterred]

34. Well, I wouldn't call him great.

This was much more a referendum on Walker than anything else. Barrett's just a nice guy.

[Poll_Blind]

9. I don't hang the loss on Obama, but I'm rankled by his lack of trying. In fact, his..

...lack of TRYING is a big problem I have with him, period.

PB

[SunsetDreams]

10. Shocked...and just what will Democrats around the nation do?

[nanabugg]

11. And many of them will be glad that he didn't. it would have been a mark against him.

remember , he is not stupid!

[JDPriestly]

25. It IS a mark against him.

If he didn't want Wisconsin Democrats to try to recall Walker, he should have said so. Failing to support Wisconsin Democrats once they were holding their petition drive was a huge failure on his part.

Give 'em Hell Harry (Truman) would have spoken his mind early on. It takes courage to be honest. If Obama did not want to support the recall, if he didn't think it was a good idea, he should have said so.

If he did think it was a good idea, he should have supported it -- fully and dramatically.

As it is, nobody really knows how he felt or what he thought about the recall. All they know is that the recall was a dramatic moment, that Wisconsin Democrats were in the national spotlight, and that the Democrats lost.

That is not good for Obama. Not good at all.

[SunsetDreams]

50. Actually Scott Walker Recall: Obama Campaign Gets Involved

Last edited Wed Jun 6, 2012, 01:13 AM - Edit history (1)

President Barack Obama's re-election campaign is jumping into the Wisconsin recall, focusing on educating and registering voters in advance of the June 5 election.

Tripp Wellde, the Wisconsin state director for the Obama campaign, sent an email to supporters on Thursday night to get them fired up to support Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, the Democratic nominee looking to unseat Gov. Scott Walker (R)...

On Saturday, the Obama campaign will be hosting "Own Your Vote" events around the state, described as "organizing phone banks and knocking on doors to make sure Wisconsinites are registered and ready to own their vote on Election Day."

...

In February 2011, Organizing for America (which became Obama for America in the presidential election) also jumped into Wisconsin, helping promote rallies and protests against Walker's attempts to strip collective bargaining rights from public employees. The group helped get out the vote in the state senate recalls last summer.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/10/scott-walker-recall-obama-campaign_n_1508209.html?1337121704

[JDPriestly]

58. It sure didn't amount to much.

If that's the best we can do, we have a big problem for November. Did Wisconsin vote for Obama in 2008?

[SunsetDreams]

62. Yes they did. Wisconsin hasn't voted R for President

since Reagan. You are wrong on Obama, he did everything he could do. No president has campaigned in a Governor recall, granted there were only two previous recalls.

[obliviously]

12. Noworries, we still have that final presidentual Tweet!

It still warms my heart to read it.

[Taverner]

13. Come ON - not everything is Obama's fault

At some point one needs to realize that not everything is about the guy on top

Some things are just a matter of gerrymandering, citizens united and churches

Yeah, I said it

Churches drove the faithful and fate-full out to vote

Fuck churches

They perpetrate madness, delusion and BS

[Gman]

14. Give it a fucking break, will ya?

I'm so fucking tired of the anti-Obama bullshit in this fucking place.

I think I'll go visit somewhere much more sane like Free Republic.

[dionysus]

31. it's perfectly allowable to campaign against democrats here, unfortunately.

how the hell that is allowed, mind you, is beyond me.

[leftynyc]

98. It's why no elected official will come near here

Why on earth should they? Nothing is ever enough.

[Go Vols]

15. +1 to OP

You would think the Democratic leader would stand up when Democratic values are threatened.

[longship]

17. Hmm.

[okieinpain]

19. sorry i disagree, president obama is turning out

to be a very shrewd politician. like it or not he seems to always make the right decisions.

[JDPriestly]

30. If that were true, our unemployment numbers would be much healthier

and a few Wall Streeters and bankers would be in jail.

[dionysus]

32. right, because again, you blame Obama instead of the god damn republicans. if only Smoove Johnny

were here to save us!

[okieinpain]

37. you can't put people in jail for things that aren't illegal

but I'll give you a few points on the job numbers. i think he screwed up pushing for healthcare reform.

[woo me with science]

90. The "right" decisions, indeed. nt.

[blue neen]

22. No, they will not.

I know a lot of Democrats in Pennsylvania, and about 98% of them were not paying attention to what was going on in Wisconsin.

The others will be encouraged that 1 million people voted to kick Scott Walker out.

Democrats AND Republicans in PA have their hands full with Governor Tom Corrupt. We're biding our time until we can vote him out and send him to straight to hell.

[Jamaal510]

23. PBO has an entire country and his own re-election campaign to run.

Also it would have looked ugly for him if he showed up, and Barrett still went on to lose. That would have provided the GOP with some more ammo to use against him. It isn't Obama's fault that WI chose to re-elect the union-buster. Who should really be blamed are any Democrats who didn't vote, and the Supreme Court for its Citizens United ruling.

