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I just found this food, has no GMO's whatsoever! (Original Post) Archae Mar 2016 OP
I was gonna guess salt. killbotfactory Mar 2016 #1
You gotta be careful, and only get the GMO-free salt. jeff47 Mar 2016 #5
But is it gluten free? Nt killbotfactory Mar 2016 #10
Humans evolved , therefore they are genetically modifed, therefore they are GMO. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #2
Well, not quite Scootaloo Mar 2016 #6
Oopsie! longship Mar 2016 #9
I'm sorry... what? Scootaloo Mar 2016 #13
Sorry, misinterpreted your post. My bad. longship Mar 2016 #16
Oopsie? and did you say humans "evolved?" Jeffersons Ghost Mar 2016 #14
Well, that was... an interesting read, I guess. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #18
Your posts today are increasingly... hard to decipher tkmorris Mar 2016 #19
Those that aren't republican in nature..... So Far From Heaven Mar 2016 #21
Is there a vegetarian version? braddy Mar 2016 #3
LOL!!!!!! dixiegrrrrl Mar 2016 #8
yes they are Venus Fly Traps Jeffersons Ghost Mar 2016 #12
Yes, it's called tofu. nt awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #15
May contain traces of germanium? Nice try, bud, but I don't eat petronius Mar 2016 #4
Apparently someone did. herding cats Mar 2016 #7
here's your 5th rec, because I saw the movie... Jeffersons Ghost Mar 2016 #11
Don't bet on it. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #17
Can't be true. Too many artificial drugs added. So Far From Heaven Mar 2016 #20
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
6. Well, not quite
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:44 PM
Mar 2016

Genetically modified expressly intends "modified by intent." Natural selection has no intent.

Domestication, however, does. and I do think a strong argument could be made for humans being a self-domesticating species.

longship

(40,416 posts)
9. Oopsie!
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 12:16 AM
Mar 2016

Somebody's conveniently ignoring the thousands of years of what people call agriculture (see that?) where humans have been doing exactly what you claim that they haven't.

And do you know what -- since apparently you do not? It was all modification by intent!

There is no qualitative difference between cross-breeding and genetic modification. They both do the same damned thing. The only difference is specificity. That makes genetic modification better.

You are oh so busted.

Drops mic.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
13. I'm sorry... what?
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 01:12 AM
Mar 2016

I'm amused that you think we're in disagreement.

Humans can probably not be considered GMO (thus the joke of the OP) unless we consider the possibility that humans are self-domesticating, selecting our own mates to achieve a desired overall result. As we - as a species - tend to favor other individuals who do well within the societies we form, i think the argument could go either way - either humans are adapting towards a human-created environment via natural selection, or we are - consciously or unconsciously - breeding towards descendants that can work better within that environment.

I've pointed out plenty of times that the drive to label all GMO's is easily subverted by simple biology, in that every domestic plant and animal is genetically modified, through intentional breeding, from a prior non-modified wild ancestor. all it takes is Tyson Foods (or whoever) counter-suing to force all domesticated meat and produce to be labeled, and that's it - and science would be on their side.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
14. Oopsie? and did you say humans "evolved?"
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 01:26 AM
Mar 2016

Compared to a virus, humans do not evolve. Too slow, as species go: Homo-Sapien, Sapian is left at the starting-gates, as viruses like HIV/ AIDS mutate [Chinese satellites attempting to create ancient Sputnik code] faster than imaginable, while insects gain extra life-cycles, during climate change. We're dead!

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
18. Well, that was... an interesting read, I guess.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 02:33 PM
Mar 2016

Yes. Humans evolved. And as a species, we are still evolving. Every population of species is constatly evolving. Environmental pressures and generative rates do of course mean some evolve "faster" than others, but evolution is still occurring. Even very slow-breeding species in very stable environments are evolving, through what's called 'genetic drift."

As for our ability to cope with disease and parasites, I think you might be surprised. New diseases, of course, create a fairly horrific toll among a species. Such as the impact that influenza, smallpox, and measles had on Native Americans... or the effect syphilis and bubonic plague had on Europeans. Rapid, catastrophic death tolls, like "judgement from god" stuff. But there were survivors of the pandemics. There are always survivors, so long as the base population is large enough. Those survivors have stronger immune systems, which get passed on to their offspring. Who breed with other resistant offspring, and so cement disease resistance. It may take multiple generations, but it'll happen.

We're probably fucked, yup. Our great-great grandchildren will manage, though.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
19. Your posts today are increasingly... hard to decipher
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 02:40 PM
Mar 2016

Humans do, and are, evolving however. Not as fast as many other organisms, true, but that doesn't mean we aren't.

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