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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:45 AM Apr 2016

GOP Wants To Get Younger Generation To Agree To Cut Seniors' Social Security.

The GOP will do anything to get power to destroy the country as we know it. One underground meme they use is to convince you younger generation that seniors are robbing them. And this strategy is about convincing the younger GOP generation to agree that Medicare and Social Security must be cut, privatized or eliminated because they will not get it.

The GOP idea is to piss generations off at each other. And the GOP plan to fuck the younger people and get them mad at their parents is all part of their fragmenting America.

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GOP Wants To Get Younger Generation To Agree To Cut Seniors' Social Security. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Apr 2016 OP
Its up to the 45-55 year olds to set the issue straight. rgbecker Apr 2016 #1
I know some people that have to live on $750/mo. glinda Apr 2016 #13
They are next- services liberal isation will push wages way down. Baobab Apr 2016 #49
And, left to their own devices, they'd do it, too. MADem Apr 2016 #2
First, as you say, they convince the kids... TreasonousBastard Apr 2016 #3
This is a reason to get our debt under control NobodyHere Apr 2016 #4
--- and there are no other expenses to be cut? F-35? Harrier, anyone? Hoppy Apr 2016 #7
There's lots of expenses to be cut and revenues to be raised NobodyHere Apr 2016 #11
The Mic...corporate welfare Pharaoh Apr 2016 #32
We have debt because we have low inflation. the Fed Reserve and banks are in cahoots vkkv Apr 2016 #19
Rothchilds 😡😡😡😡😡😡 newfie11 Apr 2016 #20
Those dangerous JOOOOOOOZ!!!1! tritsofme Apr 2016 #45
Have you seen Michael Moore's movie, "Where to Invade Next?" CrispyQ Apr 2016 #18
Saw it in LittleGirl Apr 2016 #22
We saw it last weekend -- Great movie! Thom Hartmann said that when the movie was released, Michael Akamai Apr 2016 #26
I didn't know that Moore had been sick. CrispyQ Apr 2016 #36
Michael Moore could have died last week:“Trying to get back to just breathing is enough of a burden. Akamai Apr 2016 #53
There is always Carousel Paulie Apr 2016 #5
Logan's Run. Hoppy Apr 2016 #8
Yep! Paulie Apr 2016 #10
They did that with us too. Divide and rule, old as the hills. nt bemildred Apr 2016 #6
Yeah, I was wondering if anyone else would notice this........ socialist_n_TN Apr 2016 #16
"Christian Family Values" Chasstev365 Apr 2016 #9
The GOP has also convinced the uninformed middle-class that the POOR are to blame for the vkkv Apr 2016 #12
Pure evil. You are right. glinda Apr 2016 #14
I saw a post on FB last week. CrispyQ Apr 2016 #15
Great response! LittleGirl Apr 2016 #23
Never forget who the Real Enemy is: the GOP Cryptoad Apr 2016 #17
I'd say the real enemy are corporatists/plutocrats Populist_Prole Apr 2016 #25
Agree. This isn't just GOP Jackilope Apr 2016 #29
Well,,, one party supports Corporate Socialism more than the other. Cryptoad Apr 2016 #37
I don't see the relevance Populist_Prole Apr 2016 #43
For some, "governing" means becoming a partner to business. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #44
I haven't forgotten the "Grand Bargain". dogman Apr 2016 #28
Good luck on finding ur ,,, Cryptoad Apr 2016 #38
I get it. dogman Apr 2016 #39
No,, i dont think u get how Our Constituional Gubermints works Cryptoad Apr 2016 #40
Divide and Conquer Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #21
An old GOP game plan - pit one group against another packman Apr 2016 #24
Let's ignore them in Occupy or their involvement Jackilope Apr 2016 #27
Once again, divide and conquer Zambero Apr 2016 #30
GOP tries to convince younger generation to cut their own throats. Iggo Apr 2016 #31
Plus with the GOP in charge Turbineguy Apr 2016 #33
Social Security, a 20% problem Arizona Roadrunner Apr 2016 #34
Divide and conquer. RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #35
Sad thing is it too often works, especially with the craptasitic corporate MSM we have today and FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #41
Those who seek to gut it will learn, the hard way, that Social Security is there to protect society… Journeyman Apr 2016 #42
GOP Wants to Turn the Younger Generation Against Their Grandparents meow2u3 Apr 2016 #46
they're doing the same thing with pensions Skittles Apr 2016 #47
Meanwhile they want more money for bloody wars seanjoycek476 Apr 2016 #48
The GOP sucks elephant ass. nt ZombieHorde Apr 2016 #50
Younger people are going to be far more in need of it than their parentw and grandparents n/t eridani Apr 2016 #51
the younger generation Locrian Apr 2016 #52

rgbecker

(4,834 posts)
1. Its up to the 45-55 year olds to set the issue straight.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:53 AM
Apr 2016

Without SS, who would have to come up with the $1200/mo that keeps Granny going?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. And, left to their own devices, they'd do it, too.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:01 AM
Apr 2016

Thing is, they don't realize that the only "benefit" of their cost-cutting will accrue to themselves--talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face!