[pstokely]

26. Would he have looked good if he came and Barrett won?

Will anyone care 5 months from now?

[TroglodyteScholar]

27. Maybe if the Democratic party in WI...

...had put up a candidate that was worth a shit, we wouldn't be in this mess. Barrett may be a great guy, but a motivator of the electorate he is not.

We needed a GREAT candidate, but instead we put up an alright candidate. What the fuck can you expect?

[Go Vols]

72. I would expect a fuzzy cat

could have beaten a known liar and fucker of the people with ease.

But evidently money talks,and our side needed more than Bill to stand up a couple of days ago and say something.

[cthulu2016]

28. Having just voted to not hide this OP, I will

take this opportunity to say the OP is inflammatory BS.

Not rules violating inflammatory BS, but nothing to admire.

[dionysus]

29. what a crock of shit. your constant anti-Obama campaign is fucking pathetic.

take it over to treebagger land.

[brentspeak]

46. Stop insulting the memory of Jerry Garcia -- and Grateful Dead fans; change your avatar

And quit stalking forum members.

[dionysus]

47. strike a nerve, did I? you're transparent as glass.

and I somehow doubt Jerry would have spent his free time making a DU career out of campaigning against democrats... on a discussion forum for democrats...

[brentspeak]

52. I doubt Jerry Garcia would be stalking Democrats on a Democratic website n/t

[Swede]

69. Results of jury.

At Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:57 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

what a crock of shit. your constant anti-Obama campaign is fucking pathetic.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=772528

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

personal attack if there ever was one

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:06 PM, and the Jury voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: We are all frustrated. No excuse to be rude. Now is the time to unite and not fight among ourselves.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I agree with the poster. Your Anti-Obama posts are sickening. Leave it!

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[flamingdem]

33. Who cares outside of WI? Who is watching this closely?

Not everyone and not the critical independents who will decide their vote in the months to come

Obama was correct to stay away and everyone interviewed from WI on the topic agreed with that!

[brentspeak]

39. What is the top story on every news website and newspaper around the nation?

[okieinpain]

51. he has kept his distance from the beginning so they

had to know something was up.

[efhmc]

35. Wrong. It would not have mattered and would have been looked like

interference in state matters.

[brentspeak]

38. Do you have a window into Alternate Realities?

[efhmc]

43. Yes, I do. It is often referred to as old age experience and intelligence.

[blue neen]

44. It's the blotter acid doing it to me.

I'll confess.

[efhmc]

49. Sorry, does not compute.

[blue neen]

54. Well, apparently the OP can't understand why anyone would disagree with his negative posts.

You know, we must be living in an "alternate reality" to not see things his way.

I'm blaming my "alternate reality" on LSD, quite facetiously, of course!

[efhmc]

70. Okay. A nice cabernet for my world. Good night.

[hugo_from_TN]

40. Successful politicians never put another politician's fortunes over their own

Never

[obnoxiousdrunk]

45. bingo

[Swede]

48. Exactly.

nt

[pa28]

102. He is a successful politician.

Yes he is.

[Skip Intro]

42. He could have tried. That he didn't will be hard to forget.

That is reality.

Had he tried, had he put some effort into supporting his party in this election, and Walker had lost - talk about early momentum for November.

Had he tried and lost, would things be worse than they are now?

[scheming daemons]

57. Yes... had he tried and lost, then this race would be nationalized and have implications for Nov.

His strategists should be fired if they let Obama go to Wisconsin and nationalize this recall election.

[pstokely]

61. Was he even asked to come?

?

[MadHound]

63. Must protect Obama at all costs eh?

Don't put him in politically dicey situations, give the rich tax cuts to keep those campaign coffers full, have him try to stay above the fray for fall to long, back Republican legislation, forget the people, just do what is best for Obama.

If Obama isn't going to stick his neck out for the people once in awhile, what good is he? And if he's not going to be there for the people, why should the people be there for him?

[LeftyMom]

53. I see you've riled up the personality cult.

Personally I'd rather watch baseball, but we all have to entertain ourselves somehow.

[scheming daemons]

56. Picking up the anti-Obama slack for the long-departed BBI, I see

...

[JI7]

59. Most Democrats around the Nation Either Don't Know or Don't give A shit about the Wisconsin election

[brentspeak]

64. I'm willing to bet that most Democrats around the nation

aren't low information voters who don't read the news. The Walker recall election tops the headlines on every newspaper and news website around the nation.

