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marble falls

(58,669 posts)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:39 AM Apr 2016

33 Things I Hate About This Election, in No Particular Order


33 Things I Hate About This Election, in No Particular Order

By Ijeoma Oluo / The Establishment
April 19, 2016

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/33-things-i-hate-about-election-no-particular-order

1. When Bernie supporters use “whore” in the pejorative when referring to Hillary

2. When Hillary Clinton said she keeps hot sauce in her bag

3. Marco Rubio’s suits

4. Every reference to Bernie marching with MLK

5. Hillary’s AIPAC speech

6. Donald Trump

7. Everyone who tells me it’s my duty to vote for one of these assholes

8. John Kasich’s haircut

9. Every white woman who says that it’s your feminist duty to vote for Hillary

10. Every dude who says women only vote for Hillary because she’s a woman

11. The fact that after every primary I have to hear clips of Trump’s gross speeches over and over even on fucking NPR

12. That time Hillary pretended to be your abuela

13. Every time a politician tours a poor black neighborhood like they’ve landed in a National Geographic documentary

14. Every time somebody asks Jonathan Chait what he thinks about the election

15. Every dinner party when somebody goes, “Sooo ... how about this election?” and you can’t legally stab them in the eye with a fork

16. Every former high school classmate that you didn’t know was a Trump supporter

17. Every dude who has tried to explain to me how elections work

18. Every time Carly Fiorina vividly imagined seeing video of human fetuses being torn apart

19. That time all the dudes were talking about their dick sizes

20. Every dude who has told Hillary to lower her voice

21. Every poll about which candidate is more “likable”

22. Every reader who is now adding up complaints to demand that I insult Hillary or Bernie a few more times to make this listicle fair

23. Every has-been celebrity who emerged from obscurity just to destroy our childhood with their candidate endorsement

24. Every person who has guessed at my political affiliation from a single tweet and proceeded to lecture me on why that assumed affiliation is wrong

25. Every joke every candidate has tried to make

26. Every person who says that we have to respect the beliefs of racist, hate-filled Trump followers

27. Every person who has used “illegals” in their political posts when referring to living, breathing human beings

28. Every transphobic “bathroom bill”

29. Everybody who has ever used the phrase “American values” without irony

30. Every white dude who thinks that his support of Bernie is a civil rights revolution

31. That time I felt like I had to defend Megyn Kelly

32. Every person on Twitter who thinks they can annoy you into supporting their candidate

33. Bill Clinton

Ijeoma Oluo is the Editor-At-Large of The Establishment. A Seattle-based Writer, Speaker, and Internet Yeller, her work has appeared in The Guardian, The Stranger, New York Magazine, Huffington Post, and more. She was named one of the Most Influential People in Seattle by Seattle Magazine. She's also a columnist at The Seattle Globalist.

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33 Things I Hate About This Election, in No Particular Order (Original Post) marble falls Apr 2016 OP
LOL! apnu Apr 2016 #1
Amen. PoliticalMalcontent Apr 2016 #2
Sounds like you may sit this election out. B Calm Apr 2016 #3
Absolutely not. For four reasons, in no particular order: marble falls Apr 2016 #5
Nice to hear Cary Apr 2016 #14
All of the above (esp. #15) lapislzi Apr 2016 #4
Seriously? oberliner Apr 2016 #7
Get over yourself. lapislzi Apr 2016 #13
Huh? oberliner Apr 2016 #15
Frankly, it's because I really don't want to talk about it. lapislzi Apr 2016 #24
Ok, fair enough oberliner Apr 2016 #26
So - don't click. Or just leave a thread. djean111 Apr 2016 #27
Or you could respect this person's decision to click for whatever reason that may have been. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #30
Has nothing to do with their decision to click, and everything to do with their displeasure that djean111 Apr 2016 #33
DU is different lapislzi Apr 2016 #41
Certainly sounds a very reasonable request to me. I agree with your right to privacy. marble falls Apr 2016 #46
It's called "hyperbole" Act_of_Reparation Apr 2016 #42
But what is wrong with asking about the election? oberliner Apr 2016 #45
Seriously? I'm tired of all the shrill and uncivil partisans of both Hillary and Bernie ... marble falls Apr 2016 #47
I like hearing from other people on the election oberliner Apr 2016 #50
Spend ten minutes alone in a room with my mother-in-law and you'll understand. n/t Act_of_Reparation Apr 2016 #49
Don't let the rabble affect you Cary Apr 2016 #16
She wants to stab people in the eye with a fork just for asking about the election? oberliner Apr 2016 #6
I think you take this tooooo seriously. marble falls Apr 2016 #8
That one just jumped out at me as being needlessly violent oberliner Apr 2016 #10
Right. Cary Apr 2016 #17
Don't we want people to be talking about the election? oberliner Apr 2016 #22
They're not asking about the election, they're seizing the floor to start pontificating on it. Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2016 #21
Got it oberliner Apr 2016 #25
I think she meant Spork, not Fork...Little less damaging snooper2 Apr 2016 #52
My main problem with this election is that there are no messages of hope this year. liberalnarb Apr 2016 #9
"America has never stopped being great" oberliner Apr 2016 #12
And it's true. Cary Apr 2016 #18
no... it's not MidwestTech Apr 2016 #37
That's kind of a feel good, BS message IMO. mnhtnbb Apr 2016 #19
Maybe, but the other poster was saying there were no messages of hope oberliner Apr 2016 #23
The message of hope would be to acknowledge how far the US has fallen mnhtnbb Apr 2016 #29
I don't think there is anything to be optimistic about. alarimer Apr 2016 #34
Ijeoma seems to have a problem whathehell Apr 2016 #11
It seems to me Jeoma made a good faith effort Cary Apr 2016 #20
Lol, how old is Ijeoma? whathehell Apr 2016 #28
Let it roll, lol Kittycat Apr 2016 #32
31. Megan kelly Kittycat Apr 2016 #31
Interesting list... HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #35
Really? ejbr Apr 2016 #40
.... HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #44
34. When people list their pet peeves while ignoring the actual issues. nt JEB Apr 2016 #36
Jebus Chrisp, who's average supporter in even the DP isn't ignoring certain issues .... marble falls Apr 2016 #48
I take offense to some of these, ejbr Apr 2016 #38
34. posts like these. AlbertCat Apr 2016 #39
LOL @ #22 (nt) TacoD Apr 2016 #43
... BSers use “whore” in the pejorative ... rock Apr 2016 #51