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
3. First, as you say, they convince the kids...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:26 AM
Apr 2016

that they will never see SS or medicare, so kill it off.

Then they put off ending it until it's safe-- after their parents and/or grandparents are dead and not getting it any more.

It's disgusting-- the rest of the world is trying to figure out how to expand the programs and we just kill 'em off.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
4. This is a reason to get our debt under control
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:32 AM
Apr 2016

We're running up debt and the kids know that they're gonna get stuck with the bag.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
7. --- and there are no other expenses to be cut? F-35? Harrier, anyone?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

Or maybe taxes on corporate profits or hedge fund managers to reduce the defecit?

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
11. There's lots of expenses to be cut and revenues to be raised
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:51 AM
Apr 2016

The point is we need to get serious about it before we hit our credit card limit.

 

Pharaoh

(8,209 posts)
32. The Mic...corporate welfare
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:14 PM
Apr 2016

Taxes on the rich are a joke. There is so much money out there it would make your head spin! Merely raising the cap on income over 250'000 would fix and expand social security.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
19. We have debt because we have low inflation. the Fed Reserve and banks are in cahoots
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:16 AM
Apr 2016

to keep us in debt. Banks with huge cash holdings do not want inflation that will weaken their holdings.

A simplified explanation that might make experts scream:::: If the Fed Reserve 'went away' and the U.S. government was then in charge of printing our own money instead of borrowing it from the Fed Reserve, we, as a country would be debt-FREE, but we'd have much greater inflation that the BANKS who hold a lot of OUR CASH do not want. The Fed Reserve didn't come to be until 1913, not all the long before the Great Crash. We as a nation got by without a Fed Reserve for a very long time.

Who runs the Fed Reserve Board you ask? Bankers.

CrispyQ

(36,509 posts)
18. Have you seen Michael Moore's movie, "Where to Invade Next?"
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:12 AM
Apr 2016

It's great! I thought it would be about the MIC & the obscene spending but it wasn't. Moore 'invades' other countries to bring their best ideas back to our country. The wonderful thing about it is that many times, the Europeans would say, "But this was your idea. We got it from America."

We tossed those good ideas in the garbage bin & are pursuing an everything-for-profit model, now.

Absolutely fab movie! Highly recommended!

LittleGirl

(8,291 posts)
22. Saw it in
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:24 AM
Apr 2016

Zurich last month. With about 100 other people. They clapped at the end. I cried. great movie.

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
26. We saw it last weekend -- Great movie! Thom Hartmann said that when the movie was released, Michael
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:39 AM
Apr 2016

Moore was hospitalized for pneumonia and didn't get a chance to promote the film. He had many, many publicity opportunities and they had to be canceled.

Great movie!

Go Bernie!!!

CrispyQ

(36,509 posts)
36. I didn't know that Moore had been sick.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:40 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe that's why most people I know don't know about it. I'm telling everyone about it.

Go Bernie!

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
53. Michael Moore could have died last week:“Trying to get back to just breathing is enough of a burden.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:27 PM
Apr 2016

the following is an article on Michael Moore's illness from Salon.com

From: http://www.salon.com/2016/02/10/michael_moore_could_have_died_last_week_trying_to_get_back_to_just_breathing_is_enough_of_a_burden/

"Michael Moore almost died last week. He got severely ill with pneumonia and ended up in the ICU. “Things didn’t look good,” he posted to social media at the time. This week, he updated fans on Facebook by saying: “Trying to get back to just breathing is enough of a burden.”

"He had been working to support efforts to bring justice to Flint, Michigan, in the wake of the water crisis in his hometown. He had offered an impassioned endorsement of Bernie Sanders for president. And he was also promoting his first film in six years, “Where to Invade Next,” which hits a wide release in theaters this week.

"Moore’s hospital stay comes after a tumultuous year. He’s recovering not only from a serious illness, but also from a range of personal attacks. In the midst of these challenges he is also launching one of the most important films of his career—a film that offers the most spirited revolutionary politics we have seen from Moore yet."

Go Bernie!

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
16. Yeah, I was wondering if anyone else would notice this........
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:11 AM
Apr 2016

Divide the working class against each other on the basis of "identity" and the owners skate and make off with ALL the money. Old as the hills indeed.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
12. The GOP has also convinced the uninformed middle-class that the POOR are to blame for the
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:05 AM
Apr 2016

middle-class' daily economic struggles.

Divide and conquer... The easy part is the distracting Americans with enough uneasiness, insecurities, fear and hate so that Americans simply don't have the time or energy to be properly informed ON THE ISSUES. It's a problem I see for us economic fairness and anti-corruption idealists that works to the GOP's advantage; it is the 'lowest common denominator' propaganda that the GOP uses. They take complex issues, but twist them to make them very simple for the idiots to absorb, settle on and sense that they are informed... Abortion, SNAP, Soc. Sec. War, Oil, Border Security, Education, Big Ag.. Every big issue can be boiled down in a way to make lazy-thinking Americans vote against their own best interests.

It's just evil, really.