[JI7]

65. actually, most are , why do you think Walker won not only this time but the last time

[brentspeak]

67. Most Democrats voted for Walker?

[blue neen]

68. Here's a link to the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, a widely circulated paper:

http://www.post-gazette.com/

[Go Vols]

73. .

conservative publisher Richard Mellon Scaife expanded his paper........Relations between the Post-Gazette and Tribune-Review are often competitive and frequently hostile, given Scaife's longstanding distaste for what he considered the Blocks' "liberalism."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Post-Gazette


The owner of that paper thinks liberalism is bad?

[emulatorloo]

78. Mellon Scaife is a notorious Right winger. funded "Arkansas Project" to

"get" Clinton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Mellon_Scaife

[Go Vols]

81. +1

"Scaife also helped fund the Arkansas Project, which ultimately led to the impeachment proceedings of President Bill Clinton."

[blue neen]

82. Richard Mellon Scaife is NOT the owner of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette.

He owns the Tribune Review, which is a right-wing rag. Scaife is a spiteful man and loses money just so he can publish his libertarian views.

Please re-check your sources. Thank you.

[ecstatic]

77. The irony is

Why would someone who hates Pres. Obama so much want Obama to show up everywhere? Is there a disconnect somewhere in your mind?

[emulatorloo]

80. Good question.

[ProSense]

91. Yes,

"Why would someone who hates Pres. Obama so much want Obama to show up everywhere? Is there a disconnect somewhere in your mind?"

...good question. I wonder if this isn't some kind of retroactive disappointment? See, if Obama had gone to WI and Walker still won, the President's detractors would have a field day.

I mean, do you believe if the President had gone and Barrett won, Obama's detractors would be crediting him for the win? Not a chance. I could hear it now: Thank the people of WI!! One speech!!! One or two token visits!!!

Hilarious stuff.

[Carolina]

83. Why should we have expected BHO to do otherwise

"The leader of the Democratic Party was too terrified to make the easily-made case to Wisconsin voters that Walker is turning their state over to the plutocrats." How could he make such a case when in the past 3 years he has done little to nothing to change (remember hope & change) the plutocratic, corporatized, market driven course of the nation?

He's not FDR, HST, JFK or LBJ. He hasn't fought for the people at all. It began with his cabinet picks, extended through his failure to support a public option and continues in his ongoing make-niceness with lunatics.

I know a local Dem pol heretold me that Dems are VERY disappointed to the point of disgusted with OBH. Course they put on a good public persona but behind closed doors is another matter.

November will be tough because the truly ignorant, the willfully ignorant and the frank racists (of which there are many) will vote for Mittens. Then throw in rigged voting machines and voter suppression.

I am totally disgusted and fatalistic.

[Mr Dixon]

84. SMH

Wow

Way too many people are happy to blame OBAMA for this, Complete BS

[lunatica]

85. Obama should have put his cape on dammitt!

Everything is his stinking fault! EVERYTHING!!!

[Freddie Stubbs]

86. President Obama was smart enough to see that this recall was a stupid idea

Better for him not to be associated with this knuckle-headed enterprise.

[Arkana]

94. The recall wasn't a stupid idea.

But the fact remains that the anti-Walker movement did everything right except get a decent candidate. If Feingold or Barca had decided to run, they probably could have won. Instead we got the guy who wanted a mulligan after losing once.

[Freddie Stubbs]

97. It was doomed to failure

Walker had fairly decent favorability numbers. He wasn't Gray Davis.

[Honeycombe8]

87. A sitting President has no business getting involved in a state's government.

Whether that state is Wisconsin or Louisiana or Texas. Other than endorsing, I don't want Presidents meddling in my state's affairs. It's none of their business. It is STATE business. A President is in the FEDERAL govt.

You know we have a state vs. federal govt issue in this country, don't you? A fight from the states about the fed trying to get involved in their business.

[Canuckistanian]

88. The same point was mentioned on Canadian news this morning

The CBC opined that Obama will now make a special effort to campaign in Wisconsin, but WI state Democratic leaders would probably not be too quick to help him.

[SidDithers]

89. "Democrats" around the nation will remember that Obama didn't come to Wisconsin...

There, I fixed the title for you.

Sid

[Arkana]

93. Exit polling showed a 12-point margin in favor of Obama.

State elections do not always reflect national results--if they did, Massachusetts would not be a solid blue state.

And if you are so foolish as to think that Barrett didn't tell Obama "Stay away from Wisconsin, I've got this" then you are delusional.

[JNelson6563]

95. And those with a clue are glad of it.

Otherwise this loss would hang around his neck like a millstone.

Don't you kids have to be in school or something?

Julie

[mfcorey1]

96. They'd better remember how toxic a republican Predidential administration will be. nt

[Chorophyll]

101. You think they'll "remember" enough to turn the White House

back over to a Republican, with a Republican Congress and a razor-thin Democratic majority in the Senate?

Let's hope not. Jeezus.