marble falls

(58,669 posts)
5. Absolutely not. For four reasons, in no particular order:
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:44 AM
Apr 2016

1. I support Bernie all the way to Philly.
2. I support Hillary if Bernie doesn't make it past Philly.
3. The platform is important and I believe Bernie has drawn a lot of issues out that most voters will support even if Hillary and the DNC don't at this moment.
4. The Congressional elections are too important to ignore even if I didn't support any of the Presidential candidates.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
14. Nice to hear
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:08 AM
Apr 2016

I have nothing against Bernie Sanders and have unequivocally said I would support home 100% were he the nominee. We have 2 great candidates.

But I must say that strident Sanders supporters have been atrocious. It is good to see posts like yours from more sober Democrats.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. Seriously?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:51 AM
Apr 2016

Why do you want to stab people in the eye with a fork just for asking about the election?

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
13. Get over yourself.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:07 AM
Apr 2016

Because no one's ever said, "just shoot me" or "I wish I could punch Ted Cruz in the face" in a joking manner. Because joking remarks about feeling irritable are always to be taken as literal truth or intention.

Yes, I go around with a sharpened fork in my purse in case someone asks me an annoying question. Amazing I haven't been arrested yet.

Next question?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
15. Huh?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:09 AM
Apr 2016

I just was taken aback at the violent nature of that particular sentiment. I also don't get why someone asking about the election would elicit such an angry reaction.

Why does it annoy you when someone asks about the election? It seems like that would be a positive thing.

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
24. Frankly, it's because I really don't want to talk about it.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:29 AM
Apr 2016

Or, to be clear, I don't want to talk about my own views. I'm always happy to assist anyone who wants information about registering to vote or anything like that. I've helped in voter registration drives, driving people to the polls, and other party business.

I'm also happy to direct people to factual material so people can make up their own minds.

But, I really don't want to be drawn into a discussion that winds up with me having to reveal who I'm voting for or why. And I definitely don't want to be drawn into a discussion that I know beforehand is going to devolve into a racist rant or some conspiracy theory from the other person (because I've been down this road before with him or her). I'm also tired of people assuming they know how I plan to vote based on what I've said in the past.

I learned a long time ago that secret ballots are secret for a reason.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
27. So - don't click. Or just leave a thread.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:32 AM
Apr 2016

This is a message board where we discuss stuff. Your participation, like everybody's, is completely optional.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
33. Has nothing to do with their decision to click, and everything to do with their displeasure that
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:57 AM
Apr 2016

others are posting things they do not wish to see or respond to.

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
41. DU is different
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:26 AM
Apr 2016

I can be reasonably sure that most people here (in GD, anyway) are not going to try to engage me in an exercise that's so anathema to my own views that it's going to leave me exhausted and frustrated. I've stayed out of the the GD rimaries forum for that very reason.

I've found a lot of peace of mind deleting people from Face Book and using the Ignore feature.

If I'm participating in a discussion (as I am now), it means I find value in it. There's no value in me expressing my preference for a candidate and having to listen to diatribe about how said person is a liar, communist, "shrill," misogynistic, or whatever. I've heard it all.

Donald Trump is a buffoon. Ted Cruz is a dangerous ideologue. John Kasich is a wolf in wolf's clothing. Nothing more to be said. I'm voting Democratic in November.