CrispyQ

(36,509 posts)
15. I saw a post on FB last week.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:08 AM
Apr 2016

A very young woman, making the comment that old people shouldn't get free money just cuz they're old. I wanted to respond, "Do you work? Do you ever look at your pay stub? That money isn't free. I've paid into SS for 45 years."

If you were born after 1980, all you've ever heard is that unions are bad, SS is going broke & trickle down works.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
37. Well,,, one party supports Corporate Socialism more than the other.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:44 PM
Apr 2016

u chose

Remember the Tea Party failed bc they never could grasp what "governing" entails.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
43. I don't see the relevance
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:57 PM
Apr 2016

The tea party didn't "fail". Much as I hate the bastards, they have successfully mainstreamed the far right of the political spectrum, moved the center, only to have the "center" shifted right. Now we have rationalizations that a quarter pound corporatist shitburger is better than a third-pounder.

I choose none of the above.

dogman

(6,073 posts)
28. I haven't forgotten the "Grand Bargain".
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:50 AM
Apr 2016

I fear any politician that is willing to work with the GOP in their endeavor.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
38. Good luck on finding ur ,,,
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:47 PM
Apr 2016

Grandiose Gubermint that governs without "Politicans"

In Politics,,, its always a matter of the Greater Good.

dogman

(6,073 posts)
39. I get it.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:52 PM
Apr 2016

Fucking the elderly, disabled, and dependent children is for the greater good. See what I fear.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
40. No,, i dont think u get how Our Constituional Gubermints works
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:56 PM
Apr 2016

like I said good luck with ur quest.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
21. Divide and Conquer
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:24 AM
Apr 2016

And the DLC, BlueDog Third Way republicans calling themselves Democrats? Where do they really stand?



 

packman

(16,296 posts)
24. An old GOP game plan - pit one group against another
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:29 AM
Apr 2016

From hippies vs. "Regular Americans", Free Choice vs. Pro Life, Blacks vs. Whites, American citizens vs. Illegal Aliens, Gays vs. "Family values", and so on and so forth.
Repukes are masters of this - it makes up their base- creating the enemy (or perceived enemy) within. Now they are dividing the nation again with their youth vs. elderly campaign. Soulless bastards that they are.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
27. Let's ignore them in Occupy or their involvement
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:48 AM
Apr 2016

In Bernie Sanders campaign! That will endear them to those of us at 55 +!

It isn't just GOP. Didn't Bill Clinton have a pact with Newt? Do you really trust HRC to not work with the GOP "in the spirit of compromise"? Heck, Obama put SS on the table.

I truly don't trust any candidate but Sanders on SS and Medicare.

Zambero

(8,965 posts)
30. Once again, divide and conquer
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:03 PM
Apr 2016

They may have paid into this system all their working lives, but let's not quibble over minor details. Screw those entitlement-grubbing seniors here and now, and then we'll proceed to screw you younger folk down the road. A road map for the perfect right-wing Utopia, where everyone is uniformly miserable with no redress to an evil intrusive gov't. "Equal and fair treatment for all!"

 

Arizona Roadrunner

(168 posts)
34. Social Security, a 20% problem
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:20 PM
Apr 2016

If you do nothing, Social Security will pay out 80% of it's expected benefit. The reason is that people pay in as it goes along. Therefore, Social Security has a 20% problem which could be easily corrected by rearranging how the cap on income subject to Social Security is arranged. You can and could also expand the benefits too. Propagandists against Social Security are misleading people when they say it will go broke. Social Security WILL NEVER GO BROKE. It is a matter of the percentage of expectation that can be paid with the resources paid in each year plus any built up reserve.

By the way, one should take a look at all of the advisors and potential Treasury Secretaries for all of the candidates to see how they view Social Security. Check out whether they want to means test it. Check out to see if they want to privatize it etc..

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
41. Sad thing is it too often works, especially with the craptasitic corporate MSM we have today and
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:05 PM
Apr 2016

crappy educational systems that present a very limited view of history and do not teach hot to think any longer. Keep people ignorant and misinformed and you can make them do almost anything.

Journeyman

(15,038 posts)
42. Those who seek to gut it will learn, the hard way, that Social Security is there to protect society…
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:12 PM
Apr 2016

as much as it is intended to protect the individual from the ravages of poverty.

meow2u3

(24,772 posts)
46. GOP Wants to Turn the Younger Generation Against Their Grandparents
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:59 PM
Apr 2016

There, I fixed the headline for you to hide the fact that those rethug scumbags looted the Social Security trust fund and refuse to pay it back.

Skittles

(153,185 posts)
47. they're doing the same thing with pensions
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:28 PM
Apr 2016

why would people who will never receive a pension protect the pensions of others?

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
52. the younger generation
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:36 AM
Apr 2016

The ones I talk to feel they will never be able to rely on / get SS. And they are definitely in favor of eliminating or reducing it.

It's working. They're too young to see the payoff, and they think they are "paying for nothing".

I remind them that they will never "get rid of it".: it's too big a cash cow for them to steal from. It will always be "enforced" and "reformed" and its just that there will be less and less payout. Think of paying into it (either "private" or "reformed" doesnt matter) but only collecting when you reach 80.

So they need to fix that by electing people who will fight for THEM and not take (steal) from the people.

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