Peace to all.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
45. But what is wrong with asking about the election?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:03 PM
Apr 2016

Why would that lead to such a negative and/or angry reaction?

marble falls

(58,669 posts)
47. Seriously? I'm tired of all the shrill and uncivil partisans of both Hillary and Bernie ...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:34 PM
Apr 2016

I really do not want to hears the average person's unsolicited opinion on Trump or Cruz or Clinton or Sanders. I think its a crying shame how behavior has devolved on the part of Democrats. I have come to expect it from the GOP. But us, too?!?!?!?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
50. I like hearing from other people on the election
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:42 PM
Apr 2016

I'm always curious to know where folks are coming from. That's part of why I am so actively engaged on DU.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
6. She wants to stab people in the eye with a fork just for asking about the election?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:50 AM
Apr 2016

That seems a bit unhinged.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
10. That one just jumped out at me as being needlessly violent
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:02 AM
Apr 2016

I get that the list is tongue in cheek to some extent, but why be hostile to someone (to the point of violent fantasies) who just asks about the election?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
22. Don't we want people to be talking about the election?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:27 AM
Apr 2016

Isn't that the point of being politically active? I am not indignant. I am just asking why someone asking about the election would give someone else the urge to stab that person in the eye with a fork.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,847 posts)
21. They're not asking about the election, they're seizing the floor to start pontificating on it.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:17 AM
Apr 2016

A nice dinner ruined because Uncle Blowhard feels everyone is entitled to HIS opinion.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
25. Got it
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:29 AM
Apr 2016

I didn't really get that implication. Personally, I think the more we get people talking about the election, the better.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
9. My main problem with this election is that there are no messages of hope this year.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:01 AM
Apr 2016

As much as I love Bernie, none of the candidates are optimistic about America like they were before. Instead of "I have never been more hopeful about America." what we here from candidates on both sides is "We're fucked unless you elect me!"

MidwestTech

(170 posts)
37. no... it's not
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:14 AM
Apr 2016

we haven't been "great" for about 30 years.
We certainly aren't now.
Name one, ONE POSITIVE thing the US is number 1 in on any metric that matters to quality of life, economically, etc.
We've fallen behind because government stopped doing it's job... taking care of it's citizens.

mnhtnbb

(31,503 posts)
19. That's kind of a feel good, BS message IMO.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:13 AM
Apr 2016

No matter what type of "list" you look at--from education to civil rights to children living in poverty to health care to income inequality and on and on...
the US comes in way behind many other western industrialized countries.

I don't think it's true and I don't know whether we change it unless we really turn around who gets and wields power in this country.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
23. Maybe, but the other poster was saying there were no messages of hope
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:28 AM
Apr 2016

Even if you think it is BS, she is trying to present a message of hope there.

mnhtnbb

(31,503 posts)
29. The message of hope would be to acknowledge how far the US has fallen
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:37 AM
Apr 2016

on so many measures of once greatness, and then propose plans for improvement.

But that would require support for getting money out of the election process and limiting the gazillions
spent lobbying Congress.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
34. I don't think there is anything to be optimistic about.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:03 AM
Apr 2016

A lot of people are not experiencing anything of the economic recovery.

Add to the fact that, despite empty promises of "hope" and "change", nothing ever seems to change.

whathehell

(29,168 posts)
11. Ijeoma seems to have a problem
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:06 AM
Apr 2016

with white people...The legitimacy of any viewpoint held by one, is, in her view, diminished if not demolished, by their skin tone.

Perhaps we should no longer have views, or at least the temerity to state them.

All I can tell Ijeoma is "good luck" electing Democrats without white women.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
20. It seems to me Jeoma made a good faith effort
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:16 AM
Apr 2016

To irritate everyone.

It seems to me she thought we all needed it and while I am irritated I think she's right.

whathehell

(29,168 posts)
28. Lol, how old is Ijeoma?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:33 AM
Apr 2016

If she's hot in Seattle, I'm betting she's on the very sunny side of 30......You may need to be irritated by Twenty somethings, Cary, at Sixty Something, I'll pass.


 

HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
35. Interesting list...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:03 AM
Apr 2016

Although I don't quite get the big deal about Hillary and hot sauce. She's been a collector for years....

The ironic part is that she’s actually telling the truth. Clinton actually does carry Tabasco sauce and red pepper flakes in her purse wherever she goes. What’s more — when she was First Lady, Clinton reportedly kept the White House pantry stocked with more than 100 bottles of hot sauce at all times.


So she's a fan of hot sauce, what's the big deal ~



MSNBC did a little blurb about it a few days ago....

marble falls

(58,669 posts)
48. Jebus Chrisp, who's average supporter in even the DP isn't ignoring certain issues ....
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:41 PM
Apr 2016

Doesn't the concept of Hillary Clinton wooing Bernie Sanders supporters and visa versa require both groups in both instances to ignore a certain amount actual stands on issues?

rock

(13,218 posts)
51. ... BSers use “whore” in the pejorative ...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:58 PM
Apr 2016

Made me laugh as I thought, oh, yeah, not the good way! OK, I'll try to get through the list once my eyes clear.

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